Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch: Wall Street awakes to 2 storied firms falling

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PATRICK RIZZO and JOE BEL BRUNO | September 15, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Elizabeth Rose, a specialist with Lehman Brothers MarketMakers, works her post on the trading floor of the New York Stock Exchange, Monday, Sept. 15, 2008. A stunning reshaping of the Wall Street landscape sent stocks down sharply Monday, but the pullback appeared relatively orderly _ perhaps because investors were unsurprised by the demise of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and relieved by a takeover of Merrill Lynch & Co. (AP Photo/David Karp)

NEW YORK — The upheaval in the American financial system sent shock waves through the stock market Monday, producing the worst day on Wall Street in seven years as investors digested the failure of one of its most venerable banks and wondered which domino would be next to fall.

The Dow Jones industrial average lost more than 500 points, more than 4 percent, its steepest point drop since the day the stock market reopened after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. About $700 billion evaporated from retirement plans, government pension funds and other investment portfolios.

The carnage capped a tumultuous 24 hours that redrew U.S. finance. Lehman Brothers, an investment bank that predates the Civil War and weathered the Great Depression, filed the largest bankruptcy in American history. A second storied bank, Merrill Lynch, fled into the arms of Bank of America.

It was by far the most stomach-churning single day since a financial crisis began to bubble up from billions of dollars in rotten mortgage loans that have crippled the balance sheets of one bank after another and landed mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under the control of the federal government.

"We are in the middle of a deep, dark recession, and it won't end soon. Here it is, and it is pretty nasty," said Barry Ritholtz, who writes the popular financial blog The Big Picture and is CEO of research firm FusionIQ.

And the fallout was far from over. American International Group, the world's largest insurer, was fighting for its very survival: New York Gov. David Paterson moved to allow the company to tap one of its subsidiaries for an emergency loan to stay above water.

"AIG still remains financially sound," Paterson said, even as the company's stock tumbled almost 60 percent. Almost $20 billion in AIG's shareholder value was wiped out Monday.

In Washington, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, who refused to toss a financial lifeline to Lehman, was unapologetic as the Bush administration signaled strongly that Wall Street shouldn't expect more rescues from Washington.

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The American people should remain confident in the "soundness and resilience in the American financial system," Paulson told reporters at the White House.

Six months ago, Paulson moved to prevent the collapse of Bear Stearns, brokering a deal for JP Morgan Chase & Co. to buy the firm at a fire-sale price with Federal Reserve backing. Earlier this month, he stepped in to help the government seize Fannie and Freddie in hopes of reversing the housing and credit crises.

But Monday, Paulson said he "never once" considered it appropriate to put taxpayer money at risk to resolve the problems at Lehman Brothers, which was saddled with $60 billion worth of soured real estate holdings.

The result was one of the most momentous days in Wall Street history since legendary banker J. Pierpont Morgan helped broker the rescue of financial markets during the Panic of 1907.

The Dow industrials dropped 504.48 points to close at 10,917.51, the first time since July they have finished under 11,000. It was the sixth-largest point drop ever and the worst since Sept. 17, 2001, when the average fell 684.81 points on the first day of trading after the terror attacks.

In percentage terms, the fall for the Dow on Monday was its worst since the summer of 2002. The index has shed nearly a quarter of its value since its record high last October.

Broader stock indicators also fell. The Standard & Poor's 500 index lost more than 4 1/2 percent, and the Nasdaq composite index lost more than 3 1/2 percent.

Financial stocks fell as investors worried about the strength of banks' balance sheets. Washington Mutual Inc. fell 27 percent to $2 a share, while Wachovia Corp. fell 25 percent to $10.71.

While Lehman Brothers was filing for Chapter 11 and AIG was scurrying to find financing to stay afloat, Merrill Lynch was avoiding a similar fate with a $50 billion transaction to become part of Bank of America Corp.

The deal would create a financial giant rivaling Citigroup Inc., the biggest U.S. bank in terms of assets. Bank of America has the most deposits of any U.S. bank, while Merrill Lynch is the world's largest and most widely recognized brokerage.

"It was an opportunity of a lifetime," said Ken Lewis, Bank of America's chairman and CEO.

Lewis made the announcement at a news conference where he was flanked by a smiling John Thain, Merrill's chief executive. The two put the deal together in 48 hours, while they were taking part in marathon discussions at the New York Federal Reserve over the weekend to save Lehman Brothers. Merrill stock rose a penny Monday.

One huge concern is that the Lehman bankruptcy will probably trigger even tighter credit _ making it more difficult for everyone from large companies to small businesses to American homebuyers to borrow money.

It was a dark day for Lehman workers, too. Many of them brought gym bags, shopping totes and Lehman travel bags to cart home personal files and pictures from their desks at the company's midtown Manhattan headquarters. Gawkers lined up behind metal barricades, and bystanders took pictures with their cell phones.

The failure of Lehman and probable job losses at Merrill are also a blow to the New York City economy, which is still trying to absorb a blow from shrunken tax revenues after the collapse of Bear Stearns in March. The city and its outlying suburbs rely heavily on taxes paid by workers in the financial services industry.

In marathon sessions Friday night, Saturday and Sunday, government officials and the chief executives of major U.S. and foreign banks huddled at the New York Fed's fortress-like building in downtown Manhattan, trying to work out a way to save Lehman.

They failed at that. But a group of 10 banks that includes JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs and Citigroup formed a $70 billion pool that banks or brokerages can tap to cover short-term funding needs.

There were also worries that Lehman's problems would infect other financial companies and spread to global stock markets, further harming the U.S. and global economies.

The Fed meets Tuesday to decide interest rate policy. It's widely expected to keep rates at 2 percent, but some economists believe it could lower them to soothe Wall Street's frazzled nerves.

The financial turbulence could also further derail consumer confidence in the economy just as stores prepare for the critical holiday shopping season. The upheaval in the financial system also means that those consumers with marginal credit history will have an even harder time getting loans, cutting into consumer spending.

"The backdrop even without this was tough. This certainly adds to the worry level," said Michael P. Niemira, chief economist at The International Council of Shopping Centers.

Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain assailed "greed and corruption" on Wall Street and promised to clean it up, while his Democratic opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, blamed White House policies and said his opponent would only deliver more of the same.

Obama called it "the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression." McCain declared in a new TV ad that "our economy is in crisis" and that only he and his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, could fix it. McCain also told voters in Jacksonville, Fla., "The fundamentals of our economy are strong."

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Associated Press writers Jeannine Aversa in Washington, Ieva M. Augstums in Charlotte, N.C., and Rachel Beck, Tim Paradis, Ellen Simon, Vinnee Tong and Stephen Bernard in New York contributed to this report.

NEW YORK — The upheaval in the American financial system sent shock waves through the stock market Monday, producing the worst day on Wall Street in seven years as investors digested the failure...
NEW YORK — The upheaval in the American financial system sent shock waves through the stock market Monday, producing the worst day on Wall Street in seven years as investors digested the failure...
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- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Can you believe the gall of McCain for trying to spin his "fundamentals of the economy" to mean he was referring to the "hard working American people"? Yet anyone who has taken Economics 101 understands that the "fundamentals" refer to the metrics that identify the underpinnings of our economy (i.e. GDP, unemployment, inflation, etc). THAT is what Bush, McCain, and all of the neoconservatives have been relying on for the past 7 years, and as these metrics slip into a downturn, McCain has to retool his message. Just as he had to retool his message to call himself a "reformer" in an attempt to divorce himself from the Republican party. Take away the spin and what do we have? Another neoconservative.

Watch the the second video in this link and tell me again that McCain is such a firm believer in the "American worker". It looks like disdain to me...

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/15/mccain-fundamental-workers/

And for a slight chuckle, take a gander at this but we can now replace Bush with McCain (one and the same):

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/politicalcartoons/ig/Political-Cartoons/Economic-Fundamentals.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 09/15/2008
- Revanchist I'm a Fan of Revanchist 3 fans permalink

Look Zo', some folks just don't want to believe their eyes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 09/15/2008
- jgalvan I'm a Fan of jgalvan 18 fans permalink
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Yes, like you going to believe me, or your lying eyes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 09/15/2008
- bigbenny I'm a Fan of bigbenny 43 fans permalink
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You've also got to wonder about how heartfelt the first vid is. It looks like he's reading the whole thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 09/15/2008
- Revanchist I'm a Fan of Revanchist 3 fans permalink

Now will you heed my cry for 'faith-based' financial markets?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 09/15/2008
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That is what they already are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 09/15/2008
- hexham I'm a Fan of hexham 9 fans permalink

psychology has always meant more than fundamentals. of course they play into each other, but we are under a cloud of mass psychology now, in the sense that we are on the other side of the coin of the same psychology of a couple of years ago, when people were saying that they expected their home values to go up 20% a year for ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 09/15/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

Revanchist

Now will you heed my cry for 'faith-based' financial markets?

In God we Trust?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 09/15/2008
- Jessegirl I'm a Fan of Jessegirl 49 fans permalink

The Mc Shame camp has just announced they find this whole economy se x i st.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 09/15/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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lol !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 09/15/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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Listen to sober speech from Biden :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ImuE0IVamk

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 09/15/2008
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You get 'em Joey the shark. Everyone needs to see this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 09/15/2008
- hexham I'm a Fan of hexham 9 fans permalink

listening to it right now as I type. this is awesome. send it to everyone you know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 09/15/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 62 fans permalink

Heard New York's Gov. Patterson discussing AIGs collapse on Fox today. He spoke fluently and intelligently with facts and figures at his fingertips contrasted with Obama's stammering glorious generalities. Obama has always seemed like a 'low information' candidate hence the relative lack of specifics for a year and a half. Is Obama generating all his policies or are others and he's just learned to speak about them kinda like the Cheney/Bush phenomenon?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 09/15/2008
- SCG2 I'm a Fan of SCG2 24 fans permalink

Go search Barack Obama's speech to the Detroit Economic Club almost two years ago.

He was speaking out about what's been going on years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 09/15/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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True, he has given specifics. But where Obama needs to STEP UP is relaying those specifics in a concise, packaged message and repeat it like a broken record at every stump, at every town hall, in every campaign ad he can put on the air.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 09/15/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 332 fans permalink
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Even a parrot can speak fluently and appear to be intelligent, if you teach him long enough (See S.a.r.a.h. .P.a.l.i.n.). I always prefer a thoughtfull generalist over a splendid specialist, when it comes down to running such an excessively complex office as that of the president of the USA .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 09/15/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 62 fans permalink

Boy. Do you rationalize Obama's weaknesses? When asked a question he's probably heard hundred times, he stammers like it's his first time answering it. "The Virgin Prince".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 09/15/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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You're right. We need more specifics from BOTH candidates. The American people deserve to know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 09/15/2008
- Jessegirl I'm a Fan of Jessegirl 49 fans permalink

It BOGGLES my mind when I hear Republicans wanting more of McSame pain.

Its got be a fetish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 09/15/2008
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LOL! S&R (sadism & republicanism) a new fetish category!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 09/15/2008
- danoj I'm a Fan of danoj 17 fans permalink

Because the only people buying the McSame thing are people who were never going to vote for him anyway. Haven't you guys figured out yet the McSame thing isn't selling with independents?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 09/15/2008

Except independent racists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 09/15/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

Jessegirl

It BOGGLES my mind when I hear Republicans wanting more of McSame pain.

Its got be a fetish.

Maybe they're masochists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 09/15/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 261 fans permalink
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I think they are SADISTS. cause WE are the ones feeling the pain, not the superrich.

they are administering it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 09/15/2008
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OK if you were on Wall Street tro// who would you rather donate to, the Republican Party which has destroyed the economy and flat lined the DJIA or the Democratic Party which has always been a boon for the DJIA since FDR?

This whole Wall Street invests more with the Democratic Party just shows they are as desperate for change as anyone.

The only thing that sustains economic growth in this country is job growth and the Rethuglicans have a miserable record. Here are the average job growth numbers for the last 14 presidents.

* (D) Roosevelt 5.3
* (D) Johnson 3.8
* (D) Carter 3.1
* (D) Truman 2.5
* (D) Clinton 2.4
* (D) K ennedy 2.3
* (R) Nixon 2.2
* (R) Reagan 2.1
* (R) Coolidge 1.1
* (R) Ford 1.1
* (R) Eisenhower 0.9
* (R) G. Bush 0.6
* (R) G.W. Bush -0.7
* (R) Hoover -9.0

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Data_on_Job_Creation_by_President
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 09/15/2008
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That Carter number looks suspicious given unemployment was over 7%, inflation was over 9% and mortage interest rates were over 15%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 09/15/2008
- ssgman I'm a Fan of ssgman 8 fans permalink
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They actually used different--and more realistic--metrics in Carter's day. Inflation and unemployment are currently far higher than stated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 09/15/2008

and who was the prez before carter!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 09/15/2008
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That's why I supplied links. The unemployment rate was high but that's when the rate was a real number. Actually since Bush the unemployement numbers have been fudged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 09/15/2008
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OK if you were on Wall Street tro// who would you rather donate to, the Republican Party which has destroyed the economy and flat lined the DJIA or the Democratic Party which has always been a boon for the DJIA since FDR?

This whole Wall Street invests more with the Democratic Party just shows they are as desperate for change as anyone.

The only thing that sustains economic growth in this country is job growth and the Rethuglicans have a miserable record. Here are the average job growth numbers for the last 14 presidents.

* (D) Roosevelt 5.3
* (D) Johnson 3.8
* (D) Carter 3.1
* (D) Truman 2.5
* (D) Clinton 2.4
* (D) Kennedy 2.3
* (R) Nixon 2.2
* (R) Reagan 2.1
* (R) Coolidge 1.1
* (R) Ford 1.1
* (R) Eisenhower 0.9
* (R) G. Bush 0.6
* (R) G.W. Bush -0.7
* (R) Hoover -9.0

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Data_on_Job_Creation_by_President
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 09/15/2008

Do you realize you're being manipulated? Take a step back from the giant headlines of one day for a moment, and look at your country. You live in one of the most economically prosperous nations on the planet. Even the poor on the streets are fat. The bigotries that remain here are small and subtle compared to those that have existed for eons. Your nation is powerful enough to conquer anyone, but would never attack a nation without at least offering a moral cause for such action, unlike many great powers of the past. It even works to rebuild the infrastructure it destroys in wars - an uncommon kindness to be sure!

The Democrats could have made a lot of different appeals to try and win this election. But for some reason, they've decided to pin their hopes to convincing you that you live in a terrible country with little hope, a nation with no compunctions about sticking it to the little guy to fill the coffers of the big - and all this, of course, because of Republicans. But it isn't true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 09/15/2008

I disagree - I think we are in more trouble than even the recent headlines suggest. People are not saving for retirement and most Americans do not have a pension from their jobs. Therefore, Social Security and the value of their homes is all folks have.

Now, think about the rapidly rising cost of heating (or cooling) your house, prescription drugs, health care, food and gas. Obama at least has discussed these issues and makes a strong argument that we should address them now and not wait until the crisis is upon us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 09/15/2008
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In addition – to the previous Breaking News

While McCain worked as a community organizer on the Southside of Chicago, he sold a jet belonging to state of Alaska on eBay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 09/15/2008
- jgalvan I'm a Fan of jgalvan 18 fans permalink
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I am waiting for that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 09/15/2008
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Any real Republican will place the blame squarely on FDR. They have spent the last 70 years trying to undo the reforms he put into place. Now that they have almost succeeded America can once again see why FDR did what he did for a more secure union at home, abroad and in times of war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 09/15/2008
- ssgman I'm a Fan of ssgman 8 fans permalink
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Exactly! They still are complaining about the New Deal! Once again they got what they wanted and once again, the economy responds accordingly. People gotta realize, these super rich, "no regulation" right wingers don't give a cr@p about the US or the economy or the "average American". All they care about is getting even more money even though they are already obscenely wealthy. They would prefer a feudalistic system where they are the lords and most everyone else are serfs, scrapping to get by, willing to do anything the lords want for a pittance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 09/15/2008
- DLB I'm a Fan of DLB 41 fans permalink
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No, the republicans will blame FDR for creating the New Deal, which the republicans have NEVER been able to undo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 09/15/2008
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*************VOTING REGISTRATION UPDATE--RNC D I RTY TRICKS***********

DONT GET DISTRACTED and lulled to sleep by somnambulistic bedtime stories of farm animals wearing cosmetics! The Repug D i r t y Tricks machine is in full gear! FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE!! In the "Purple" or "Battleground States", the RNC is leveling charges of "voter fraud" while busily COMMITTING ELECTION FRAUD THROUGH VOTER CAGING. Here's a link to a general primer on what that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caging_listg_list . Keep daily tabs on these F a s c i s t s' dastardly machinations here: http://velvetrevolution.us/ElectionStrikeForce/ and here http://www.bradblog.com. and listen to Air America! One example of attempted voter disenfranchisement: Camp McCain is sending absentee ballot apps to OBAMA supporters full of inaccurate information like the wrong address of the county clerk's office so that the ballot goes astray. Keep anything (inc. mailing envelopes!) rec'd for evidence for lawsuits.

The Repug CONS know that a massive turnout of Democratic voters will cause them to lose this election! URGE ALL DEMOCRATIC VOTERS TO RE-REGISTER RIGHT NOW as either INDEPENDENTS OR REPUBLICANS so that their names will be passed over in these purges-- Republicans WILL NOT PURGE the names of their own party's newly registered members or of INDEPENDENTS they expect to sway their way!

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*Note: RNC TR0LLS--Dont bother posting to s h o o t down this proposal! The louder your whine, the more we'll know this is our WINNING STRATEGY!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 09/15/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 332 fans permalink
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Why don't Democrats purge the refisters of Republicans, too?

I am just curious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 09/15/2008
- hexham I'm a Fan of hexham 9 fans permalink

I've advocated that people don't register Democrat, it puts a target on your ballot. Register either GOP or "decline to state". Heck, register Libertarian if you want to.

I have a theory that in the 04 Presidential election, many GOPers registered Dem early in Iowa so that they could help select the person they thought most beatable (Kerry in this case).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 09/15/2008

WATCH- orwell rolls in his grave (about the media)
hacking democracy (about electronic voting)

http://www.freedocumentaries.org/

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- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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AP reports:

"McCain cut off a question about the "Bridge to Nowhere," which Palin claims to have killed in Alaska even though Washington pulled back money for the project before she turned against it.

"The important thing is she's vetoed a half a billion dollars in earmark projects — far, far in excess of her predecessor and she's given money back to the taxpayers and she's cut their taxes, so I'm happy with her record," McCain said.

In addition to her current requests, state budget documents show Alaska requested 52 earmarks worth $256 million for 2008."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jqSrvKD0cyqbefXbnUu0sZbSv8qAD937C7SO2

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- chronic I'm a Fan of chronic 71 fans permalink
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BREAKING NEWS :



The Mc Cain / Pa lin campaign announces they are no longer "re publicans". They will announce later in details what they label themselves.



Stay tuned for further details!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 09/15/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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You're kidding, right ? Dunno what's what anymore - so c-r-a-z-y !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 09/15/2008
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I bet the new party is called the Moose Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 09/15/2008
- Forsetti I'm a Fan of Forsetti 69 fans permalink
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Or the Moose Stew Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 09/15/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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The Bullmoose Party?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 09/15/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

The Mc Cain / Pa lin campaign announces they are no longer "re publicans". They will announce later in details what they label themselves.

Stay tuned for further details!

Well it looks like they're pretty good at laundering money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 09/15/2008
- DLB I'm a Fan of DLB 41 fans permalink
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We conservatives are placing the blame on this economy where blame is due, the democrats. The economy took a serious downturn in the last two years. Now what happened two years ago? That's right, the democrats took control of congress. And what does our Constitution say about who regulates commerce? Congress regulates commerce!!!

This is a case where our government told businesses to loan money to people to buy homes that shouldn't have been loaned money to buy a car, let alone a house.

Obama: "Change" (he means implement the complete takeover of business by government) McCain: "Change" (he means reform government and make it less powerful)

Really a no-brainer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 09/15/2008
- Big0725 I'm a Fan of Big0725 23 fans permalink
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Wow. It sounds like the republicans are a bunch of WHINERS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 09/15/2008
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 196 fans permalink
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That's why McC has so many lobbyists on his staff........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 09/15/2008
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Took you all day to come up with the same line of BS every other tro// has been p.osting? You guys really should have a coordination meeting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 09/15/2008
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"Really a no-brainer." Too bad you're brains seemed to have checked out a while ago...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 09/15/2008
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LOL the economic collapse is a direct result of the housing bubble and lightening up regulations of the mortgage laws that started in 2002 when Bush said to shop and buy homes.

Anything else is Rethuglican spin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 09/15/2008
- DLB I'm a Fan of DLB 41 fans permalink
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If what you say is true (ROFLMAO), then why did this democrat controlled congress, that regulates commerce, not correct it? And don't give this cr*p about Bush didn't blah blah blah.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html

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