Pakistan troops ordered to open fire on US raiders

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STEPHEN GRAHAM | September 16, 2008 06:34 PM EST | AP

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A Pakistan soldier mans a machine gun in the troubled area of Bajur in Pakistan's tribal area Tuesday, Sept 16, 2008. Pakistan's military has ordered its forces to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, an army spokesman said Tuesday. (AP Photo/Anwarullah Khan)

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how to tackle militant havens in Pakistan's unruly border zone.

Adm. Mike Mullen, the U.S. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, arrived in Pakistan late Tuesday amid the increased tensions. Mullen planned to meet with top civilian and military leaders to discuss a range of issues, including ways to improve coordination and cooperation along the Pakistan-Afghan border.

Pakistan's government has faced rising popular anger over a Sept. 3 ground attack by U.S. commandos into South Waziristan, a base for Taliban militants killing ever more U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Pakistan says about 15 people were killed, all of them civilians.

The new firing orders were disclosed by Pakistani army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas in an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press.

Abbas said Pakistani field commanders have previously been tolerant about international forces crossing a short way into Pakistan because of the ill-defined and contested nature of the mountainous frontier.

"But after the (Sept. 3) incident, the orders are clear," Abbas said. "In case it happens again in this form, that there is a very significant detection, which is very definite, no ambiguity, across the border, on ground or in the air: open fire."

The statement was the strongest since Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's army chief, raised eyebrows last week by vowing to defend Pakistani territory "at all cost." Abbas would not say whether the orders were discussed in advance with U.S. officials.

Rep. Gary Ackerman, Democratic chair of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on South Asia, and other lawmakers expressed concern about Abbas' comments at a hearing Tuesday to examine a Bush administration request to fund an upgrade of Pakistan's aging fleet of F-16 fighter planes.

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Responding to the concerns, Donald Camp, deputy assistant secretary of state for South Asian affairs, said: "I cannot envision a situation where we would find ourselves in a shooting situation with Pakistan."

"We are partners with Pakistan. We have been close friends for years," he said.

President Asif Ali Zardari, the newly elected successor to U.S. ally Pervez Musharraf, declined to comment on the order to use lethal force on American troops, telling reporters in London: "I don't think there will be any more" cross-border operations by the U.S.

U.S. military commanders complain Islamabad has been doing too little to prevent the Taliban and other militant groups from recruiting, training and resupplying in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt.

Pakistan acknowledges the presence of al-Qaida fugitives and its difficulties in preventing militants from seeping into Afghanistan. However, it insists it is doing what it can and paying a heavy price, pointing to its deployment of more then 100,000 troops in the increasingly restive northwest and a wave of suicide bombings across the country.

Mullen, who is on his fifth visit to Pakistan since assuming his post, intended to "discuss ongoing operations in the border region" with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and army chief Kayani, said Mullen spokesman Lt. Col. Gary Tallman.

"He has been focused keenly on working more closely with the Pakistani military to improve coordination and effectiveness in operations against extremist safe havens in the border regions," Tallman said.

American officials have confirmed U.S. forces carried out the Sept. 3 raid near the town of Angoor Ada in South Waziristan but have given few details of what happened.

Abbas said that Pakistan's military had asked for an explanation but received only a half-page of "very vague" information that failed to identify the intended target.

He said the dead all appeared to be civilians, adding: "These were truck drivers, local traders and their families."

Abbas said Pakistani officials had to consider public opinion, which is skeptical of American goals in the region and harbors sympathy for militants fighting in the name of Islam.

"Please look at the public reaction to this kind of adventure or incursion," Abbas said. "The army is also an extension of the public, and you can only satisfy the public when you match your words with your actions."

However, some analysts forecast that the consequences of alienating the United States would stay the army's hand.

"If an American soldier were to die because of Pakistani military firing that would damage the Pakistani-American relationship for years to come," said Craig Cohen, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

The threat "might stir nationalist sentiment in Pakistan and play well politically, but it's just not realistic," he said.

Pakistan's military has won American praise for a six-week offensive against militants in the Bajur tribal region that Pakistani officials say has killed 700 suspected insurgents and about 40 troops. Troops backed by warplanes killed 15 more alleged militants Tuesday, officials said.

In the same timeframe, there has been a surge in missile strikes apparently carried out by unmanned U.S. drones. Such attacks killed at least two senior al-Qaida commanders earlier this year.

All of those strikes have been well to the south of Bajur, in areas where Pakistani authorities have sought peace deals in order to gain respite from militant attacks.

Abbas said that while they were tackling the "mega-sanctuary" in Bajur, they didn't have the forces to fight militants across the tribal belt all at one time. At least two other areas have been earmarked for military operations, he said.

Jalaluddin Haqqani, a formidable Taliban commander whose relatives were reportedly among the dead in one of the recent missile attacks, was definitely in Afghanistan, he added.

Abbas denied the new order had been put into practice before dawn on Monday, when U.S. helicopters reportedly landed near Angoor Ada only to fly away after troops fired warning shots.

Abbas insisted no foreign troops had crossed the border and that "trigger-happy tribesmen" fired the shots. Pakistani troops based nearby fired flares to see what was going on, he said.

The U.S. military in Afghanistan said none of its troops were involved.

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Associated Press writers Nahal Toosi in Islamabad, Habib Khan in Khar, David Stringer in London, and Lolita Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how ...
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- Ginger5 I'm a Fan of Ginger5 3 fans permalink

This is a great sign because if there are Pakistani troops at the border to dissuade US incursions then they must also be responsible for preventing incursions into AFganistan by the taliban et alia

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 09/16/2008
- JiminNC I'm a Fan of JiminNC 296 fans permalink
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Hey, Georgie is going to get a bonus war! Are we lucky or what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 09/16/2008
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I'm sick to my stomach. Look at this: 4 more years of secrecy, corruption, war, death, debt.....I can't live in this country if we don't have change. OBAMA AND RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7yDbwWNCUc

This is a must watch. Please spread this to every American you know. People need to know that the ticket the GOP picked is a serious warmonger ticket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 09/16/2008
- ramal I'm a Fan of ramal 77 fans permalink
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It's called an attack on a sovereign nation, why wouldn't they retaliate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 09/16/2008
- iblis I'm a Fan of iblis 2 fans permalink

The fact that Pakistan hosts terrorists who are hell bent on attacking the US, gives the US the right to attack those areas, especially since Pakistan is not able to or does not want to clear those areas of the Taliban.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 09/16/2008
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What nation is supposed to allow foreign military to behave in the manner that the US has done. We dont learn from history. India/Pakistan has a long and proud military tradition going back thousands of years. My dad was in the British Army and he was in W.W. II, he say's that the Indian, muslim troop were some of the toughest most devoted, fanatical warriors. If we wish tpo stop the recruitmenmt stops in Pakistan. If we get out of Afghanistan, then we make then lose the incentive that foolish uneducatred poor use in order to give their miserable lives a purpose. But as long as we are there poor islamic fools will answer an un-rightous calling. Afghanistan cant be counquered. No one has been able to do it, ask the Persians of antiquity, modern British nor U.S. led coalitions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 09/16/2008

"What nation is supposed to allow foreign military to behave in the manner that the US has done"

Well, Pakistan does. It allows and encourages foreign Al Qaeda and Taliban paramilitary units to maintain bases, supply lines, bring in recruits from all over the world. While it watches idly when these non-Pakistani thugs cross into A-stan to wreck havoc upon that country. But hey, these are brother Mu slims, so it's OK .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 09/16/2008

I WONDER WHAT INDIA THINKS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 09/16/2008
- Whinger I'm a Fan of Whinger 48 fans permalink
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Well they have to protect Osama Bin Laden from the aggression of George W.

Now perhaps America will realise Pakistan was never their true friend and ally!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 09/16/2008

P-stan never was an ally and never be one. The country is run a toxic combination of Al Qaeda infiltrated secret service and klepto-theocratic government. Just compare India and P-stan--- same area, similar resources but only India achieved true democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 09/16/2008
- wotcanisay I'm a Fan of wotcanisay 6 fans permalink

It is the myopia of the US Govt which is the problem.

The US Govt was WRONG in trusting Pakistan on 9/13/01.

It boggles the mind that after providing support and succour to the Taliban and the Terrorists fully and completely until 9/11 can suddenly turn around 180 degrees and support the US fight against Terrorism.

It must represent the most incredible "hearts and minds change" - just two days?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 09/16/2008

The Taliban were CIA trained, who's turning 180?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 09/16/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

The newly-installed President of Pakistan will not last too long, there will be another Coup with the Military and the Fundamentalist in an unholy alliance. Pakistan is lost to the West.
Start timing how long the widower lasts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 09/16/2008

widower suggests sympathy, i think crook or illiterate puppet would be more accurate...good riddance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 09/16/2008
- rich3324 I'm a Fan of rich3324 23 fans permalink
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Didn’t Obama say if we had actionable intelligence we should conduct raids inside Pakistan and McBush said he was naive? Didn’t Obama say we should have a time line for leaving Iraq and Bush and his evil uncle Scrooge McDuck called him an appeaser? Now Bush and Iraq are working out a timeline for leaving Iraq. Now tell me again, how the GOP is going to protect us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

Pakistan Is the Problem
And Barack Obama seems to be the only candidate willing to face it.

http://www.slate.com/id/2200134/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 09/16/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 737 fans permalink
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well, it's nice of you to support him. but, you need to quit attacking liberals. obama is liberal compared to the bushies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

I am a liberal too..But a liberal with some responsibility. thats why Hillary was my choice..If I can't have her..then a moderate Mc Ca!in.

From the Obama supporters here (Pak ISI/Talbani cheerleaders), why should any decent American vote for Oshama!

All you have to do is read the posts here that cheerleads the enemy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 09/16/2008
- greginwva I'm a Fan of greginwva 3 fans permalink
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Is Hitchens right about Obama being right?I thought Obama was naive.Is it the dummy or the rummy who's right here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 09/16/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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I'm glad to see the 20 billion a year we give the Pakistanis is serving us so well. Super. We need Joe Biden and his skills at diplomacy to talk to the new regime in Islamabad so we can get troops into Pakistan. Get the ISI to secure the cities so when we put SPF boots on the ground in Waziristan they can't run that far.

Of course John McCain has a secret plan for catching BinLaden that he can't tell us about until he's President, hahahahaha. What a laughable little old kook McCain is. Maybe the plan was devised by his 6 foot tall rabbit friend Harvey.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 09/16/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 737 fans permalink
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mccain plans to follow OBL to the border areas of iraq/sweden. when he has him in his grasp, he will shake the 'shiite',[not sunni], outta him. then he will restup in house # 4, before taking a well-deserved vacation at condos #8 and #9. in the meantime ,palin will be distracting the russian 'bear', by taking potshots at em from her back porch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 09/16/2008

THANKS TO INEPT NEOCONS,WHO WERE ONLY LOOKING FOR A BUCK,IN THE DEBACLE THAT IS IRAQ,PAKISTAN IS WHERE THE FIGHT SHOULD HAVE STARTED .ALL THAT WASTED AND STOLEN MONEY AND BLOOD FOR WHAT?OUR TROOPS DIED FOR NOTHING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 09/16/2008
- pahpah25 I'm a Fan of pahpah25 6 fans permalink

PEOPLE ARE INCLINED TO FORGET THAT NO-ONE LIKES A FORIEGN ARMY ON THEIR SOIL...NOT EVEN PAKISTANIS.......NO-ONE LIKES FORIEGN 'DRONES' BLOWING UP THEIR CITIZENS....THE MILITARY IS INCLINED TO FORGET, PAKISTAN IS WELL ARMED AND THEY WILL SHOOT BACK....THE MACHO BLUSTER OF AMERICAN MILITARY LEADERS WILL BE PAID FOR WITH THE BLOOD OF THE SOLDIERS....WHILE THE GENERALS SIT IN THE COMFY CHAIRS PLAYING WITH THEIR 'DRONES'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 09/16/2008

So why are they not in a huff about Bin Ladin's Al Qaeda?!? not a foreign enough army?

Seriously, I am no war monger but Obama is right- if we have intelligence that Osama is in cave X we CAN NOT risk asking pretty please of the highly Taliban infiltrated army of pakistan that seems determined to protect him. We take him out.

We should immed cut off all aid to pakistan and recall our embassadors. Yes it sucks roayally that we have killed innocents there, but do not put it past al qaeda to stage that.

Regardless - pakistan is NO ALLY if they shield OBL.

Unfortuantely the foolish war in iraq has our hands tied, becuase Pak. and Saudi Arabia are the real terror sponsers.

NOw all this is assuming 9/11 was not an inside job, and as the investigation into that was by all accounts a sham - we do not really know who is responsible.

But there is no concevable reason for us to no go after OBL - pakistani indignation be damned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 09/16/2008
- FirstShirt I'm a Fan of FirstShirt 66 fans permalink

Launching an attack on american troops is what servicemembers used to call your last official act.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 09/16/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 737 fans permalink
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pakistan knows better. nukes or not ,they know they cant stand up to us. if they harbor bin laden ,they better move aside.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 09/16/2008

Before that happens, We have to show that we are serious about getting OBL. But for the last seven years we've been anything but.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 09/16/2008

I trust that when and if they do fire on our forces, we will respond with some Hellfires from about a dozen Apaches. We should respect the sovereignty of nations, but if their sovereignty is protecting the forces of Bin Laden and the Taliban, then they have become our enemy. If that is the way they want to play it, then it is ON. Particularly in the light of the billions of dollars in arms, training and expertise we have invested in them over the last few years. We've spent our national treasure to help keep their behinds alive and now they are willing to fire on us? I dare you!!

I am no fan of Bush. He was/is a p unk for not going into Pakistan and Afghanistan and doing what should have been done from the beginning. He talked a lot of junk but played the lilly-livered diplomatic games with Pakistan instead of taking care of the real business. To those flag-waving, USA chanting minions of the Repubs, don't cower behind the failed military policies of Bush/Cheney/Neocons. Grow a REAL pair and let's go get that p unk Bin Laden, who murdered almost 3,000 of us and laughed about it. Obama says he would go after them wherever they are. SUpport Obama for the real results we need. That is real steel in the backbone, not the jellyback, s issified approach that allowed Bin Laden to escape while we tore up Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 09/16/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 107 fans permalink

Actually, there's GOOD evidence that Osama Bin Laden _didn't_ mastermind the September 11, 2001 attacks.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 09/16/2008
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