Pakistan troops ordered to open fire on US raiders

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STEPHEN GRAHAM | September 16, 2008 06:34 PM EST | AP

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A Pakistan soldier mans a machine gun in the troubled area of Bajur in Pakistan's tribal area Tuesday, Sept 16, 2008. Pakistan's military has ordered its forces to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, an army spokesman said Tuesday. (AP Photo/Anwarullah Khan)

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how to tackle militant havens in Pakistan's unruly border zone.

Adm. Mike Mullen, the U.S. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, arrived in Pakistan late Tuesday amid the increased tensions. Mullen planned to meet with top civilian and military leaders to discuss a range of issues, including ways to improve coordination and cooperation along the Pakistan-Afghan border.

Pakistan's government has faced rising popular anger over a Sept. 3 ground attack by U.S. commandos into South Waziristan, a base for Taliban militants killing ever more U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Pakistan says about 15 people were killed, all of them civilians.

The new firing orders were disclosed by Pakistani army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas in an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press.

Abbas said Pakistani field commanders have previously been tolerant about international forces crossing a short way into Pakistan because of the ill-defined and contested nature of the mountainous frontier.

"But after the (Sept. 3) incident, the orders are clear," Abbas said. "In case it happens again in this form, that there is a very significant detection, which is very definite, no ambiguity, across the border, on ground or in the air: open fire."

The statement was the strongest since Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's army chief, raised eyebrows last week by vowing to defend Pakistani territory "at all cost." Abbas would not say whether the orders were discussed in advance with U.S. officials.

Rep. Gary Ackerman, Democratic chair of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on South Asia, and other lawmakers expressed concern about Abbas' comments at a hearing Tuesday to examine a Bush administration request to fund an upgrade of Pakistan's aging fleet of F-16 fighter planes.

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Responding to the concerns, Donald Camp, deputy assistant secretary of state for South Asian affairs, said: "I cannot envision a situation where we would find ourselves in a shooting situation with Pakistan."

"We are partners with Pakistan. We have been close friends for years," he said.

President Asif Ali Zardari, the newly elected successor to U.S. ally Pervez Musharraf, declined to comment on the order to use lethal force on American troops, telling reporters in London: "I don't think there will be any more" cross-border operations by the U.S.

U.S. military commanders complain Islamabad has been doing too little to prevent the Taliban and other militant groups from recruiting, training and resupplying in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt.

Pakistan acknowledges the presence of al-Qaida fugitives and its difficulties in preventing militants from seeping into Afghanistan. However, it insists it is doing what it can and paying a heavy price, pointing to its deployment of more then 100,000 troops in the increasingly restive northwest and a wave of suicide bombings across the country.

Mullen, who is on his fifth visit to Pakistan since assuming his post, intended to "discuss ongoing operations in the border region" with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and army chief Kayani, said Mullen spokesman Lt. Col. Gary Tallman.

"He has been focused keenly on working more closely with the Pakistani military to improve coordination and effectiveness in operations against extremist safe havens in the border regions," Tallman said.

American officials have confirmed U.S. forces carried out the Sept. 3 raid near the town of Angoor Ada in South Waziristan but have given few details of what happened.

Abbas said that Pakistan's military had asked for an explanation but received only a half-page of "very vague" information that failed to identify the intended target.

He said the dead all appeared to be civilians, adding: "These were truck drivers, local traders and their families."

Abbas said Pakistani officials had to consider public opinion, which is skeptical of American goals in the region and harbors sympathy for militants fighting in the name of Islam.

"Please look at the public reaction to this kind of adventure or incursion," Abbas said. "The army is also an extension of the public, and you can only satisfy the public when you match your words with your actions."

However, some analysts forecast that the consequences of alienating the United States would stay the army's hand.

"If an American soldier were to die because of Pakistani military firing that would damage the Pakistani-American relationship for years to come," said Craig Cohen, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

The threat "might stir nationalist sentiment in Pakistan and play well politically, but it's just not realistic," he said.

Pakistan's military has won American praise for a six-week offensive against militants in the Bajur tribal region that Pakistani officials say has killed 700 suspected insurgents and about 40 troops. Troops backed by warplanes killed 15 more alleged militants Tuesday, officials said.

In the same timeframe, there has been a surge in missile strikes apparently carried out by unmanned U.S. drones. Such attacks killed at least two senior al-Qaida commanders earlier this year.

All of those strikes have been well to the south of Bajur, in areas where Pakistani authorities have sought peace deals in order to gain respite from militant attacks.

Abbas said that while they were tackling the "mega-sanctuary" in Bajur, they didn't have the forces to fight militants across the tribal belt all at one time. At least two other areas have been earmarked for military operations, he said.

Jalaluddin Haqqani, a formidable Taliban commander whose relatives were reportedly among the dead in one of the recent missile attacks, was definitely in Afghanistan, he added.

Abbas denied the new order had been put into practice before dawn on Monday, when U.S. helicopters reportedly landed near Angoor Ada only to fly away after troops fired warning shots.

Abbas insisted no foreign troops had crossed the border and that "trigger-happy tribesmen" fired the shots. Pakistani troops based nearby fired flares to see what was going on, he said.

The U.S. military in Afghanistan said none of its troops were involved.

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Associated Press writers Nahal Toosi in Islamabad, Habib Khan in Khar, David Stringer in London, and Lolita Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how ...
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- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 195 fans permalink
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Bush Diplomacy .......................................

McBush Diplomacy...................................

One and the same!

VOTE FOR AMERICA'S BEST INTERESTS:
VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 09/16/2008
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HEre HeRE!!
VOTE FOR AMERICA'S BEST INTERESTS:
OBAMA/BIDEN

Lets see...The economy tanking... massive government bailouts... Russia reemerging...trillion dollar war debt... allies oping fire on US... South America ejecting diplomats.

Whats the problem?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 09/16/2008

Gee... I thought the Pakistanis were backing down. Guess not

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 09/16/2008
- lohy I'm a Fan of lohy 17 fans permalink

Does anybody know if Sarah can see Pakistan from her house???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 09/16/2008
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Maybe if we give Pakistan a few more billions of dollars? To think we have squandered so much money in Iraq when we could have spent less than a 10th of that in Afghanistan and totally destroy the taliban and OBL... Now we are seeing our economy unravel under the weight of Big Oil and corruption and the farce called "War on Terrorism" OBL must be laughing his head off since he did predict that he will undermine the economies of the US and the West.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 09/16/2008
- WasteNJ I'm a Fan of WasteNJ 30 fans permalink
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I'm surprised the Pakistanis even saw these guys come in. If it were an actual "raid", they wouldn't be seen or heard near the target. That's what CT forces do best. It is what it is, if we were to kill Bin Laden in one of these raids, nobody would be complaining about Pakistan's sovereignty in the US. Not to sound like a Bushie, I just want Bin Laden dead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 09/16/2008
- yappnmutt I'm a Fan of yappnmutt 78 fans permalink

only india stands in the way of a china front and ww3.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 09/16/2008
- levelshot I'm a Fan of levelshot 24 fans permalink
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Why is this current administration hell-bent on starting WW3?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 09/16/2008
- yappnmutt I'm a Fan of yappnmutt 78 fans permalink

because weapons of war are one of our biggest manufacturing and export sectors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 09/16/2008
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"Dis is not akceptable. We will cick der azzes." Gov. Palin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 09/16/2008
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When Bush was elected in 2000 i said to myself, "This guy has some bad karma. Everything he touches fails." My prediction has been right. With Black Monday II, which he is responsible for, I won't be surprised to see U.S. forces on the run in both Iraq and Afghanistan with a lot of KIAs. Bush has done more to destroy America than any terrorist attack of 9/11. And just when you think things might get better, along comes John McCain and Youcon Palin who may have even worse karma than Bush. This nation has some dark days ahead of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 09/16/2008
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Feel safer America???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 09/16/2008

Could this be the Republican October Surprise? War with Pakistan? What's that little provision that Bush slid in back in 2006 to allow him to declare marshal law and suspend all elections? The man totally wants WW III under his presidency. Is anyone else scared about this?

http://www.towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/

EEEKK!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 09/16/2008

Perhaps he wants to beat Pale-in to the punch in bringing on the apocalypse

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 09/16/2008
- edwarvir I'm a Fan of edwarvir 36 fans permalink

More ob the Bush legacy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 09/16/2008
- eva belle I'm a Fan of eva belle 23 fans permalink
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Oh..so much for Bush's foreign policy...can't say I blame the Pakistanis for protecting their country...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 09/16/2008

And so it begins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 09/16/2008
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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Yes. I recommend you learn how to build a farraday cage to protect your electronics (EMF proof). At least that way, you'll still be able to listen, on how bad things are going. Get a garden going.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 09/16/2008
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Good to know thatOBL has our ally (?) protecting him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 09/16/2008

We've got to deal with the real politics on the ground Pakistan, too, especially when we're killing many more innocent bystanders than "enemies." Military power doesn't solve everything...

Try putting yourself in Pakistani shoes. Imagine how Americans would take it if a foreign military power invaded southern California to "follow terrorists", drop bombs, and kill civilians, destroy buildings-- you know: collateral damage. That's not a great way to treat an "ally".

If our federal government did nothing about it but "whine", I'm guessing we'd have Americans doing some pretty extreme things about the need to defend our country...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 09/16/2008
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