Russia And Venezuela Cooperate On Military Exercise, Mounting Tensions With The US

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VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV | September 8, 2008 11:30 AM EST | AP

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MOSCOW — Russia said Monday it will send a naval squadron and long-range patrol planes to Venezuela this year for a joint military exercise in the Caribbean, an announcement made at a time of increasingly tense relations with the United States.

The apparently retaliatory move follows the U.S. deployment of warships to deliver aid to the former Soviet nation of Georgia, barely a month after Russian armor and aircraft crushed the Georgian military in a five-day war.

Russia's Foreign Ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko insisted Monday that Russia's decision to send the squadron and planes to Venezuela was made before Russia's war with Georgia.

"This deployment had been planned in advance, and it's unrelated to the current political situation and the developments in the Caucasus," Nesterenko said at a briefing.

But the announcement was made just a week after Prime Minister Vladimir Putin warned that Russia would mount an unspecified response to recent U.S. aid shipments to Georgia.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, an unbridled critic of American foreign policy, was specific and blunt Sunday night about the possibility the U.S. might be concerned about the exercises.

"Go ahead and squeal, Yankees," Chavez said in a national broadcast in which he announced the exercises.

Nesterenko said the Peter the Great missile cruiser and three other Russian navy ships would visit Venezuela before the year's end, and would be joined by a unit of long-range anti-submarine patrol aircraft.

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He did not say how many planes would be sent, but said they would be "temporarily based at one of Venezuela's air bases."

Nesterenko did not name the type of planes that would be deployed to Venezuela. Russia has two such planes: the Tu-142, which is an anti-submarine version of the Tu-95 Bear strategic bomber, and the smaller Il-38.

Chavez said the Russian vessels would call on Venezuelan ports in late November or December.

The Venezuelan leader, who has cultivated close ties with Moscow and placed big orders for Russian jets, helicopters and other weapons, has repeatedly warned that the U.S. Navy poses a threat to Venezuela.

Diplomatic relations between Caracas and Washington have been tense for years. U.S. officials have said Chavez poses a threat to democracy, and Chavez has emerged as Latin America's most outspoken critic of U.S. foreign policy.

Nesterenko said the joint exercise would not be directed against any third country.

But the Interfax news agency quoted Vyacheslav Nikonov, a pro-Kremlin political analyst, as saying that the Russian cruise to Venezuela was a response to the deployment of U.S. Navy ships to Georgia's Black Sea coast.

"That shows that Moscow won't leave such challenges unanswered," Nikonov was quoted by Interfax as saying.

Russian officials said past U.S. military assistance for Georgia had encouraged the Caucasus country to launch its offensive in South Ossetia, and argued that the new shipments could be a cover for weapons deliveries.

U.S. officials have dismissed those accusations, saying the ships are carrying only humanitarian supplies such as blankets and powdered milk.

Putin last week warned that Russia would respond to the U.S. aid shipments to Georgia, but he did not say how.

"We don't understand what American ships are doing on the Georgian shores, but this is a question of taste, it's a decision by our American colleagues," Putin said. "The second question is why the humanitarian aid is being delivered on naval vessels armed with the newest rocket systems."

Russia's reaction to the U.S. deployment to the Black Sea "will be calm, without any sort of hysteria. But of course, there will be an answer," Putin said.

MOSCOW — Russia said Monday it will send a naval squadron and long-range patrol planes to Venezuela this year for a joint military exercise in the Caribbean, an announcement made at a time of in...
MOSCOW — Russia said Monday it will send a naval squadron and long-range patrol planes to Venezuela this year for a joint military exercise in the Caribbean, an announcement made at a time of in...
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- Ulysses9 I'm a Fan of Ulysses9 2 fans permalink

In America, we here is a word for someone like Mr. Chavez. It's "dork".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 09/10/2008

This page has already been posted, please wait for moderation? THE SAME MESSAGE FOR THE LAST 2 DAYS? What's the moderator doing? Sleeping on the job. Get some sleep at home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 09/10/2008

I would like to thank Mr. Putin and Mr. Chavez for staying sharp and maintaining a healthy functioning military becuase the way things are going in America I may need you to defend my freedom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 09/09/2008
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A balance of power... Yin-Yang... Diplomacy... Wow, it's the 80's !!! Thanks Vladmir :) I'm dusting off my Van Halen Albums and slipping into a Perrier and lime!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 09/09/2008
- NURREDIN I'm a Fan of NURREDIN 13 fans permalink
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Are the Chinese going to loan us money to fight the Russians, and the Venezuelans, and the Iranians? George blew our treasure in Iraq, we have a resurgent Taliban, a pro-Taliban/Al Qaeda president in Pakistan (contrary to American opinion, he and his murdered wife gave the Taliban their start), a Russian reactor going online in Iran, joint Russian/Venezuelan manuevers and no money to stop any of it. All we have left is an aging nuclear arsenal, and who are we gonna sling those at? If we don't do something to bolster the middle class, there won't be any tax base to rebuild our military or our domestic infrastructure. And there are Idiots who still think McCain is the answer? 95% of the world are boycotting our products.The Russians are pulling pure cash from Western Europe for oil and natural gas.The Venezuelans can sell more oil than they can pump to the Chinese and the Indians(the #5 auto producer in the world).The Saudis just announced they're slowing production to raise the price.Better start building those bomb shelters again. A lot of you who are laughing at the Russians and the Venezuelans need to get out more. They don't have to fire a shot to destroy us. Just keep selling and refuse to buy.That's what happened to the Greeks, the Romans, the British,and now us. When you piss people off, they don't buy your products.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 09/08/2008
- Marichu I'm a Fan of Marichu 16 fans permalink
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Diplomatically, it may not have been the best move by the US when it sent those naval ships to Georgia with humanitarian aid. That, on top of the fancy defense missile system the US wants to install in Poland and a radar station in the Czech Republic, have really stirred up a hornets nest with the Russians. It made them lose face and appear impotent when it was once a superpower. This was their counter move, joint naval maneuvers with a country the US has icy relations and whose president likes to thumb his nose at the US. Chavez is a windbag with poor to no diplomatic skills. Hmmmm . . . sounds familiar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 09/08/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 144 fans permalink

I think it is the USA that is losing face and being humiliated.

There is nothing Bush or Condi can do to affect the Russians one way or the other.

All they can do is sit on the side lines and bluster threats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 09/09/2008
- Marichu I'm a Fan of Marichu 16 fans permalink
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Durango
“There is nothing B u sh or C on di can do to affect the Russians one way or the other.”

Sure there is. We will do the same thing we did during the Cold War, use surrogates to try to neutralize whatever move the Russians made. It’s all a game of one upmanship. I guess that’s better than all out warfare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 09/09/2008
- Blutus I'm a Fan of Blutus 11 fans permalink

Russia is the bluster Sparky.

Because we can still do what we have been able to do for 50 years:
blow Russia to the moon. And they know it.

Vlad is dancing. Because when he stops, we win.

And he knows it.

And Chavez??? The Boy Scouts can stomp Venezuela. Into the ground.


America haters are such sad people. So disappointed.

And where is that little North Korean dude that was such a threat last year?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 09/09/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

P-Q4
The game has begun---- it's a Queens Pawn Game; a difficult game, a strategic game.
Base in Venezuela ?; maybe.
A return to the old Soviet Sub Base in Cienfuegos, Cuba ?; perhaps.
It should be interesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 09/08/2008

test test test

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 09/08/2008

The Bush adminstration: all the S**t parts of the Nixon and Reagan administration (imperial presidency, the laughable curve) but without their foreign policy wisdom = the US is f****d for god knows how many decades to come. Who would have thunk it? The streamlined, ceo presidency did take decisive steps with an unprecedented quickness... into a minefield. The suppression of dissent produced policy authored by a confederacy of dunces....

it would almost be worth it if we had learned anything from this...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 09/08/2008

McCain is up by ten points in the polls today, if that is worth anything. Thought I would help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 09/09/2008
- chewie2008 I'm a Fan of chewie2008 14 fans permalink
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Buck.....come back and save the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijQ8m9citaQ

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 09/08/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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For those of you interested in (real) Cold War history:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/3755686.stm

Part-2

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/3951615.stm

For those of you who can't read and/or opposed to critical thought, Hannity is on in 15...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 09/08/2008
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It's interesting that you chose an foreign, liberal and anti-American news source for your information source for American/Russian history. Not much surprise there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 09/08/2008
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Considering American news, is not news but editorial, or just plain ourtright lies, it's no wonder people use foreign news service as their links.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 09/08/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 144 fans permalink

Yeah BBC.

Now there is a news source Americans can criticize.

Get a life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 09/08/2008

Yes isn't it interesting that Americans have to look to foreign news agencies to avoid the propaganda of it's own establishment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 09/09/2008
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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It's just like that old saying, "what goes around, comes around". We start messing around in Russia's backyard, so here they come messing around in ours. Won't be long before they are holding excersizes with Mexico, and stealing secrets via the unimpeded illegal border crossers and drug runners. Pretty soon they'll have intel runners. ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 09/08/2008
- Erdgeist I'm a Fan of Erdgeist 83 fans permalink
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It is called blow-back. America had the chance to have a long lasting peace with Russia instead Bush blew it by hostilely deploying anti-ballistic missiles against Russia, essentially starting another Cold War.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 09/08/2008
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Blow-back indeed. Russia has been bragging for several years now that they have devised a missile system that will penetrate our anti-ballistic missile systems and those of our allies. Do you understand that? ANTI-BALLISTIC MISSILE SYSTEM.
They have been defying us and their neighbors to defend against them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 09/08/2008
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It's called the Topol. Solid fuel. Hardened against nuclear and pulse energy weapons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 09/08/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Defend against THEM? You've been watching too many 80s action movies again. They have sling-shots to our machine-guns. I guess it's easier to jack the MIC for a new Bogeyman than it is addressing real problems in the world but, then again, Neocons and their "fellows" were never well known for their intellect (i.e. Iraq War)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 09/08/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 144 fans permalink

Huh? You seem to be under delusions.

The USA abrogated the Anti ballistic Missile Treaty. Negotiated by Nixon, if I am not mistaken.

That was an incredible provocation on the part of Bush since an Anti Missile system is an OFFENSIVE weapon.

Which BTW, doesn't work. Nor will it.

All the Russians have to do is launch 10 decoys for every missile. The ABM's will fail. But that wouldn't be necessary because the SYSTEM DOESN"T WORK!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 09/09/2008
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"essentially starting another Cold War." - Erdgeist

Yes, and the west is still using the antique Trident while the Soviets have the Topol. Not a good time for a cold war. Mutually assured destruction is no longer mutual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 09/08/2008
- Horst I'm a Fan of Horst 24 fans permalink

Russia has felt humiliated since the fall of the Soviet Union. They couldn't care less about Bush and America at this point. They want to take over the buffer states...Georgia was just a test case before they go after Ukarine. Europe has assumed the supine cockroach position as usual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 09/08/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

Psst, psst, they never left the west-facing near abroad states nor Central Asia; they're part of the old Russian Empire. Others at other times have tried to take them away from them, hasn't worked.
The WW2 spoil states were let go to bring them Euros, as they now have to pay for all their energy needs ( before they were getting it for free ).
Not a bad deal, don't you think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 09/09/2008

COLD TO HOT WAR!

Due to the current developments in the Caucasus, former Soviet Republic of Georgia, and to show that Moscow won’t leave any challenges unanswered, Foreign Ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko and the Russian Deputy Chief of Staff Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, has approved the sale of advanced Soviet Russian weaponry to Iran, selling their best anti-aircraft systems the sophisticated SAM-300 anti-aircraft missiles to Iran making Iran virtually invulnerable to attack from Israel or the US. And, let us not forget much closer problems to Israel then Iran, like Hamas and Hezbollah And, the placement of task force to a naval base in Syria with an aircraft carrier and subs to the Mediterranean, all the better to bollix up US strategy in the Middle East. And, the sale of Soviet jets, helicopters and other weapons to Venezuela in the response to the threat the (US/MIC) United States Military Complex Navy poses to Venezuela.

And a deployment of a naval squadron, comprised of the Soviet Russian missile cruiser, Peter the Great and three other Russian navy ships will hold joint military exercises in the Caribbean with Venezuela before the year's end, and would be joined by a unit of long-range anti-submarine patrol aircraft, along with the basing of (Tu-142) anti-submarine aircraft, (Tu-95) Bear strategic and smaller (Il-38) bomber’s, at one of Venezuela’s air bases.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 09/08/2008
- Horst I'm a Fan of Horst 24 fans permalink

Venezuela's inflation rate is the highest in South America (and that's saying something)...it will eventually take care of Chavez. No need to get excited....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 09/08/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Nice 1/4 truth there, Limbaugh. You left out that his form of government is preferred 5 to 1 over Neoliberalism (Western Capitalism) by the Venezuelan people.

Besideds, at this pace, the Republicans will collapse our economy/nation long before Chavez will be in trouble (by February, at the latest)

VIva Socialism!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 09/08/2008
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That's an absurd remark.
Chavez was recalled and the election considered internationally, a fraud.
I love the ridiculous hypocrisy of you guys! When were you planning on leaving? I'm sure there's a shack in Cuba you'd be very comfortable in. LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 09/08/2008
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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Is that why they are still paying 12-14 cents a gallon for gas? Heck, send some of that inflation up here to the USA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 09/08/2008
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They pay so little for gasoline because there are less morons refusing to permit drilling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 09/08/2008

2008 and this is the crap we gotta listen to..in a way i don't blame them the USA has been bullying countries around for the last 8 years remember your either with us or against us.. great comment dubya

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 09/08/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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We the people let Bush bully the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 09/08/2008
- AABrownA I'm a Fan of AABrownA 3 fans permalink

Please don't say we the people! Nine people or rather five of nine people put Mr. Bush in office in 2000 (reference "Takeover" by Charlie Savage) and "people" that vote on one or at most two issues put him in office in 2004. Nonetheless, I understand what you mean, but it is starting to seem like we the "people" are being fooled again! Stay tuned, part 3 may be coming on November 5.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 09/08/2008
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