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STEPHEN GRAHAM | September 16, 2008 06:34 PM EST | AP

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A Pakistan soldier mans a machine gun in the troubled area of Bajur in Pakistan's tribal area Tuesday, Sept 16, 2008. Pakistan's military has ordered its forces to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, an army spokesman said Tuesday. (AP Photo/Anwarullah Khan)

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how to tackle militant havens in Pakistan's unruly border zone.

Adm. Mike Mullen, the U.S. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, arrived in Pakistan late Tuesday amid the increased tensions. Mullen planned to meet with top civilian and military leaders to discuss a range of issues, including ways to improve coordination and cooperation along the Pakistan-Afghan border.

Pakistan's government has faced rising popular anger over a Sept. 3 ground attack by U.S. commandos into South Waziristan, a base for Taliban militants killing ever more U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Pakistan says about 15 people were killed, all of them civilians.

The new firing orders were disclosed by Pakistani army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas in an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press.

Abbas said Pakistani field commanders have previously been tolerant about international forces crossing a short way into Pakistan because of the ill-defined and contested nature of the mountainous frontier.

"But after the (Sept. 3) incident, the orders are clear," Abbas said. "In case it happens again in this form, that there is a very significant detection, which is very definite, no ambiguity, across the border, on ground or in the air: open fire."

The statement was the strongest since Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's army chief, raised eyebrows last week by vowing to defend Pakistani territory "at all cost." Abbas would not say whether the orders were discussed in advance with U.S. officials.

Rep. Gary Ackerman, Democratic chair of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on South Asia, and other lawmakers expressed concern about Abbas' comments at a hearing Tuesday to examine a Bush administration request to fund an upgrade of Pakistan's aging fleet of F-16 fighter planes.

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Responding to the concerns, Donald Camp, deputy assistant secretary of state for South Asian affairs, said: "I cannot envision a situation where we would find ourselves in a shooting situation with Pakistan."

"We are partners with Pakistan. We have been close friends for years," he said.

President Asif Ali Zardari, the newly elected successor to U.S. ally Pervez Musharraf, declined to comment on the order to use lethal force on American troops, telling reporters in London: "I don't think there will be any more" cross-border operations by the U.S.

U.S. military commanders complain Islamabad has been doing too little to prevent the Taliban and other militant groups from recruiting, training and resupplying in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt.

Pakistan acknowledges the presence of al-Qaida fugitives and its difficulties in preventing militants from seeping into Afghanistan. However, it insists it is doing what it can and paying a heavy price, pointing to its deployment of more then 100,000 troops in the increasingly restive northwest and a wave of suicide bombings across the country.

Mullen, who is on his fifth visit to Pakistan since assuming his post, intended to "discuss ongoing operations in the border region" with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and army chief Kayani, said Mullen spokesman Lt. Col. Gary Tallman.

"He has been focused keenly on working more closely with the Pakistani military to improve coordination and effectiveness in operations against extremist safe havens in the border regions," Tallman said.

American officials have confirmed U.S. forces carried out the Sept. 3 raid near the town of Angoor Ada in South Waziristan but have given few details of what happened.

Abbas said that Pakistan's military had asked for an explanation but received only a half-page of "very vague" information that failed to identify the intended target.

He said the dead all appeared to be civilians, adding: "These were truck drivers, local traders and their families."

Abbas said Pakistani officials had to consider public opinion, which is skeptical of American goals in the region and harbors sympathy for militants fighting in the name of Islam.

"Please look at the public reaction to this kind of adventure or incursion," Abbas said. "The army is also an extension of the public, and you can only satisfy the public when you match your words with your actions."

However, some analysts forecast that the consequences of alienating the United States would stay the army's hand.

"If an American soldier were to die because of Pakistani military firing that would damage the Pakistani-American relationship for years to come," said Craig Cohen, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

The threat "might stir nationalist sentiment in Pakistan and play well politically, but it's just not realistic," he said.

Pakistan's military has won American praise for a six-week offensive against militants in the Bajur tribal region that Pakistani officials say has killed 700 suspected insurgents and about 40 troops. Troops backed by warplanes killed 15 more alleged militants Tuesday, officials said.

In the same timeframe, there has been a surge in missile strikes apparently carried out by unmanned U.S. drones. Such attacks killed at least two senior al-Qaida commanders earlier this year.

All of those strikes have been well to the south of Bajur, in areas where Pakistani authorities have sought peace deals in order to gain respite from militant attacks.

Abbas said that while they were tackling the "mega-sanctuary" in Bajur, they didn't have the forces to fight militants across the tribal belt all at one time. At least two other areas have been earmarked for military operations, he said.

Jalaluddin Haqqani, a formidable Taliban commander whose relatives were reportedly among the dead in one of the recent missile attacks, was definitely in Afghanistan, he added.

Abbas denied the new order had been put into practice before dawn on Monday, when U.S. helicopters reportedly landed near Angoor Ada only to fly away after troops fired warning shots.

Abbas insisted no foreign troops had crossed the border and that "trigger-happy tribesmen" fired the shots. Pakistani troops based nearby fired flares to see what was going on, he said.

The U.S. military in Afghanistan said none of its troops were involved.

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Associated Press writers Nahal Toosi in Islamabad, Habib Khan in Khar, David Stringer in London, and Lolita Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how ...
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If one US troop gets hit cut off funding and freeze their assets in American banks. Let's see how tough they are then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 09/16/2008
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What American assets can't be replaced by Chinese assets?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 09/16/2008
- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 35 fans permalink
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Pakistan is invading you? You think there isn't a Pakistani out there tougher than you? Let's see how tough you are "Brothmadam2k". Who's killing your women and children and other family members?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 09/16/2008

VOTE McCAIN/PALIN

FOUR MORE WARS!!!! FOUR MORE WARS!!!! FOUR MORE WARS!!!! FOUR MORE WARS!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 09/16/2008

Or...VOTE McCAIN/PALIN

FOR MORE WARS!!!! FOR MORE WARS!!!! FOR MORE WARS!!!! FOR MORE WARS!!!!

Why limit them to just four?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 09/16/2008
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Why do republicans take pride in being ignorant?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 09/16/2008

P-stan should protect their sovereignty. They should also be forced to show some results for the billions of dollars they've stolen form U.S. and allies while secretly supporting Osama and Taliban who are destroying A-stan.
Reuters--- "The U.N. human rights office said the spike in fatalities had coincided with "a systematic campaign of intimidation and violence" by Taliban forces targeting doctors, teachers, students, tribal elders, civil servants, former police and military personnel and public construction workers. "

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 09/16/2008
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The Taliban is an internal Afghan group whose roots are inside Afgahanistan. They have no interest in Pakistan or anywhere else. Pakistan has no interest in the Taliban either - obviously.

While it pains me to hear about "a systematic campaign of intimidation and violence" against any people, anywhere on Earth, the solution to violence is not more violence by singular outside forces that are incapable of helping the impoverished in those countries. It makes matters worse by inflaming more violence (against those who kill innocents) because the surviving impoverished people see their deaths as an intolerable act of terrorism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 09/16/2008

I totally agree abouttime. Wish more people could.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 09/16/2008
- ouroborous I'm a Fan of ouroborous 57 fans permalink

Ahh, I get it. I was trying to figure out why this sudden re-focus on Afghanistan and the Pakistan border from BushCo. It seems counterproductive to remind our complacent public that we're actually still in *two* wars and we're in fact winning *neither of them*.

Then it hit me: they're trying to finally catch Bin Laden (or at least someone who looks enough like him to pass for him) in order to boost McCain's polls.

It's so simple...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 09/16/2008
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Whats wrong with trying to catch Oshama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 09/16/2008

Uh...you spelled that wrong! Must have been an HONEST mistake...but I doubt it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 09/16/2008
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Depends how many lives and how much money it's going to cost. Make sure you can afford it before you buy it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 09/16/2008
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Bush failed to catch him. That's what is wrong with catching Osama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 09/16/2008
- ouroborous I'm a Fan of ouroborous 57 fans permalink

Nothing's wrong with it, since he (Osama) is a Very Bad Man who needs to be caught and punished.

However, the problem is have is with the timing. How come took a six year detour through Iraq to come back to Afghanistan?

It smacks of political maneuvering more than a real desire to bring this guy to justice. And THAT, I object to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 09/17/2008
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They are not trying, they are pretending to try.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 09/16/2008

Pakistan is in complicit agreement with our activities. The Pakistani Chief of Staff just met with our Commanders on the USS Abraham the last week of August to discuss these efforts. Of course the Gov't is going to say these things to save face. What else do you expect our troops to do when they are shelled and mortared from within a mile of the Afghan border.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 09/16/2008
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I am an Obama supporter, and I also support America attacking legitimate targets inside Pakistan.
I supported the invasion of Afghanistan, and the war there has clearly been mismanaged, starting from the very opening at Tora Bora.

When this story, and the recent escalation of attacks in Pakistan started leaking, the question I asked myself is this. As our intelligence assets detect legitimate targets within Pakistan, then why are we not sharing this information with the Pakistani military so that they can take care of the problem within their own borders?

The answer seems to be: 1) Either they're unwilling to attack the targets, or 2) there are high ranking individuals within their government (possibly the ISI) who are playing both sides. I suspect it's a little of both.

America has the responsibility of bringing stability to the great nation of Afghanistan. Remember the pre-9/11 outrage when the Taliban started destroying world heritage artifacts, such as the giant Buddhas? These people needed to be dealt with, and we can not allow them to take control again. Having terrorist clowns crossing the border, killing our troops and innocent civilians, is unacceptable. I support our troops doing what needs to be done to take care of the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 09/16/2008
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I wonder what would happen if Russia decided to "AID" Pakistan right now? The administration would have a fit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

India will not let Russia side with the Pak!es!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

The Obmabots may support the Pak!es...but not the Russians!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 09/16/2008
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The US has every right to pursue Al-Qaeda and the Taliban into Pakistan, especially since the Pakistanis have not been able to clear the safe houses of the Taliban/Al-Qaeda in Pakistan or more truthfully are unwilling to do so for ideological reasons. The next nuclear device that goes off in some non-Islamic state is going to come with a Made in Pakistan/Iran tag.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 09/16/2008
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We have no right to pursue mutual nuclear destruction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 09/16/2008

Pakistan won't let our troops solve the problem?

Fine. It's their prerogative, it's their sovereignty.

It's also our money. Let's cutoff the aid to Pakistan. So far it's been going into the pockets of corrupt officials and the Taliban are having a heyday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

They don't respect other countries sovereignty (Afghanistan and India's Kashmir).. so no need to respect theirs!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 09/16/2008
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Come on now. Pakistan is a sovereign nation. Remember?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

So is Afghanistan.

Why is Pakistan sending Talibani fighters to Afghanistan and giving them cover?

Dudh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 09/16/2008
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Yet, didn't Obama say he was GOING to do search & destroy missions into Pakistan? And everybody on this blog cheered him when he said it. And didn't he say "McCain won't follow Bin laden to his cave" in giving his acceptance speech. Two things: One, if Obama knows where Bin laden's cave is, why hasn't he told our military, and Two, not so easy is it? Oh, by the way, Pakistan is about the 8th most populated nation in the world and a nuclear power. Not the piece of cake the liberals on this blog were thinking. A little more complicated then their tunnel-vision realizes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 09/16/2008
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Pakistan has never ever won a war. They lost every fight. In 1971, their country was cut in two and they surrendered to India in two weeks!

Yes...those cowards surrendered in two freaking weeks.

The Pak army has not fought anything..thats why they can't even fight with some hilly tribals who have nothing more than ak47s.

Go read up on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 09/16/2008

Bush is guilty of genocide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 09/16/2008

In a statement, U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navanetham Pillay said there was "substantial evidence" that the Taliban was seeking to intimidate and attack Afghan civilians thought to support the Afghan government, the international community and military forces."
Of course these thugs are innocent... please go back to the Palin threads and leave international discussion to adults.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 09/16/2008
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It just ticks me off that we give these people money. We should cease the aid we give them until they start showing results when fighting terrorists. I think we should be giving ourselves some aid right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 09/16/2008

Russia and China are just waiting patiently and let the Useless States attack the small countries.

Then BLAM.....sock it to them.

Big party around the world when that happens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 09/16/2008
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Surprised they havnt charged Bush with war crimes ----

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 09/16/2008
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If this isn't a world war, I don't know what is. And we're the aggressor.

How many countries can we attack and occupy at once? Will it take the complete collapse of our country and the Constitution before the "29 percenters" wake up? Taking us all down with the ship?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 09/16/2008

World war? Yes, there's a low level guerrilla world war between the West+Far East ( China, Japan) versus the oppressive militancy of radical Islam. It is happening on every continent except Antarctica ( too cold for A r a b s).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 09/16/2008
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Is that the "reasoning" you have adopted in those fifty states??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 09/16/2008
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