Russia And Venezuela Cooperate On Military Exercise, Mounting Tensions With The US

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VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV | September 8, 2008 11:30 AM EST | AP

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MOSCOW — Russia said Monday it will send a naval squadron and long-range patrol planes to Venezuela this year for a joint military exercise in the Caribbean, an announcement made at a time of increasingly tense relations with the United States.

The apparently retaliatory move follows the U.S. deployment of warships to deliver aid to the former Soviet nation of Georgia, barely a month after Russian armor and aircraft crushed the Georgian military in a five-day war.

Russia's Foreign Ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko insisted Monday that Russia's decision to send the squadron and planes to Venezuela was made before Russia's war with Georgia.

"This deployment had been planned in advance, and it's unrelated to the current political situation and the developments in the Caucasus," Nesterenko said at a briefing.

But the announcement was made just a week after Prime Minister Vladimir Putin warned that Russia would mount an unspecified response to recent U.S. aid shipments to Georgia.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, an unbridled critic of American foreign policy, was specific and blunt Sunday night about the possibility the U.S. might be concerned about the exercises.

"Go ahead and squeal, Yankees," Chavez said in a national broadcast in which he announced the exercises.

Nesterenko said the Peter the Great missile cruiser and three other Russian navy ships would visit Venezuela before the year's end, and would be joined by a unit of long-range anti-submarine patrol aircraft.

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He did not say how many planes would be sent, but said they would be "temporarily based at one of Venezuela's air bases."

Nesterenko did not name the type of planes that would be deployed to Venezuela. Russia has two such planes: the Tu-142, which is an anti-submarine version of the Tu-95 Bear strategic bomber, and the smaller Il-38.

Chavez said the Russian vessels would call on Venezuelan ports in late November or December.

The Venezuelan leader, who has cultivated close ties with Moscow and placed big orders for Russian jets, helicopters and other weapons, has repeatedly warned that the U.S. Navy poses a threat to Venezuela.

Diplomatic relations between Caracas and Washington have been tense for years. U.S. officials have said Chavez poses a threat to democracy, and Chavez has emerged as Latin America's most outspoken critic of U.S. foreign policy.

Nesterenko said the joint exercise would not be directed against any third country.

But the Interfax news agency quoted Vyacheslav Nikonov, a pro-Kremlin political analyst, as saying that the Russian cruise to Venezuela was a response to the deployment of U.S. Navy ships to Georgia's Black Sea coast.

"That shows that Moscow won't leave such challenges unanswered," Nikonov was quoted by Interfax as saying.

Russian officials said past U.S. military assistance for Georgia had encouraged the Caucasus country to launch its offensive in South Ossetia, and argued that the new shipments could be a cover for weapons deliveries.

U.S. officials have dismissed those accusations, saying the ships are carrying only humanitarian supplies such as blankets and powdered milk.

Putin last week warned that Russia would respond to the U.S. aid shipments to Georgia, but he did not say how.

"We don't understand what American ships are doing on the Georgian shores, but this is a question of taste, it's a decision by our American colleagues," Putin said. "The second question is why the humanitarian aid is being delivered on naval vessels armed with the newest rocket systems."

Russia's reaction to the U.S. deployment to the Black Sea "will be calm, without any sort of hysteria. But of course, there will be an answer," Putin said.

MOSCOW — Russia said Monday it will send a naval squadron and long-range patrol planes to Venezuela this year for a joint military exercise in the Caribbean, an announcement made at a time of in...
MOSCOW — Russia said Monday it will send a naval squadron and long-range patrol planes to Venezuela this year for a joint military exercise in the Caribbean, an announcement made at a time of in...
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All you evangelists and other Republican apologists..do you really want to see the "pit bull in lipstick" trying to enforce the Truman Doctorate? Do you honestly believe deep in your hearts that she could tell you what the Truman Doctorate is without first being briefed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 09/08/2008

Truman Doctrine, I meant the Truman Doctrine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 09/08/2008
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Yes. And nothing to apologize for.
Though, you ought to think about apologizing for the unrelenting personal attacks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 09/08/2008

ha! She didn't even bothered with the war in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 09/08/2008
- wndrwrthg I'm a Fan of wndrwrthg 39 fans permalink
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Really? You mean like the personal attacks in her convention speech? You reap what you sow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 09/08/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

personal attacks... excuse me.. is she a bit Uppity for person a with a "C" average?

Dont worry about science, they bring the dead back to life by the laying of hands on at her church. Hmm, are healthcare problems solved!

Oh,Oh, I feel a wave coming over me now! My body is shaking... Oh, Oh..


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 09/08/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 284 fans permalink
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"Truman Doctorate (sic)"

lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 09/08/2008
- Horst I'm a Fan of Horst 24 fans permalink

These guys are beyond stupid...lol


Truman Doctorate...haberdashery?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 09/08/2008
- milo9 I'm a Fan of milo9 11 fans permalink
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I don't envy Obama, in the event he wins, because sooner or later he'll have to deal with this fool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 09/08/2008

Here we go again.

Cold War 2.0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 09/08/2008

I always laugh so hard at the people freaking out over stupid things like this

Russian has thousands of nuclear missiles pointed at us right now, and you crap your pants over a couple of low scale training sessions

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 09/08/2008
- Horst I'm a Fan of Horst 24 fans permalink

Venezuelan Navy has two submarines...both in the shop (true).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 09/08/2008
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As long as they stay there, the crews are safe.
With Russian tutelage, the subs are liable to submerge and not surface again.
It's a big world and the US would be best to ignore this little charade.
What will they do---- sell their oil to each other?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 09/08/2008
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I love to watch the fall of those who think of themselves so highly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 09/08/2008

Only takes ONE sub with a few nukes to fvck up the USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 09/08/2008
- Horst I'm a Fan of Horst 24 fans permalink

They're not boomers...just old diesel-fired antiques.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 09/08/2008
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The subs biggest and more probable threat to the US would be as white powder cargo carriers, not nukes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 09/08/2008

Now that Russia seems to be trading with Venezuela, they might sell Chaves a couple of spanking new ones armed with nukes. And given what we are doing in Poland, the price maybe just a few mangoes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 09/08/2008
- Horst I'm a Fan of Horst 24 fans permalink

You mean like the "water damaged" newly refurbished Kursk?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 09/08/2008

That maybe true of the Venezuelan navy and their vessels may be manned by motley crews and gangs that can't shoot straight but the Russians accomplished a lot with the Cubans who had a lot less.

Despite that, I see Russia posturing itself with the ferocity of a paper tiger. I believe that at worse, they will be a nuisance of a considerably lesser magnitude than the Soviet Union.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 09/08/2008
- Horst I'm a Fan of Horst 24 fans permalink

The Russian Navy will be very impressed with its Venezuelan counterpart....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 09/08/2008
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Weshould be outraged that the Russians are in Latin America.

Chavez is a totalitarian, proto-Stalisnists and he's allowing the Russians send an aircraft carrier into the Caribbean. This "pinche loco" is trying to reenact Cuban Missile Crisis tensions with the United States. Well, Russia is not longer the Soviet Union, they're worse; and Chavez is a self deluded, wannabe 60s revolutionary, ala Castro. He has no idea.

I'm sure the responses to this post will be any of the following: 1) Masochistic self- hatred, America bashing and how we deserved to "invaded" by the Russians for our incursions in Georgia and all over the world; 2) a Bush bashing riposte, even though our security is more important than who is president; 3) A "who cares" we're all going to hell-in-a-hand- basket and this will help us get there quicker; or 4) The Russians have and maintian the smae moral equivalence of American and Western European civilization values; or 5) A conspiracy laden, multi-babble of oil companies, multinationals, and the Pentagon.

Let's stop the Bear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 09/08/2008
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How!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 09/08/2008

"Weshould be outraged that the Russians are in Latin America."

Why, we own Latin America?? Don't they have a right to invite anyone they want into their own houses??

"incursions in Georgia ... moral equivalence ..."

Feeling a bit guilty aren't ya?? cause you know is true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 09/08/2008
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You forgot to mention.

Chavez is the democratically elected president of Venezuela.

By a substantial majority I might add.

A democratically elected Stalinist?

I think you have your insults confused.

P.S. No matter what happens. We will be buying our oil from Venezuela. they have it. We don't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 09/08/2008
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So was Saddam. By a greater majority than Chavez.
Ask the Shiite majority and Kurds how they felt about that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 09/08/2008
- joebiz I'm a Fan of joebiz 9 fans permalink

There you go again with your half-truths.

In 1992, Chavez launched a failed military coup de etat (if you don't know what that is, it's a forced overthrow of a democratically elected governement). It wasn't until Chavez decided to enter the elected political fray he won a majority. But among my accusations for Stalinist totalitarianism are as follows:

>He's nationalized countless industires (banks, steel manufacturers, cement) from foreign countries (Spain and Mexico) his "Latin brothers." These industries did not belong to him so he just takes them;

>He's proposed being an oligarch for life. He has, among other things, wanted to change the national constitution so he could get re-elected in 2012 (he's stepping down in 2013 after a failed civic referendum)

>In a relatively peaceful part of the world, Chavez arming himself with weapons from China, Iran, and Russia. Why does he need supersonic jets and missile systems?

> Chavez has described Israel as the new Hitler

>Chavez has crushed dissent from opposition parties and even from television stations.

As for oil. Venezuela is a member of OPEC and you already buy Venezuelan gasoline, it's called CITGO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 09/08/2008
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So as long as a fascist leader is democratically elected he's okay (with, of course, a substantial majority)?

BTW, Adolf Hitler was democratically elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 09/08/2008
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So as long as a fascist is democratically elected, it's okay (with, of course, a substantial majority)?

Chavez reminds me of another democratically elected leader. Circa 1930s. Germany. How what's his name...?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 09/08/2008
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but i just put air into my tires...how can we still need their oil?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 09/08/2008
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But I looked into Putin's eyes and I saw his soul.


Your right, its not the 60/70s. America was still making things. Had a huge Trade surplus/ Was 50 percent of the worlds GDP. The largest creditor nation in the world, not the largest debtor nation.

We spend more on military than the rest of the world combined.. and yet are stuck in a country of 22 million for 6 years.... The BEAR must be shaking in its boots!

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 09/08/2008
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 404 fans permalink
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Russia is WORSE than the Soviet Union? Huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 09/08/2008
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Great. Yet another reason to keep McTriggerfinger out of office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 09/08/2008

Any of you folks remember what happened when the USA put nukes in Turkey in the early 60's and Russian countered by putting nukes into Cuba?

Same thing here.

America started it with putting missiles into Poland. They want another war.

They can go to HELL.......and probably will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 09/08/2008
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Never mind that the Poles have distrusted the Russians since time immemorial, and for good reason too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 09/08/2008
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the missiles in poland are defensive and not offensive. why should russia care about defensive missiles unless they have plans for eastern europe? poland is not a threat to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 09/08/2008

I'm glad the Chimpanzee in Chief is enforcing the Monroe Doctrine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 09/08/2008
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Me too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 09/08/2008
- Horst I'm a Fan of Horst 24 fans permalink

You know, you Americans should have invaded Venezuela instead of Iraq. Both countries have lots of oil....but the Venezuelans love baseball more than suicide bombing. Old story of Yankee Go Home...but take me with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 09/08/2008

ziing! flew right over your head didn't it??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 09/08/2008
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How ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 09/09/2008
- Parisian I'm a Fan of Parisian 3 fans permalink

Think what you will of Chavez however he is the democratically elected President of Venezuela. When Chvez attempted to rewrite the Venezuelan constitution he was rejected in a referendum and he accepted the peoples results. Russia is now planning military "games" with Venezuela right in your front yard. Too bad. The USA has been instigating Russia for months now. This is the consequence of your actions--not Russia's. Unfortunately the USA now can only stamp its feel and cry. This is because you have lost all credibility. You made your bed now you must lie in it. The only way your country can redeem itself is to elect level headed leaders who will talk first instead of shooting first. The only way the USA can redeem its credibility around the entire world is to elect Obama President. If not I dread the consquences of what would be the most harmful deed the USA has ever done to the world by elected McCain President and his awful and scary Vice President Palin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 09/08/2008
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Parisian, Help us. Help. They are stealing elections here. It goes back to George Sr. Even Reagan was elected when the CIA got the new Iranian government to agree to hold the hostages until after the election which made Carter look bad. Kerry probably won Ohio. Look up Diebold. Look up Peter Soby. The media is not covering things fairly here. It is pure propaganda. Bush has been quoted talking about trying to get Iraq to attack us before we could go in. The corporations and old money are conspiring to steal the elections again. Obama's plane almost crashed. Start reporting these things in your media.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 09/08/2008
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Very good! I can understand why you would come to this site to commiserate with your spiritual and philosophical brethren.
However, don't kid yourself. If America wants any crap from you cheese eating, surrender monkeys, we'll scrap it off your lip.
Thanks anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 09/08/2008
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Tough little fella ain't ya. LMAO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 09/08/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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That's pretty tough talk there, little cowboy. The Flying Monkeys are getting virtually physical now - LOL. I'll bet you're a real scrapper.

(People who have actually been in fights have sense enough not to talk like that in the real world.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 09/08/2008
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Parisian, Help us. Help. They are stealing elections here. It goes back to George Sr. Even Reagan was elected when the CIA got the new Iranian government in exchange for arms to agree to hold the hostages until after the election which made Carter look bad. They were going to release them. Three times Carter told the American people when the hostages would be released. Kerry probably won Ohio. Look up Diebold. Look up Peter Soby. The media is not covering things fairly here. It is pure propaganda. Bush has been quoted talking about trying to get Iraq to attack us before we could go in. The corporations and old money are conspiring to steal the elections again. Obama's plane almost crashed. Start reporting these things in your media

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 09/08/2008
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Have a little cheese and take some deep breaths. You'll be OK in a minute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 09/08/2008

Well said froggy. my country ,the USA ,started this conflict by egging on georgia to slaughter ethnic russians in s .ossetia ,with a barrage of artillery that laid waste to property and people. Mccains top political advisors have business dealing with georgia that nobody in our sorry media questions him about this ethical dilemma .wake up stupid americans ,we cannot afford, fighting russia. i think ill have some french fries

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 09/08/2008
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Who are you kidding, you wouldn't fight if your sister was being beaten.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 09/08/2008
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Look up Peter Soby. There is something definitely wrong going on here. Exit pols are not agreeing. The hand counts are not agreeing. Americans are not that bad. The thieves in control are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 09/08/2008

america is not the big bully on the block...just like every empire..the inca, mayan. egyptian, ROMAN EMPIRE IT WILL COME CRASHING DOWN....you cant just be killing folks, invading countries, stealing resources from other countries, toturing people, racial injustince, murdering....eventually it will come crashing down..AMERICA NEEDS TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 09/08/2008
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Why we are not boycotting Citgo I will never know

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 09/08/2008

Perhaps because Citgo/chaves is distributing free heating oil to the poor here in the US, while Exxon is giving their CEO a $500 MILLION bonus check.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 09/08/2008

Why do you buy any gasoline? Iraq war was fought with and for US oil companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 09/08/2008
- ltva I'm a Fan of ltva 12 fans permalink

Call me crazy but do you think this has anything to do with the possibility that America may leaning toward putting two war-mongers in the white house. You heard what palin said at her speech and Mccain is still trying to get back at the world for what happened to him in Vietnam. The rest of the world is watching this election as closely as we are and they are getting ready to take aim at the U.S.
No other country is going to allow themselve to be invaded like we did Iraq. We americans have some serious questions to ask ourselves before 11/4 but unfortunately, the important stuff is being overshadowed by the 'new girl on the block'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 09/08/2008

Hugo and Vlad are opting out of the IMF, plain and simple. Of course the IMF controlled MSM
keeps us focused on red ties and blue ties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 09/08/2008
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