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STEPHEN GRAHAM | September 16, 2008 06:34 PM EST | AP

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A Pakistan soldier mans a machine gun in the troubled area of Bajur in Pakistan's tribal area Tuesday, Sept 16, 2008. Pakistan's military has ordered its forces to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, an army spokesman said Tuesday. (AP Photo/Anwarullah Khan)

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how to tackle militant havens in Pakistan's unruly border zone.

Adm. Mike Mullen, the U.S. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, arrived in Pakistan late Tuesday amid the increased tensions. Mullen planned to meet with top civilian and military leaders to discuss a range of issues, including ways to improve coordination and cooperation along the Pakistan-Afghan border.

Pakistan's government has faced rising popular anger over a Sept. 3 ground attack by U.S. commandos into South Waziristan, a base for Taliban militants killing ever more U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Pakistan says about 15 people were killed, all of them civilians.

The new firing orders were disclosed by Pakistani army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas in an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press.

Abbas said Pakistani field commanders have previously been tolerant about international forces crossing a short way into Pakistan because of the ill-defined and contested nature of the mountainous frontier.

"But after the (Sept. 3) incident, the orders are clear," Abbas said. "In case it happens again in this form, that there is a very significant detection, which is very definite, no ambiguity, across the border, on ground or in the air: open fire."

The statement was the strongest since Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's army chief, raised eyebrows last week by vowing to defend Pakistani territory "at all cost." Abbas would not say whether the orders were discussed in advance with U.S. officials.

Rep. Gary Ackerman, Democratic chair of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on South Asia, and other lawmakers expressed concern about Abbas' comments at a hearing Tuesday to examine a Bush administration request to fund an upgrade of Pakistan's aging fleet of F-16 fighter planes.

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Responding to the concerns, Donald Camp, deputy assistant secretary of state for South Asian affairs, said: "I cannot envision a situation where we would find ourselves in a shooting situation with Pakistan."

"We are partners with Pakistan. We have been close friends for years," he said.

President Asif Ali Zardari, the newly elected successor to U.S. ally Pervez Musharraf, declined to comment on the order to use lethal force on American troops, telling reporters in London: "I don't think there will be any more" cross-border operations by the U.S.

U.S. military commanders complain Islamabad has been doing too little to prevent the Taliban and other militant groups from recruiting, training and resupplying in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt.

Pakistan acknowledges the presence of al-Qaida fugitives and its difficulties in preventing militants from seeping into Afghanistan. However, it insists it is doing what it can and paying a heavy price, pointing to its deployment of more then 100,000 troops in the increasingly restive northwest and a wave of suicide bombings across the country.

Mullen, who is on his fifth visit to Pakistan since assuming his post, intended to "discuss ongoing operations in the border region" with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and army chief Kayani, said Mullen spokesman Lt. Col. Gary Tallman.

"He has been focused keenly on working more closely with the Pakistani military to improve coordination and effectiveness in operations against extremist safe havens in the border regions," Tallman said.

American officials have confirmed U.S. forces carried out the Sept. 3 raid near the town of Angoor Ada in South Waziristan but have given few details of what happened.

Abbas said that Pakistan's military had asked for an explanation but received only a half-page of "very vague" information that failed to identify the intended target.

He said the dead all appeared to be civilians, adding: "These were truck drivers, local traders and their families."

Abbas said Pakistani officials had to consider public opinion, which is skeptical of American goals in the region and harbors sympathy for militants fighting in the name of Islam.

"Please look at the public reaction to this kind of adventure or incursion," Abbas said. "The army is also an extension of the public, and you can only satisfy the public when you match your words with your actions."

However, some analysts forecast that the consequences of alienating the United States would stay the army's hand.

"If an American soldier were to die because of Pakistani military firing that would damage the Pakistani-American relationship for years to come," said Craig Cohen, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

The threat "might stir nationalist sentiment in Pakistan and play well politically, but it's just not realistic," he said.

Pakistan's military has won American praise for a six-week offensive against militants in the Bajur tribal region that Pakistani officials say has killed 700 suspected insurgents and about 40 troops. Troops backed by warplanes killed 15 more alleged militants Tuesday, officials said.

In the same timeframe, there has been a surge in missile strikes apparently carried out by unmanned U.S. drones. Such attacks killed at least two senior al-Qaida commanders earlier this year.

All of those strikes have been well to the south of Bajur, in areas where Pakistani authorities have sought peace deals in order to gain respite from militant attacks.

Abbas said that while they were tackling the "mega-sanctuary" in Bajur, they didn't have the forces to fight militants across the tribal belt all at one time. At least two other areas have been earmarked for military operations, he said.

Jalaluddin Haqqani, a formidable Taliban commander whose relatives were reportedly among the dead in one of the recent missile attacks, was definitely in Afghanistan, he added.

Abbas denied the new order had been put into practice before dawn on Monday, when U.S. helicopters reportedly landed near Angoor Ada only to fly away after troops fired warning shots.

Abbas insisted no foreign troops had crossed the border and that "trigger-happy tribesmen" fired the shots. Pakistani troops based nearby fired flares to see what was going on, he said.

The U.S. military in Afghanistan said none of its troops were involved.

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Associated Press writers Nahal Toosi in Islamabad, Habib Khan in Khar, David Stringer in London, and Lolita Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how ...
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"If an American soldier were to die because of Pakistani military firing that would damage the Pakistani-American relationship for years to come," said Craig Cohen, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

Are all streets in America "one way" only?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 09/16/2008
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 159 fans permalink

Perhaps Palin and JMc think a world war would help get us out of our economic depression.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 09/16/2008
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 159 fans permalink

I certainly don't trust JMc to be the commando in chief. JMc is way too hot tempered. The man is not stable. And SP is running around talking about war with Russia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 09/16/2008

Hey ya'll ain't this one of Ba%rry's idea's?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 09/16/2008
- JenMI I'm a Fan of JenMI 15 fans permalink

Not quite the idea Obama had...he did not advocate our troops crossing the border, but did advocate strikes from Afghanistan.
It's also time to consider a nuanced change in our relationship with Pakistan now that there is a new President.­..an excellent opportunity to improve our relationship and build more trust....P­akistan needs things that we can aid them with... food for one. Perhaps if we took a different approach, we could get more help in catching Bin Laden....a thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 09/16/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

Pakistan would probably be less adverse to special forces teams entering their country from time to time if we did not kill so many innocent civilians. The army views the killing of innocent civilians as collateral damage and what it is is murder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 09/16/2008
- rr00 I'm a Fan of rr00 3 fans permalink

Seems to me that it is harder to avoid killing innocent civilians if we can't place specops on the ground for more precise missions. Far less collateral damage from a small team and a sniper shot vs. a hellfire from a UAV vs. dropping a bomb on a house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 09/16/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

Yes, at some point the army may have to stop blowing up the entire house when fired upon. Killing an entire innocent family with the goal of killing an insurgent produces a lot more ill will than anything else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 09/17/2008

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 09/16/2008

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 09/16/2008

Some people don't appreciate it when we blow up their women and children. Whoda thunk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 09/16/2008
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you can't open fire on a bunker buster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

I heard that in some country, this is how they catch a monkey. They tie a bottle to a tree where the mouth of the bottle is just wide enough for the monehy to put its paw inside. They then put salt in the bottle. (BTW..Monk­eys love salt). So this money puts his hand in and grabs a chunk of salt. But now, cannot take his hand out. It just stands there and screams. All he has to do is drop the goodies (salt) and run... but Its too greedy to leave the goodies behind. All you have to do is...walk to it and take the monkey away.

Pakistan is like this monkey. All it has to do is..give up the idea of using Jihad (Terrorism) as a state policy to fight in Kashmir and to control Afghanistan (they say..they need Afghanistan for strategic depth to fight with India).

But it will not. Its would rather implode as a country rather than give up its goodies!

That's Pakistan 101 in a nutshell!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 09/16/2008

So where do we tie the bottle?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 09/16/2008

Your brain is a nutshell, Goober.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 09/16/2008
- thewho77 I'm a Fan of thewho77 2 fans permalink

WTF? I thought that Pakistan is our ally in this fake war on terror?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 09/16/2008
- Agent420 I'm a Fan of Agent420 45 fans permalink
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The rich scum think they are like the Roman Empire. It's Pax Americana. We don't need the permission of sovereign countries to invade their territory. It seems to others in this world that what we are doing is creating more terrorists with our blundering adventurism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

Ah the blame America crowd has arrived!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 09/16/2008
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Are you blind or just a repuke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 09/16/2008

You still did not produce an argument, Goober. Not that anyone expected one from you Goober

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 09/16/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 138 fans permalink

Yeah, I think the Pakistanis are blaming America.

Who else would they blame?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

All you have to do is read Huffies here...see how the Obomabots hate America! They are all peeing in their pants cause they need to stand and fight the real AQ/Talibanies in Pakistan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 09/16/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

Some of us LOVE America and want to preserve its ideals. Some of you run around screaming about other people hating America while you allow it to be diminished to a shadow of what it once was.

Shame on you for declaring that people who are concerned about this country "hate" it. You are a disgrace and you bring the conversation below the basement every time you post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 09/16/2008
- Agent420 I'm a Fan of Agent420 45 fans permalink
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So, what the f u c k are you doing about besides just shooting s h i t out of your pie hole?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 09/16/2008
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So your now saying it was a waste of time and money illegally invading Iraq and in the process loosing the initiative on the war on terrer? Your Republican masters won't like that approach!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 09/16/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

Does anyone here actually know what the F is going on? Be honest!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

Yes..Pakis­tan has a civilian leadership­... who are actually scared of its army/ISI and the Talibani/AQ axis.

The civil leadershipo tried to take over control of the ISI last month. But the Army threatened the civilian govt to lay off.

So the US has decided to work with the civies rather than with their Army/ISI since this orgnaization is tainted with AQ and Talbans.

So the US is hoping to do it themselves by putting putting boots inside Pak with support of the civilian leadership. But the Army isn't too happy about it.

So thats where we are at,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 09/16/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

And, you have acquired this information how?

BTW- that was the most articulate post I've read of yours yet. Seriously, I like have conversations rather than petty arguments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 09/16/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

Damn, reading your other posts really puts a dent in your credibility. Maybe some sources would help. Or, have you spoken with the army yourself and they told you they aren't "too happy"? And when did the US tell you what it is hoping to do? Are you VIP or what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 09/16/2008

You sound like an active or retired military Goober. You did not join the military because you thought you were a genius, did you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 09/16/2008
- Agent420 I'm a Fan of Agent420 45 fans permalink
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Yes, America is the process of becoming a third world country. Remember what killed the Roman Empire, expensive foreign wars. Sound familiar?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 09/16/2008
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