Pakistan troops ordered to open fire on US raiders

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STEPHEN GRAHAM | September 16, 2008 06:34 PM EST | AP

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A Pakistan soldier mans a machine gun in the troubled area of Bajur in Pakistan's tribal area Tuesday, Sept 16, 2008. Pakistan's military has ordered its forces to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, an army spokesman said Tuesday. (AP Photo/Anwarullah Khan)

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how to tackle militant havens in Pakistan's unruly border zone.

Adm. Mike Mullen, the U.S. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, arrived in Pakistan late Tuesday amid the increased tensions. Mullen planned to meet with top civilian and military leaders to discuss a range of issues, including ways to improve coordination and cooperation along the Pakistan-Afghan border.

Pakistan's government has faced rising popular anger over a Sept. 3 ground attack by U.S. commandos into South Waziristan, a base for Taliban militants killing ever more U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Pakistan says about 15 people were killed, all of them civilians.

The new firing orders were disclosed by Pakistani army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas in an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press.

Abbas said Pakistani field commanders have previously been tolerant about international forces crossing a short way into Pakistan because of the ill-defined and contested nature of the mountainous frontier.

"But after the (Sept. 3) incident, the orders are clear," Abbas said. "In case it happens again in this form, that there is a very significant detection, which is very definite, no ambiguity, across the border, on ground or in the air: open fire."

The statement was the strongest since Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's army chief, raised eyebrows last week by vowing to defend Pakistani territory "at all cost." Abbas would not say whether the orders were discussed in advance with U.S. officials.

Rep. Gary Ackerman, Democratic chair of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on South Asia, and other lawmakers expressed concern about Abbas' comments at a hearing Tuesday to examine a Bush administration request to fund an upgrade of Pakistan's aging fleet of F-16 fighter planes.

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Responding to the concerns, Donald Camp, deputy assistant secretary of state for South Asian affairs, said: "I cannot envision a situation where we would find ourselves in a shooting situation with Pakistan."

"We are partners with Pakistan. We have been close friends for years," he said.

President Asif Ali Zardari, the newly elected successor to U.S. ally Pervez Musharraf, declined to comment on the order to use lethal force on American troops, telling reporters in London: "I don't think there will be any more" cross-border operations by the U.S.

U.S. military commanders complain Islamabad has been doing too little to prevent the Taliban and other militant groups from recruiting, training and resupplying in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt.

Pakistan acknowledges the presence of al-Qaida fugitives and its difficulties in preventing militants from seeping into Afghanistan. However, it insists it is doing what it can and paying a heavy price, pointing to its deployment of more then 100,000 troops in the increasingly restive northwest and a wave of suicide bombings across the country.

Mullen, who is on his fifth visit to Pakistan since assuming his post, intended to "discuss ongoing operations in the border region" with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and army chief Kayani, said Mullen spokesman Lt. Col. Gary Tallman.

"He has been focused keenly on working more closely with the Pakistani military to improve coordination and effectiveness in operations against extremist safe havens in the border regions," Tallman said.

American officials have confirmed U.S. forces carried out the Sept. 3 raid near the town of Angoor Ada in South Waziristan but have given few details of what happened.

Abbas said that Pakistan's military had asked for an explanation but received only a half-page of "very vague" information that failed to identify the intended target.

He said the dead all appeared to be civilians, adding: "These were truck drivers, local traders and their families."

Abbas said Pakistani officials had to consider public opinion, which is skeptical of American goals in the region and harbors sympathy for militants fighting in the name of Islam.

"Please look at the public reaction to this kind of adventure or incursion," Abbas said. "The army is also an extension of the public, and you can only satisfy the public when you match your words with your actions."

However, some analysts forecast that the consequences of alienating the United States would stay the army's hand.

"If an American soldier were to die because of Pakistani military firing that would damage the Pakistani-American relationship for years to come," said Craig Cohen, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

The threat "might stir nationalist sentiment in Pakistan and play well politically, but it's just not realistic," he said.

Pakistan's military has won American praise for a six-week offensive against militants in the Bajur tribal region that Pakistani officials say has killed 700 suspected insurgents and about 40 troops. Troops backed by warplanes killed 15 more alleged militants Tuesday, officials said.

In the same timeframe, there has been a surge in missile strikes apparently carried out by unmanned U.S. drones. Such attacks killed at least two senior al-Qaida commanders earlier this year.

All of those strikes have been well to the south of Bajur, in areas where Pakistani authorities have sought peace deals in order to gain respite from militant attacks.

Abbas said that while they were tackling the "mega-sanctuary" in Bajur, they didn't have the forces to fight militants across the tribal belt all at one time. At least two other areas have been earmarked for military operations, he said.

Jalaluddin Haqqani, a formidable Taliban commander whose relatives were reportedly among the dead in one of the recent missile attacks, was definitely in Afghanistan, he added.

Abbas denied the new order had been put into practice before dawn on Monday, when U.S. helicopters reportedly landed near Angoor Ada only to fly away after troops fired warning shots.

Abbas insisted no foreign troops had crossed the border and that "trigger-happy tribesmen" fired the shots. Pakistani troops based nearby fired flares to see what was going on, he said.

The U.S. military in Afghanistan said none of its troops were involved.

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Associated Press writers Nahal Toosi in Islamabad, Habib Khan in Khar, David Stringer in London, and Lolita Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

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- honeydiva I'm a Fan of honeydiva 19 fans permalink

I guess they are just not that into the bush doctrine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 09/16/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 745 fans permalink
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they dont like cowboys messin with their cows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 09/16/2008

Did anyone tell our military that pakistan has atomic bombs and missiles which can deliver them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 09/16/2008
- FogBelter I'm a Fan of FogBelter 296 fans permalink
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Since the leadership of the US Military is infested with End-timers ... they probably find that fact enticing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

Ah..another liberals..who wants to surrender! LOL :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 09/16/2008
- Babzter I'm a Fan of Babzter 23 fans permalink
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I guess you would rather be "right" and glow in the dark.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 09/16/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 745 fans permalink
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ur just looking for a reason to attack liberals. you could care less about the discussion ,here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 09/16/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 745 fans permalink
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ur more against libs than you are terrorists. must be a republican. divisive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 09/16/2008

why dont you go back to where your from and play with the cows**t

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 09/16/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 745 fans permalink
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they would never use them on us or our troops. pakistan is not dumb enough to use nukes on us for going after the world's most wanted terrorist, if he's found on their soil. that's like fearing iran. neither iran or pakistan want to be bombed into the stone age.
i think obama would use a comprehensive approach, of working with the new government in pakistan, more closely to combine forces with them against the 'radicals'. it's bush's failure in tactics with his buddy,musharraf, that is raising tensions. i think obama would use diplomatic measures with pakistan and win their support for bringing the radicals down. the fact is ,the new government doesnt like the terrorists either, but they dont want us, unilaterily running around their country killing civilians, in the process of getting OBL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 09/16/2008
- grf67 I'm a Fan of grf67 40 fans permalink

So we have attacked another soverign country and we are surprised that they fired back? What would we do if Canada attacked across our northern border? It's good that war crimes have no statute of limitations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 09/16/2008
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 96 fans permalink
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Here comes WAR #3. It is no mystery as to why they have harbouring bin laden all these years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 09/16/2008
- FogBelter I'm a Fan of FogBelter 296 fans permalink
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This would be a far different war, however, because unlike Afghanistan and Iraq, Pakistan has a functioning military.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 09/16/2008
- mabinog I'm a Fan of mabinog 40 fans permalink
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See, this is what happens when you don't have a paid-off tyrant in your pocket. You just can't do anything. Silly sovereignity anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 09/16/2008

POOR CINDY McCAIN HER JOHNNY BOY HAS A NEW C - - T

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 09/16/2008

THE ONLY WAY TO GO IN 08 VOTE ( OBAMA )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

Ah...Lookie here..L!berals are are rooting for the 3nemy yet again?
Look you fre@ks...Pakistan is the ep!center of Terr0risim.

We were only pretending when we said that they are our "WOT ally". That was a strategic movie to make them do what we wanted them to do ..to clean up Tal!ban and AQ in their country.

That was not successful.. Now, we have a civilian govt in Pak who is being bullied by the Pak Army/ISITaliban nexis.. so we need to fight them

Did you understand that, you dumdfks?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 09/16/2008
- Babzter I'm a Fan of Babzter 23 fans permalink
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Amazing! I am so impressed by your grasp of complex global and foreign policy issues. I'm sure McCain will tap you as an advisor. You could point out the correct borders to him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 09/16/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 745 fans permalink
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lol!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 09/16/2008
- FogBelter I'm a Fan of FogBelter 296 fans permalink
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Manni, Pakistan is a nuclear power with long range missile delivery systems ... so try to develop a bit of common sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 09/16/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

Ah..so you want to surrender!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 09/16/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 745 fans permalink
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not really. your spelling and word structure is confusing. kinda lika a puzzle. i'll study it some more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 09/16/2008
- RedneckDem I'm a Fan of RedneckDem 87 fans permalink
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Your lack of understanding may be worse than McCains.
The mountain regions of Pakistan have really never been under any authority and have been left alone, for the most part, by Pakistan proper. The tribes in that area swear no allegiance to anyone, including the democratically elected gov't of Pakistan, who, like so many others gone by the wayside, has been our ally in the war on terrorism. We've sold them arms and nuclear technology. We are quickly finding out that we can't "make" any country do something they don't or may not want to do, especially with the stick. With that said, its THEIR country, not ours. They, for the most part, are not our enemy.

The fact that you think we should take on the Pakistani army shows what a nutjob you are. We can't even take care of business in Afghanistan, let alone fight another larger, more organized army (with nukes). There's ways to get what we want without starting another stupid war with another ex-ally.

The real enemy in this world are nutjobs like yourself. Go enlist, please...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 09/16/2008

Manni, it wasn't a liberal administration that covered up Pakistani involvement with 9/11, including the $100,000 sent by the head of the ISI to Mohammed Atta. It wasn't a liberal administration that tried for years to get Musharraf to act against the Taliban, despite knowing that Musharraf and his generals supported al Qaeda and the Taliban more than they supported the U.S. It was Bushco that wasted all these years and efforts. Now, Bushco pulls some half-assed stunts that are acts of war against Pakistan. Does your wingnut administration have a plan, or is it just running headlong in the dark, as usual?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 09/16/2008
- Rictracee I'm a Fan of Rictracee 140 fans permalink
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One thing for sure.. AMERICA CAN NOT FIGHT THE WORLD.. we can not have wars going on in 3 and 4 countrys.. now this crap they were talking about with Russia is definently a pipe dream.. If Russia really wants to go into Georgia.. they can , because we do not have the military power to stop them. I do not know where the neocons think we getting military from? its a running joke.. I can see the draft being inevitable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 09/16/2008
- thirteen13 I'm a Fan of thirteen13 3 fans permalink

Sure we can. We will continue with the Republicans, implement the military draft and men and women will drafted. Women want equal rights, draft women into the military. They can have the pleasure of a president Palin sending them off to war.

John McCain will resign for health reasons.

How is your retirement portfolio doing? How much war debt will your future generations have to pay off. Vote Republican and you know what is happening now will continue. Vote for any other Polictical Party and you know things will change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 09/16/2008

LOOKS LIKE THE DIXIE CHICKS WERE RIGHT ABOUT GEORGE BUSH AND JOHN McCAIN THEY DO SUCKS VOTE OBAMA 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 09/16/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 745 fans permalink
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lol! they do sucks! hahahaha! too funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 09/16/2008
- RedneckDem I'm a Fan of RedneckDem 87 fans permalink
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This is a perfect example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Even though the current administration has caused this, they will go on the offensive and say how dangerous the world is and that we should vote McCain in to protect us.
The sad thing is that we trained them and they are using some American made arms. Just like Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Isreal, Afghanistan, etc... Nothing like American troops getting killed by arms made in the good ole US of A.
All over some dead dinosaur juice or pipelines.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 09/16/2008
- nirek I'm a Fan of nirek 109 fans permalink
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Gos save and bless America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 09/16/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 745 fans permalink
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GOS SAVE US ALL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 09/16/2008
- repuglycon I'm a Fan of repuglycon 2 fans permalink
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At last the real war that should have started after 9/11 instead of Iraq is starting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 09/16/2008
- NeoStar9 I'm a Fan of NeoStar9 15 fans permalink

Pakistan isn't stupid. It's clear Bush is trying to speed up capture of Bin Laden in order to help McCain win the election. Something he should have done years ago but only now that it's politically needed. Good for Pakistan to defend itself. Bush is playing with fire by taking these actions. He should have gotten the job done at the very beginning instead of helping his friends get richer.

It isn't Iran we need to worry about going to war with but Pakistan. Keep this up and they will retaliate with full force. They'd also be will within their right to do so. Don't expect any other countries to aid us either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 09/16/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 77 fans permalink

Finally, someone has the guts to say enough. I always wondered how our attacks in Pakistan
were justified. Isn't that declaring war when one sends in troops?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 09/16/2008
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Agreed. We cannot expect anyone to react any differently than we would.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 09/16/2008

The reason why they can say enough is because they got nuclear bombs and this is why so many countries like Iran want to have nuclear bombs, that is to keep american out of their affairs. How would you feel if another country would come in yours anytime it want's and tell you what to do, treatening to attack you if you don't comply? Certainly you would be pissed as if your neighbord would walk into your home and abuse your wife and you would not be able to do anything about it because he would have a gun in hand and you would have a spoon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 09/16/2008
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