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STEPHEN GRAHAM | September 16, 2008 06:34 PM EST | AP

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A Pakistan soldier mans a machine gun in the troubled area of Bajur in Pakistan's tribal area Tuesday, Sept 16, 2008. Pakistan's military has ordered its forces to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, an army spokesman said Tuesday. (AP Photo/Anwarullah Khan)

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how to tackle militant havens in Pakistan's unruly border zone.

Adm. Mike Mullen, the U.S. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, arrived in Pakistan late Tuesday amid the increased tensions. Mullen planned to meet with top civilian and military leaders to discuss a range of issues, including ways to improve coordination and cooperation along the Pakistan-Afghan border.

Pakistan's government has faced rising popular anger over a Sept. 3 ground attack by U.S. commandos into South Waziristan, a base for Taliban militants killing ever more U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Pakistan says about 15 people were killed, all of them civilians.

The new firing orders were disclosed by Pakistani army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas in an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press.

Abbas said Pakistani field commanders have previously been tolerant about international forces crossing a short way into Pakistan because of the ill-defined and contested nature of the mountainous frontier.

"But after the (Sept. 3) incident, the orders are clear," Abbas said. "In case it happens again in this form, that there is a very significant detection, which is very definite, no ambiguity, across the border, on ground or in the air: open fire."

The statement was the strongest since Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's army chief, raised eyebrows last week by vowing to defend Pakistani territory "at all cost." Abbas would not say whether the orders were discussed in advance with U.S. officials.

Rep. Gary Ackerman, Democratic chair of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on South Asia, and other lawmakers expressed concern about Abbas' comments at a hearing Tuesday to examine a Bush administration request to fund an upgrade of Pakistan's aging fleet of F-16 fighter planes.

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Responding to the concerns, Donald Camp, deputy assistant secretary of state for South Asian affairs, said: "I cannot envision a situation where we would find ourselves in a shooting situation with Pakistan."

"We are partners with Pakistan. We have been close friends for years," he said.

President Asif Ali Zardari, the newly elected successor to U.S. ally Pervez Musharraf, declined to comment on the order to use lethal force on American troops, telling reporters in London: "I don't think there will be any more" cross-border operations by the U.S.

U.S. military commanders complain Islamabad has been doing too little to prevent the Taliban and other militant groups from recruiting, training and resupplying in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt.

Pakistan acknowledges the presence of al-Qaida fugitives and its difficulties in preventing militants from seeping into Afghanistan. However, it insists it is doing what it can and paying a heavy price, pointing to its deployment of more then 100,000 troops in the increasingly restive northwest and a wave of suicide bombings across the country.

Mullen, who is on his fifth visit to Pakistan since assuming his post, intended to "discuss ongoing operations in the border region" with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and army chief Kayani, said Mullen spokesman Lt. Col. Gary Tallman.

"He has been focused keenly on working more closely with the Pakistani military to improve coordination and effectiveness in operations against extremist safe havens in the border regions," Tallman said.

American officials have confirmed U.S. forces carried out the Sept. 3 raid near the town of Angoor Ada in South Waziristan but have given few details of what happened.

Abbas said that Pakistan's military had asked for an explanation but received only a half-page of "very vague" information that failed to identify the intended target.

He said the dead all appeared to be civilians, adding: "These were truck drivers, local traders and their families."

Abbas said Pakistani officials had to consider public opinion, which is skeptical of American goals in the region and harbors sympathy for militants fighting in the name of Islam.

"Please look at the public reaction to this kind of adventure or incursion," Abbas said. "The army is also an extension of the public, and you can only satisfy the public when you match your words with your actions."

However, some analysts forecast that the consequences of alienating the United States would stay the army's hand.

"If an American soldier were to die because of Pakistani military firing that would damage the Pakistani-American relationship for years to come," said Craig Cohen, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

The threat "might stir nationalist sentiment in Pakistan and play well politically, but it's just not realistic," he said.

Pakistan's military has won American praise for a six-week offensive against militants in the Bajur tribal region that Pakistani officials say has killed 700 suspected insurgents and about 40 troops. Troops backed by warplanes killed 15 more alleged militants Tuesday, officials said.

In the same timeframe, there has been a surge in missile strikes apparently carried out by unmanned U.S. drones. Such attacks killed at least two senior al-Qaida commanders earlier this year.

All of those strikes have been well to the south of Bajur, in areas where Pakistani authorities have sought peace deals in order to gain respite from militant attacks.

Abbas said that while they were tackling the "mega-sanctuary" in Bajur, they didn't have the forces to fight militants across the tribal belt all at one time. At least two other areas have been earmarked for military operations, he said.

Jalaluddin Haqqani, a formidable Taliban commander whose relatives were reportedly among the dead in one of the recent missile attacks, was definitely in Afghanistan, he added.

Abbas denied the new order had been put into practice before dawn on Monday, when U.S. helicopters reportedly landed near Angoor Ada only to fly away after troops fired warning shots.

Abbas insisted no foreign troops had crossed the border and that "trigger-happy tribesmen" fired the shots. Pakistani troops based nearby fired flares to see what was going on, he said.

The U.S. military in Afghanistan said none of its troops were involved.

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Associated Press writers Nahal Toosi in Islamabad, Habib Khan in Khar, David Stringer in London, and Lolita Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how ...
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Pakistan needs to lob a few nukes on the Green Zone and Tel Aviv.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 09/16/2008
- PSRinNJ2 I'm a Fan of PSRinNJ2 7 fans permalink

But who's hateful?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

You know that it was the Dutch who gave Nike tech to the AQ Khan dude...right? His wife is Ducth! You guys are the ones who are spreading nukes all over!

YOU ARE NEXT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 09/16/2008
- escobar I'm a Fan of escobar 18 fans permalink

That is sick
You should be ashamed of yourself

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 09/16/2008
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Shame is for people with special sky-friends.

Not for human beings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 09/16/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

Whacky post. Can you explain yourself?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 09/16/2008

Thank God the Pakistanis, like the Saudis, are our allies, not our enemies! But if they're not happy with us, perhaps we haven't sent them enough military aid?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 09/16/2008
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I'm a dyed in the wool liberal but I'm with the hawks on this one. It's time for Pakistan to either man up and give us bin Laden and any other known Taliban or al Qaeda leaders or step aside and let us do it ourselves. It should have happened years ago.

Politically, however, this is a completely different story. I think this is the neocon establishment trying to initiate an "October Surprise," which if successful would virtually guarantee a McPalin victory in November and give Bush something to put on his otherwise empty list of accomplishments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 09/16/2008
- freedog I'm a Fan of freedog 2 fans permalink

I am glad we all can agree on something! :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 09/16/2008
- calichic I'm a Fan of calichic 17 fans permalink

The Pakistanis have realized something the US hasn't. You cannot win the so-called war on terror with military force. You cannot fight an ideology with bombs and bullets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 09/16/2008
- Bobleblah1 I'm a Fan of Bobleblah1 21 fans permalink

I hate to be the guy that always thinks these articles are bullshit but damn!!!!!!
The news is total fantasy land!

Lets see how long it takes for the media to drum up the beat for Obama's war (Pakistan)
Any actions taken relative to pakistan have nothing to do with terrorism. I'm beginning to wonder who these so-called terrorists are. All of these fantasy tales are simply not credible and fantastically ridiculous.

if you want to encircle Russia with Nato forces, and play pipeline games at least be honest about it.
What is the point in telling these flimsy lies? They wont hold up and given our climate now, the shelf life of these types of lies isnt even long enough to make them worthwhile. Its just lying for the sake of lying.

A leadership that abides in the delusion of its people is a truly foolish one.
Regardless of the lies the media endlessly tells
Those who oppose America's interests are the party that end up operating from a clear minded standpoint.

Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 09/16/2008
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You're just being plain ignorant. There are no pipelines in Waziristan. This IS about terrorism. The Taliban are the most brutal and backward thinking political movement in the world today. They are the backbone of al Queada and their ideology represents utopia for all violent Muslim extremists. They are responsible for 9/11 and the terror attacks in Europe that followed. They don't care about Palestinians but will use them as political propaganda. They want an ultra-fundamentalist society where women are treated like dogs and men are executed for trimming their beards. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, these psychos decided that they could radicalize the Muslim world to get behind their ideology by making the US the boogeyman.

The US should have known better. We shouldn't have had a permanent base in Saudi Araba. But that is spilled milk.

Don't let the idiotic decision to invade Iraq, nor the ignorant and short-sighted wold view of necons allow you to believe that these people are our enemy. They must be dealt with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 09/16/2008
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Sorry to burst your bubble, SeanOcali, but Pakistan and Afghanistan have the potential to support a myriad of oil and gas pipelines already proposed whose plans are on the drawing board!
There are at least four major routes proposed, most ending at the sea on Pakistan's coastline. Their routings are as follows:

1) Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan
2) Iran-Pakistan -India
3) China-Pakistan
4) Kazakhstan-China-Pakistan

The big powers, especially the good ole' USA, are currently involved in this game of chess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 09/16/2008

Exactly WHERE do you figure the "lie" is? The U.S. military has been complaining about Taliban strongholds at the Afghanistan/Pakistan border since Bin Laden escaped. They have been itching to hit the Taliban there for years. Now they are doing it, and you are somehow incredulous?

The Bin Laden and al Quaida (sponsored by the Taliban, from Afghanistan) attacked the U.S. with four jet airliners a few years back. Maybe you heard the news? Therefore, anything having to do with fighting the Taliban has *everything* to do with responding to terrorism. They, and al Quaida, are the only sponsors of terrorism that need to be pursued for the attacks of 9/11. Any other actions are, to borrow your phraseology, "fantasy land" and "flimsy lies".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 09/16/2008
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do some research, the taliban offered to hand bin laden over to an international court, they just required evidence that he was involved in the attacks, at the time they knew where he was at, also the taliban was the puppet government we helped to put in power after the russians left. cj124

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 09/16/2008
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It's about time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 09/16/2008

I don't think Bin Laden is alive. He can't be. I refuse to believe it. He isn't. No way no how, no Bin Laden.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 09/16/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

So what? We can start another war! Whoopee!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 09/16/2008
- abouttime I'm a Fan of abouttime 24 fans permalink

We definately need a New Deal.
We need a United Nations that is responsive to the insanity of unilateral invasions of countries by another. The US is no longer the power it was, because it has lost its direction in its quest for world hegonomy. The Neocans must be outed. The war mongers are rattling the fumes of insanity.
NATO is Offensive and incompetent.
We need a United Earth in solidarity of peace and good will.
We can start here. Look at our health. Our infrastructure is collapsing. Our people are imprissoned and the poor are suffering the neglect of "War Incorporated".
Stop the Corporate Police State in America!
It is our only chance for peace on Earth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 09/16/2008
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Wow! Did you just leave the meeting comrad?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 09/16/2008
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None of these comments are communist, but then again, anything you don't understand is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 09/16/2008
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Heck of a job W! Keep up the good work on the warfront Republicans! We sure do appreciate it! But supporting the GI Bill will not keep troops in the military. Making sure that you only send them places that are absolutely necessary is what will keep them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 09/16/2008
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Meggie, did you serve your nation in the Armed Services? As a ten year vet and vet of the first gulf war I can tell you that soldiers don't think that way. I wish all of you on the far left that give their phony "support our troops" speech, who never served, who keep ROTC out of many of our top Universities would just go away. You are NOT supporters of the military or our troops. It's just a PC thing for all of you to do. The overwhelming amount of military folks, across all gender and race are pro-republican when it comes to our CIC. Obama comes off as a lightweight in a world of heavyweights who just doesn't get it when it comes to national security.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 09/16/2008
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Dream on troll. Just because you served doesn't mean you know anything or that your logic is intact. You're a republicant so therefore your point is moot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 09/16/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

How does P alin come off for you? She will most likely be prez if McC wins.

How do rationalize McC's lack of support for veterans?

You can mock me all you want but I'm telling you, I appreciate your service and your point of view. I have two sons. I would be horrified to see them fight in an unnecessary war (I"d break their legs before I'd let them do it). But, for a noble cause, I would have to suck it up and let them go.

You call it PC but I am telling you, I and many others are vehemently defending the value of YOUR life during service and when you come home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 09/16/2008
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Meggie supports the troopsâ„¢

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 09/16/2008
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Somewhere in the US Sarah is salicating at the oppurtunity to do G_d's work and push the big red button on the middle east

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 09/16/2008

So Pakistan takes American taxpayer's money, shoots at American soldiers, harbors OBL and al-queda top leadership and a million other Jihadi groups, sells nuclear weapons technology to Iran and N. Korea.
All that is expected from Pakistan. This is what they have been doing since their creation in 1947....... meddling in other people's business.
The important question is ... everybody missed the big picture in US foreign policy team ... over the decades.
Will there be lessons learnt this time? or are the Pakistanis going to fool the U.S. yet again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 09/16/2008
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Maybe it's not your Nixon's Pakistan. A U.S. troop comes into my house without my asking? Tthat U.S. troop has a fight on his hand. I may not win but I've got the firepower to slow them down a bit or at least but a second thought in his/her mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 09/16/2008
- freedog I'm a Fan of freedog 2 fans permalink

well aren't you just another weak american apologist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 09/16/2008
- marcelisa I'm a Fan of marcelisa 3 fans permalink

What say Sarah Palin about all this? What's that? Sarah, is that you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 09/16/2008
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she cannot see Pakistan from her home in AK, therefore she does not know what to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 09/16/2008
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Sarah cannot see Pakistan from her home in Alaska because she is laying in her tanning bed with the lid closed.

Hey... I smell bacon burning!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 09/16/2008
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From supporting the military take over of the hapless General Musharraf, to sinking billions of dollars in his coffers and those who instinctively oppose the US plans, to propping him up whenever his people rebelled against him - even when he opened his country's north to the Taliban to meet the demands of his dreaded SIS... That was the policy of the US, to be crowned with buying the favor of the murdered Bhutu, and later appointing a fraudster and an ex-convict as a President in a hastily arranged election.

In the meantime, the trail of the other murderers is lost in the dust of the feeble battle with terror in Afghanistan and the inability to meet the basic military requirements for subduing that country's rebels.

But the administration must have known all that if I do - and I am no Pakistani, Afghani, or even remotely connected with that region. So what are the real plans? For, incompetence just doesn't explain it, and fail to make sense of what is happening there anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 09/16/2008
- abouttime I'm a Fan of abouttime 24 fans permalink

I agree.

The US is provoking all out war. And I don't get it. The "elections" were a sham. The Court system has not been honored, but a new "Mushariff" heads the miliray police state , while Pakistanis suffer the ills of malnutrition, sickness, and no education. Shame onthe US for supporting a wicked regime while opposing the people of Pakistan who will die opposing any US incursion into that region. Thaey, (Pashtun) will fight any agressor. They are not to blame. They are caught in Catch 22.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

As long as Pakistan thinks it can send its Talibanies into Harmid Karzais Afghanistan at anytime it pleases...

As long as Pakistan thinks it can send its terrorists into India's Kashmir,'

They lose the right to their sovereignty for violating other countries sovereignty!.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 09/16/2008
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Perhaps in your mind two wrongs make a right but that is not how international law works.
Sorry

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

yes..that's how it worked in WWII. We invaded Germany..and violated their sovereignty!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 09/16/2008
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So what you're saying is that a country that violates another's sovereignty loses its right to sovereignty. This means that you believe the USA does not have the right to its sovereignty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

The confusion arises for Obama supporters,cause they don't know who the good guy is and who the bad guys are.. You see, the ones who threaten us and gives comfort to terrorists are the bad guys.

We had to invade Germany and Japan cause they violated other countries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

If you mean Iraq..they violated Kuwait's sovereignty. and we punished them for it...but Saddam never learn't the lesson..so we need to teach him another lesson. Just for good measure!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 09/16/2008
- mijumom I'm a Fan of mijumom 14 fans permalink

Because YOU said so!!! Manni for President of...the wolrd!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 09/16/2008
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America has got to decide whether it approves of the Bush doctrine..pre-emptive strike, invasion, occupation, rebuild, and force a new Government to our "Freedom & Democracy" ideology standards or not. McCain represents exactly the same mandate. McCain's list of "Evil Doer's" is far more diverse than Bush. Do we, as a nation, continue to support men who love their fingers on the trigger with no attempt at understanding History? McCain and his party have held our Country in fear for far to long without acknowledging the real problems with America. While we continue to butt our noses in the business of the rest of the world...the freedoms, the independence, and the lives of American's are deteriorating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 09/16/2008
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Don't forget to include the huge costs of these doctrines and how it means that we can't afford to take care of our own people! We have to cut AMERICAN social projects ino rder to spend money on OTHER countries social projects.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 09/16/2008

Of course this is how it had to go down. The administration does not want Bin Laden captured and this sham resistance from Pakistan is a perfect excuse for the abject failure of that mission. If Bin Laden were ever "captured" then the would would find out that he's been a CIA asset all along.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 09/16/2008
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YES!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 09/16/2008
- GOVSUX I'm a Fan of GOVSUX 3 fans permalink

BWAAHHAAAAAAA, you people on the left get dumber as you go. Just bury yourself in the sand you're not helping anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 09/16/2008
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Why do republicans take pride in being ignorant?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 09/16/2008

Exactly, and don't be surprised if there's another video from Bin Laden that comes out the weekend before the election, as in 2004, in order to scare the sheeple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 09/16/2008
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I don't think it's a "sham resistance" by Pakistan. Whether is politically impotent or not will be understood sometime soon.

I hope they have "govsux" targeted. That kind of crap is just childishly annoying.

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