Pakistan troops ordered to open fire on US raiders

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STEPHEN GRAHAM | September 16, 2008 06:34 PM EST | AP

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A Pakistan soldier mans a machine gun in the troubled area of Bajur in Pakistan's tribal area Tuesday, Sept 16, 2008. Pakistan's military has ordered its forces to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, an army spokesman said Tuesday. (AP Photo/Anwarullah Khan)

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how to tackle militant havens in Pakistan's unruly border zone.

Adm. Mike Mullen, the U.S. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, arrived in Pakistan late Tuesday amid the increased tensions. Mullen planned to meet with top civilian and military leaders to discuss a range of issues, including ways to improve coordination and cooperation along the Pakistan-Afghan border.

Pakistan's government has faced rising popular anger over a Sept. 3 ground attack by U.S. commandos into South Waziristan, a base for Taliban militants killing ever more U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Pakistan says about 15 people were killed, all of them civilians.

The new firing orders were disclosed by Pakistani army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas in an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press.

Abbas said Pakistani field commanders have previously been tolerant about international forces crossing a short way into Pakistan because of the ill-defined and contested nature of the mountainous frontier.

"But after the (Sept. 3) incident, the orders are clear," Abbas said. "In case it happens again in this form, that there is a very significant detection, which is very definite, no ambiguity, across the border, on ground or in the air: open fire."

The statement was the strongest since Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's army chief, raised eyebrows last week by vowing to defend Pakistani territory "at all cost." Abbas would not say whether the orders were discussed in advance with U.S. officials.

Rep. Gary Ackerman, Democratic chair of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on South Asia, and other lawmakers expressed concern about Abbas' comments at a hearing Tuesday to examine a Bush administration request to fund an upgrade of Pakistan's aging fleet of F-16 fighter planes.

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Responding to the concerns, Donald Camp, deputy assistant secretary of state for South Asian affairs, said: "I cannot envision a situation where we would find ourselves in a shooting situation with Pakistan."

"We are partners with Pakistan. We have been close friends for years," he said.

President Asif Ali Zardari, the newly elected successor to U.S. ally Pervez Musharraf, declined to comment on the order to use lethal force on American troops, telling reporters in London: "I don't think there will be any more" cross-border operations by the U.S.

U.S. military commanders complain Islamabad has been doing too little to prevent the Taliban and other militant groups from recruiting, training and resupplying in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt.

Pakistan acknowledges the presence of al-Qaida fugitives and its difficulties in preventing militants from seeping into Afghanistan. However, it insists it is doing what it can and paying a heavy price, pointing to its deployment of more then 100,000 troops in the increasingly restive northwest and a wave of suicide bombings across the country.

Mullen, who is on his fifth visit to Pakistan since assuming his post, intended to "discuss ongoing operations in the border region" with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and army chief Kayani, said Mullen spokesman Lt. Col. Gary Tallman.

"He has been focused keenly on working more closely with the Pakistani military to improve coordination and effectiveness in operations against extremist safe havens in the border regions," Tallman said.

American officials have confirmed U.S. forces carried out the Sept. 3 raid near the town of Angoor Ada in South Waziristan but have given few details of what happened.

Abbas said that Pakistan's military had asked for an explanation but received only a half-page of "very vague" information that failed to identify the intended target.

He said the dead all appeared to be civilians, adding: "These were truck drivers, local traders and their families."

Abbas said Pakistani officials had to consider public opinion, which is skeptical of American goals in the region and harbors sympathy for militants fighting in the name of Islam.

"Please look at the public reaction to this kind of adventure or incursion," Abbas said. "The army is also an extension of the public, and you can only satisfy the public when you match your words with your actions."

However, some analysts forecast that the consequences of alienating the United States would stay the army's hand.

"If an American soldier were to die because of Pakistani military firing that would damage the Pakistani-American relationship for years to come," said Craig Cohen, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

The threat "might stir nationalist sentiment in Pakistan and play well politically, but it's just not realistic," he said.

Pakistan's military has won American praise for a six-week offensive against militants in the Bajur tribal region that Pakistani officials say has killed 700 suspected insurgents and about 40 troops. Troops backed by warplanes killed 15 more alleged militants Tuesday, officials said.

In the same timeframe, there has been a surge in missile strikes apparently carried out by unmanned U.S. drones. Such attacks killed at least two senior al-Qaida commanders earlier this year.

All of those strikes have been well to the south of Bajur, in areas where Pakistani authorities have sought peace deals in order to gain respite from militant attacks.

Abbas said that while they were tackling the "mega-sanctuary" in Bajur, they didn't have the forces to fight militants across the tribal belt all at one time. At least two other areas have been earmarked for military operations, he said.

Jalaluddin Haqqani, a formidable Taliban commander whose relatives were reportedly among the dead in one of the recent missile attacks, was definitely in Afghanistan, he added.

Abbas denied the new order had been put into practice before dawn on Monday, when U.S. helicopters reportedly landed near Angoor Ada only to fly away after troops fired warning shots.

Abbas insisted no foreign troops had crossed the border and that "trigger-happy tribesmen" fired the shots. Pakistani troops based nearby fired flares to see what was going on, he said.

The U.S. military in Afghanistan said none of its troops were involved.

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Associated Press writers Nahal Toosi in Islamabad, Habib Khan in Khar, David Stringer in London, and Lolita Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how ...
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 09/16/2008
- GSMRaleigh I'm a Fan of GSMRaleigh 3 fans permalink

If foreign troops were conducting raids in the US, we would do the same thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 09/16/2008
- RayPacNW I'm a Fan of RayPacNW 4 fans permalink

People never think about it that way. For instance, it was outed on the news that we funded special forces to go into Iran and attempt to bring about "regime change". Can you IMAGINE the blowback if some other country attempted to infiltrate Washington with their special forces and bring about "regime change"? Holy crud, we would be calling out the nukes. For some reason, we think we can treat other countries any old way we choose (including invading and occupying them), but what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander. Really weird unidirectional thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 09/16/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

Careful, a whole slew of a**hats are about to call you UnAmerican! 3-2-1...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 09/16/2008

No. We are a country of honor. If we agreed to help an ally, we would. For this scenario to be analogous, there would be a third party in America that both our ally and we would want to detroy. Pakistan made an agreement and they are waffling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 09/16/2008
- CC1 I'm a Fan of CC1 6 fans permalink

Yes we would help allies, until they start violating our sovereignty and raiding our territory. The Pakistan alliance was not for goodwill, but for profit (as is our own government's actions) - the USA has given Pakistan aid and weaponry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 09/17/2008

seablood: pakistan has just charged the going price for being a us mercenary army. have you ever tried killing cockroaches? they will come in to your house in ever greater numbers. just leave them ALONE and they will stop bothering us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

L!ar! You are saying that so that you in Pakistan can keep sending the roaches to Afghanistan like thats your backyard!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 09/16/2008
- Agent420 I'm a Fan of Agent420 45 fans permalink
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I didn't know that 10 year old kiddies were allowed to post here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 09/16/2008

just like the US government lies to us here, the govt of pakistan is lying to their citizens -- i doubt that government troops will fire on us incursions. the militants might, and they will look like govt troops and have about the same equipment ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 09/16/2008
- SeaBlood I'm a Fan of SeaBlood 9 fans permalink

We should tell Pakistan: " You have gotten what YOU wanted; our economy is in tatters because of that idiotic war, while you sniggered at us. Don't tell us this is not true because it is MANIFESTLY true. Now it's only fair that we get what WE want. Give us Bin Laden ! If not, we will regretfully have to turn you into a parking lot. It's up to you; our hands are tied and we have no choice. Fire on us if you want. That's what we are good at. Give us Bin Laden !! "

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 09/16/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

Please re-read your post and tell me if you think you come off as rational or remotely objective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 09/16/2008
- SeaBlood I'm a Fan of SeaBlood 9 fans permalink

I realize that my post seemed a bit harsh. But we have a lot of people that feel that their honor is at stake ( I'm not one of them). Those people are not going away. As primitive as it sounds, they must have some kind of satisfaction or this war will never end. What's more, I believe that the things I said are true, and there is plenty of evidence for that. If Pakistanis were to read my post, they would know immediately that it is true. They rejoice at our predicament as they take our billions in aid. They want us to continue floundering stupidly in the middle east. Tell me it's not true and I will believe you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 09/16/2008
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Looks like American Intel got snookered by AQ into attacking an innocent village.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 09/16/2008
- Agent420 I'm a Fan of Agent420 45 fans permalink
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American intel is an oxymoron.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 09/16/2008

TRIGGER-HAPPY OR UNDER ATTACK TRIBESMEN ? (END PART)

The (JSOC/CIA) Joint Special Operations Forces Command / Central Intelligence Agent Senior Operative responsible for “Preparing the Battlefield Operations” and who’s authority supersedes that of the Commanding Generals in Afghanistan, and , the American ambassador in Islamabad is above the pay grade of Bryan Whitman, answering only to the office of the Imperial President of the United States Military Industrial Complex, and as such all missions are classified far beyond Bryan Whitman’s level.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 09/16/2008

TRIGGER-HAPPY OR UNDER ATTACK TRIBESMEN ? (PART ONE)

It just maybe time for the (UN) United Nations, Human Rights Commission to look into the report of the second military incursion, in the list of six attacks upon Pakistan by the Military Industrial Complex of The United States.

On Monday (14th) September the (JSOC) Joint Special Operations Forces Command began yet another incursion, the second incursion mission in a series of (6) six attacks on Pakistan at boarder post – 27, who opened fire upon two Chinook Helicopters as they passed over the post and continued into Pakistan Territory a distance of (100km) to (150km) to Angor Adda, a village in the tribal region of South Waziristan. Pakistani boarder post (27) units members gave pursuit and with the aid of tribal residents who were awoken by the Chinooks flying in and landing returned fire coming from troops leaving the helicopters and ended the incursion foray causing it to be aborted. At the same time US armored vehicles were also seen moving on the Afghanistan side of the border, while US warplanes were seen overhead.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman and a (U.S.) military spokesman in Afghanistan said American helicopters had not come under fire. "I've checked into that and find it to be a spurious report, it did not happen. I've checked all the places that would know about something like that and it doesn't appear to be accurate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 09/16/2008
- Alethia I'm a Fan of Alethia 2 fans permalink

What the world needs right now is an update of the United Nations reflecting the reality of the world.

If the world is serious about fighting this international scourge called terrorism, then for starters, update the Security Council to include: India, Pakistan, Egypt, Israel, South Africa and Mexico.

And you cannot expect Islamic nations like Pakistan to bear the responsibility and the danger in being a front-line state in the war on terror unless you also empower it with the same respect being shown to similar-sized powers in Europe who are on the Council.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 09/16/2008
- calichic I'm a Fan of calichic 17 fans permalink

The Pakistanis are right. Military action and war only fuels extremism. They have asked the US to help them with diplomatic efforts in the border regions such as building schools and roads but have only been met with silence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 09/16/2008
- AnnieinOR I'm a Fan of AnnieinOR 24 fans permalink

Looks like Iran and Russia will have to wait - we're going to start a nuclear war with Pakistan instead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 09/16/2008

Wait a minute here. Hasn't Bush touted Pakistan as our ally? What happened??

(Even though if anyone had listens to Maliki, he was never an ally but Bush was not listening).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 09/16/2008
- SFkid I'm a Fan of SFkid 4 fans permalink

Good for Pakistan, the US shouldn't be allowed to play cowboys and kill its citizens when ever they want. Time to come home troops, know when your not wanted in a region.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

Thats right..Onl­y Pakistanie­s/Army/ISI­/Talibani with the help of Oshama supporters can enter Afghanistan and Kashmir are allowed to play cowboys!

Sheesh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 09/16/2008

This kind of frightens me considering Obama has been the primary advocate for these raids for months.

It seems no matter who we elect we're going to have wars with fundamentalists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 09/16/2008
- pfc1369 I'm a Fan of pfc1369 92 fans permalink
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You will only "have wars" if you go around the world shooting up ther people's countries whenever some wackadoo decides that would be a great idea.

And what's worse, if the wackadoo believes he is on a mission from his invisible friend in the sky.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 09/16/2008
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

The wackados that acted on instruction from their invisible friend in the sky flew planes into buildings in our country killing people that wore no uniforms, took no oathes to protect our country and brought no arms to bear against them or their countries. This was also led and directed by a billionaire madman that we had the decency not to assassinate when we had the chance, that we provided arms and ammunition to fight the communist invasion of Afghanistan and provided safe harbor to his family when they would have been beheaded in Saudi had they not been given safe harbor.
We did nothing to invite these atrocitities unless you consider keeping Israel from being wiped off of the face of the map enough to warrant this and then you have no better capacity for reasoning than do the people that strap on explosive vests and blow themselves up in crowded markets or on tourist buses.
Long may our flag wave and our resolve to bring this fight to Al Qaeda must stay strong.
Happy Constitution Day

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 09/17/2008
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

You are correct that no matter what we are going to have wars with fundamentalists. They brought it to us and now we must follow through on it until they are completely powerless to bring such aweful and horrid attacks to our shores again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 09/16/2008
- KoolBreez I'm a Fan of KoolBreez 15 fans permalink

Yeah, but if you listen to Obama, we will end the idiotic occupation of Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 09/16/2008
- mike42nola I'm a Fan of mike42nola 25 fans permalink

He actually tried to extend the date of troop draw down just to look better politically. How's that for principle?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 09/17/2008

Pakistan is supposed to be our ally. Some ally. The truth is they're not our allies and the fact is this is where the real war on terror is. This is where Al Qaeda is. Pakistan has nukes. No matter what it takes, this is where the fight leads and where the enemy has to be vanquished.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 09/16/2008
- USAisEVIL I'm a Fan of USAisEVIL 2 fans permalink

You have no allies. None. You have co-conspirators like the UK, Australia and Canada. You have those who fear you and pretend to be your friends like Poland, Costa Rica, Kuwait and Pakistan for some sort of profit. There are those who openly defy you like Venezuela, Cuba and Bolivia. And there is the vast majority who quietly despise you and pray for your defeat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 09/16/2008

And there are those who realize that money, prosperity, and freedom and connected to America thriving.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 09/16/2008

Love it or leave it. Either way, gofuckyourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 09/16/2008
- escobar I'm a Fan of escobar 18 fans permalink

What are you talking about?!!!
We have the," BEST ALLIES MONEY CAN BUY!!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 09/16/2008
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