Pakistan troops ordered to open fire on US raiders

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STEPHEN GRAHAM | September 16, 2008 06:34 PM EST | AP

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A Pakistan soldier mans a machine gun in the troubled area of Bajur in Pakistan's tribal area Tuesday, Sept 16, 2008. Pakistan's military has ordered its forces to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, an army spokesman said Tuesday. (AP Photo/Anwarullah Khan)

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how to tackle militant havens in Pakistan's unruly border zone.

Adm. Mike Mullen, the U.S. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, arrived in Pakistan late Tuesday amid the increased tensions. Mullen planned to meet with top civilian and military leaders to discuss a range of issues, including ways to improve coordination and cooperation along the Pakistan-Afghan border.

Pakistan's government has faced rising popular anger over a Sept. 3 ground attack by U.S. commandos into South Waziristan, a base for Taliban militants killing ever more U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Pakistan says about 15 people were killed, all of them civilians.

The new firing orders were disclosed by Pakistani army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas in an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press.

Abbas said Pakistani field commanders have previously been tolerant about international forces crossing a short way into Pakistan because of the ill-defined and contested nature of the mountainous frontier.

"But after the (Sept. 3) incident, the orders are clear," Abbas said. "In case it happens again in this form, that there is a very significant detection, which is very definite, no ambiguity, across the border, on ground or in the air: open fire."

The statement was the strongest since Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's army chief, raised eyebrows last week by vowing to defend Pakistani territory "at all cost." Abbas would not say whether the orders were discussed in advance with U.S. officials.

Rep. Gary Ackerman, Democratic chair of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on South Asia, and other lawmakers expressed concern about Abbas' comments at a hearing Tuesday to examine a Bush administration request to fund an upgrade of Pakistan's aging fleet of F-16 fighter planes.

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Responding to the concerns, Donald Camp, deputy assistant secretary of state for South Asian affairs, said: "I cannot envision a situation where we would find ourselves in a shooting situation with Pakistan."

"We are partners with Pakistan. We have been close friends for years," he said.

President Asif Ali Zardari, the newly elected successor to U.S. ally Pervez Musharraf, declined to comment on the order to use lethal force on American troops, telling reporters in London: "I don't think there will be any more" cross-border operations by the U.S.

U.S. military commanders complain Islamabad has been doing too little to prevent the Taliban and other militant groups from recruiting, training and resupplying in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt.

Pakistan acknowledges the presence of al-Qaida fugitives and its difficulties in preventing militants from seeping into Afghanistan. However, it insists it is doing what it can and paying a heavy price, pointing to its deployment of more then 100,000 troops in the increasingly restive northwest and a wave of suicide bombings across the country.

Mullen, who is on his fifth visit to Pakistan since assuming his post, intended to "discuss ongoing operations in the border region" with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and army chief Kayani, said Mullen spokesman Lt. Col. Gary Tallman.

"He has been focused keenly on working more closely with the Pakistani military to improve coordination and effectiveness in operations against extremist safe havens in the border regions," Tallman said.

American officials have confirmed U.S. forces carried out the Sept. 3 raid near the town of Angoor Ada in South Waziristan but have given few details of what happened.

Abbas said that Pakistan's military had asked for an explanation but received only a half-page of "very vague" information that failed to identify the intended target.

He said the dead all appeared to be civilians, adding: "These were truck drivers, local traders and their families."

Abbas said Pakistani officials had to consider public opinion, which is skeptical of American goals in the region and harbors sympathy for militants fighting in the name of Islam.

"Please look at the public reaction to this kind of adventure or incursion," Abbas said. "The army is also an extension of the public, and you can only satisfy the public when you match your words with your actions."

However, some analysts forecast that the consequences of alienating the United States would stay the army's hand.

"If an American soldier were to die because of Pakistani military firing that would damage the Pakistani-American relationship for years to come," said Craig Cohen, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

The threat "might stir nationalist sentiment in Pakistan and play well politically, but it's just not realistic," he said.

Pakistan's military has won American praise for a six-week offensive against militants in the Bajur tribal region that Pakistani officials say has killed 700 suspected insurgents and about 40 troops. Troops backed by warplanes killed 15 more alleged militants Tuesday, officials said.

In the same timeframe, there has been a surge in missile strikes apparently carried out by unmanned U.S. drones. Such attacks killed at least two senior al-Qaida commanders earlier this year.

All of those strikes have been well to the south of Bajur, in areas where Pakistani authorities have sought peace deals in order to gain respite from militant attacks.

Abbas said that while they were tackling the "mega-sanctuary" in Bajur, they didn't have the forces to fight militants across the tribal belt all at one time. At least two other areas have been earmarked for military operations, he said.

Jalaluddin Haqqani, a formidable Taliban commander whose relatives were reportedly among the dead in one of the recent missile attacks, was definitely in Afghanistan, he added.

Abbas denied the new order had been put into practice before dawn on Monday, when U.S. helicopters reportedly landed near Angoor Ada only to fly away after troops fired warning shots.

Abbas insisted no foreign troops had crossed the border and that "trigger-happy tribesmen" fired the shots. Pakistani troops based nearby fired flares to see what was going on, he said.

The U.S. military in Afghanistan said none of its troops were involved.

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Associated Press writers Nahal Toosi in Islamabad, Habib Khan in Khar, David Stringer in London, and Lolita Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how ...
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- LORISNJ I'm a Fan of LORISNJ 37 fans permalink
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I think this calls for dramatic action by our government. Bush needs to withhold some of the billions we have been sending to Pakistan to hold up their government. Don't withhold everything - they do have nukes you know.

Thanks Bush - McCain will be a lovely surrogate for the Neocons, deregulating everything that effects goods and services to Americans and privatizing everything else.

Raise your hand if you think that the '08 elections will be fair? Anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 09/16/2008

This just means more dead Pakistani's, and maybe a few of us (they cannot compare with us militarily, but everybody gets lucky sometimes). My guess is that it's a bluff to save face in the Islamic world, the Pakistani troops know what the result will be should they choose this path.

stopthinkthenact The Pakistani's are riddled with Taliban supporters, and every time they are included in the planning for a cross-border raid it gets leaked to the locals. I wish you were right, it would be easier (and better internationally), but the last 5 years have proved me right time and again.

I liked the Pakistani's I've met, they are people just like us, so I hope this doesn't happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 09/16/2008
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Imagine if another nation did this to us.
Imagine if Canada had a raid and came across our borders.
Or Mexico!?

It is amazing how American foreign policy is still predicated
on the idea that no one can challenge us.

Ron Paul is squirming somewhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 09/16/2008

Well, one thing for sure is that Canada would never make a raid in the USA because it would need to have a sizable army to begin with.

Also, don't be surprised! This is the amercan way with the republicans. For instance, the USA are flying nuclear material over canadian cities without asking the permission and without even noticing the canadian authorities. The USA says it has allies but the truth is that the US stands alone in the world for treating it's allies like if they were their ennemies or simply like they can simply do whatever they want because of it's military power. USA is always spying on its supposed allies, perhaps even more than it is spying on it's real ennemies. Therefore, it is really hypocritical of the USA to even begin to criticize Russia or any other country for that matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 09/16/2008
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I completely agree.

January 19th - the return of hope.

OBAMA/BIDEN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 09/16/2008

Im so riled! Why are my comments not appearing? Just because I damned US war hungry policies???? The Pakistanis should teach you a lessson...­..remember they have 'nucular' weapons too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 09/16/2008
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You make a good point in that we must remember what is at stake in this election.

"...It's not just abortion, people! Shut up about Sarah Palin already! We are provoking people with nuclear weapons. We may not have a country left in which to debate the damn abortion issue..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 09/16/2008

What a stupid idea to send US troops into Pakistan illegally. Oddly enough, the Pakistanis don't like violations of their sovereignty even in weakly controlled areas. But it is always so much easier to say what one would command then to actually do something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 09/16/2008
- superlive I'm a Fan of superlive 4 fans permalink

The Pakistanis have been sending troops into India illegally for ages, so what of it? If the US ran in and grabbed Osama one day and the operation only took up a few hours, I don't think Pakistan would raise too big a fuss. It's the way we always go in and kill a bunch of people who aren't either OBL or Dr. Z, that pisses the locals off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 09/16/2008
- Oldbuck I'm a Fan of Oldbuck 8 fans permalink
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Had we not been bogged down in Iraq for the last five years we would not have to worry about whether our actions open up another front in this war . But we better damn well have Intel that we are going to do some good if you are not going to alert Pakistan when we go in. Another blunder when we can't stand anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 09/16/2008

The U.S. cannot stop people from crossing its own northern and southern borders. How do they expect to do it in Pakistan?

The root of the problem is Israel, their settlements, their treatment of the Palestinian people and their refusal to want to make peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 09/16/2008
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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Don't blame them. Put yourself in somebody else's position once in awhile, instead of believing this criminal that stole the Presidency. Empire building broke the British. It broke Rome. It's breaking us right now, yet religious kooks think this is gawd's plan. I'd move to Canada, but Bush/McCain are probably going to invade it shortly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 09/16/2008

I hear ya. I've told several people that if McCain gets in I will start looking at other countries to live in. He will just drag us into more war and continue the decline of America. Why on earth do people support him? Sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 09/16/2008
- ex-pat I'm a Fan of ex-pat 19 fans permalink

I moved 8 years ago as I promised myself when Bush was elected... if McCain is elected I will renounce my citizenship. I still miss the country I grew up in but will never go back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 09/16/2008

This is worrying to say the least. McBush might want to revise his little war cry from 'Bomb bomb bomb Iran' to 'Bomb bomb bomb Pakistan' to fire up the redneck christian rabble for his October surpise. When will the US learn? Hopefully before its too late in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 09/16/2008
- BethStuart I'm a Fan of BethStuart 13 fans permalink

It looks like the Bush regime nearly made it out of town before the bills came due on foreign policy and on the economy.

At least the American people will have the chance to show their feelings about the last eight years come November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 09/16/2008
- gr8abz I'm a Fan of gr8abz 4 fans permalink

Being honest. I am an Obama Democrat who detests the Neocon Liars, but here I feel a bit split. If the Paks don't do a better job at busting up Bin Laden's clubhouse, then I think our survival depends on TCB. Hard and fast. And somebody's gotta nail Uncle Bin too! That is long overdue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 09/16/2008
- brutus948 I'm a Fan of brutus948 5 fans permalink

Palin has got it under control. Beleive in lipstick :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 09/16/2008
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This is what happens when we pick and choose which dictator to support and which dictator to destroy?

The hypocrisy of the Bush administration sending billions of dollars to a military dictator in Pakistan and sending bombs to a military dictator in Iraq is mind boggling.

Apparently the neocons can justify just about anything, supporting a tyrannical government that either assassinates opposition leaders or removes justices from their bench, claiming they are our allies in the fight against terrorists?

This is the type of incomprehensible double speak that gets us into trouble.

And John McCain supported every action taken by the Bush administration, the only areas where they disagreed was in the amount of troops being deployed not whether or not they should or should not be sent into an unnecessary war in Iraq.

Obama/Biden

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 09/16/2008
- nirek I'm a Fan of nirek 90 fans permalink
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Well said, but you forgot that Mcbush wanted to go into Iraq even more then bush did. Mcbush is nothing more then more of the same.

VOTE OBAMA/ BIDEN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 09/16/2008
- ex-pat I'm a Fan of ex-pat 19 fans permalink

Hey, Sarah... this is that pesky "Bush Doctrine"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 09/16/2008

Look guys. US needs to go through a proper channel, that is through Pakistan's government to tackle this problem and press them more. Simply attacking inside their border without any prior discussion with them will unfortunately fuel lot of anger. Pakistan is already losing on average 5-10 soldiers/p­olicemen/c­itizens per day for a war that had nothing to do with them to start with. Their misfortune is that their borders are not secure enough to stop wrong people from coming in through their border and they are paying having price for it. US needs to first of all appreciate efforts of Pakistan, and secondly have open, honest and frank dialog with them. I am sure Pak will continue to cooperate. Offer them something, and ask something back in return. Simple philosophy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 09/16/2008

Very nice ... Hope other American understand this too..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 09/16/2008
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