Wall Street Bounces On Opening After Wednesday's Drop

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First Posted: 09-18-08 09:57 AM   |   Updated: 10-19-08 05:12 AM

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NEW YORK - Wall Street had a stunning late-session turnaround Thursday, shooting higher and hurtling the Dow Jones industrials up more than 400 points after a report that the federal government may create an entity that will take over banks' bad debt.

The report on CNBC said Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is considering the formation of an entity like the Resolution Trust Corp. that was set up after the failure of savings and loan banks in the 1980s.

Investors were cheered by the notion of a huge federal intervention like the establishment of RTC to acquire the real estate debt that has hobbled financial institutions and led to the intense volatility in the markets this week.

If there's an RTC-like entity, "it's going to take a lot of the bad debt off the balance sheets of these companies," said Scott Fullman, director of derivatives investment strategy for WJB Capital Group in New York. That would alleviate many of the pressures causing the credit crisis, he said, and open up the credit markets again. But Fullman noted, "the devil's in the details."

"Bear markets are very sensitive to news. And on a scale of 1 to 10, this one is a 13," he said.

In late afternoon trading, the Dow soared 411.66, or 3.88 percent, to 11,021.32.

Broader stock indicators also jumped. The Standard & Poor's 500 index rose 48.85, or 4.22 percent, to 1,205.24, and the Nasdaq composite index advanced 95.07, or 4.53 percent, to 2,193.92.

The report of a broader government bailout proved more reassuring to investors than moves before the opening bell Thursday by the Federal Reserve and other major central banks to inject as much as $180 billion into global money markets. The moves were an attempt to keep the credit crisis from worsening; the Fed added another $55 billion in overnight loans Thursday.

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Grinding gears in the world's credit markets have driven up the cost of borrowing for businesses; banks have become hesitant to make loans even to other banks for fear of what institutions might be hobbled by soured debt. Investors are also contending with fears that more big-name financial companies could falter.

Worry in the markets had led to speculation about the future of such major players as thrift bank Washington Mutual Inc. and investment bank Morgan Stanley. Media reports have been saying that Wells Fargo & Co. and Citigroup Inc. are interested in a possible takeover of Washington Mutual; and a person familiar with the negotiations said Morgan Stanley and Wachovia Corp. are in talks about a possible combination. He spoke on condition of anonymity because the talks are ongoing.

"We're seeing a tremendous amount of nervousness. That nervousness is leading to volatility," said Anthony Conroy, head trader for BNY ConvergEx Group. He said the markets hadn't seen as much fractiousness since the 1920s.

Advancing issues outnumbered decliners by more than 2 to 1 on the New York Stock Exchange, where volume came to 1.85 billion shares. Trading remained heavy as it has all week amid investors' fears about the well-being of the financial system. But observers said traders were positioning themselves ahead of Friday's "quadruple witching," which marks the simultaneous expiration of four types of options contracts and can exacerbate volatility.

Investors shying from the risks of stocks turned to government-backed debt. On Wednesday, the 3-month Treasury bill -- considered one of the safest short-duration assets -- saw demand surge so high that its yield briefly dipped into negative territory for the first time since 1940. Investors are so focused on parking their money in safe assets that they're willing to take very little return on such investments.

The prices for short-duration Treasurys fell from Wednesday's levels. But the yield on the 3-month T-bill was still extremely low at 0.19 percent -- up from 0.2 percent late Wednesday, but well below its yield of 1.60 percent just a week ago.

Longer-term bond prices fell. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which moves opposite its price, rose to 3.51 percent from 3.42 percent late Wednesday.

Investors also continued a move into other safe havens. Gold rose again Thursday, up $50.20 to $900.70 an ounce on the New York Mercantile Exchange after posting its largest ever one-day price jump Wednesday.

Oil shot up early in the day, moving back above $100 as investors sought it as another haven. But crude fell back with the market's realization that the financial turmoil will likely exacerbate the drop in demand that has taken oil down sharply from its July record of $147.27 a barrel.

Light, sweet crude on the Nymex rose 72 cents to settle at $97.88 a barrel.

"We are in uncharted territory," said Linda Duessel, the equity market strategist at Federated Investors. "The seriousness and the size of this fallout has been underestimated from the beginning. It's most disconcerting what's going on in the credit market."

Investors remained jittery throughout Thursday's session. The Chicago Board Options Exchange's volatility index, known as the VIX, set a new high for the year in trading Thursday. Often referred to as the "fear index," the VIX at times rose to levels not seen since October 2002. But the VIX retreated after the report a government plan for bad bank debt.

Some market observers say a reading of more than 40 is necessary before the market can begin to excise its fears and carve out a rebound.

Mixed economic readings drew little attention as investors focused on the financials and the credit markets.

The Labor Department reported that initial claims for unemployment benefits rose by 10,000 last week to 455,000, due primarily to Louisiana's job losses from Hurricane Gustav. And the Philadelphia Fed said its regional manufacturing report improved to a 3.8 in September from a negative 12.7 in August. It marks the first positive reading since November.

Among financials, Morgan Stanley rose $2.15, or 10 percent, to $23.90 as the investment bank sought a buyer or cash infusion to shore up its flagging share price. The stock has fallen 38 percent in the past week following Monday's bankruptcy filing at rival Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and a forced sale of Merrill Lynch & Co. to Bank of America Corp.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies rose 40.38, or 5.97 percent, to 716.76.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei stock average dropped 2.22 percent to its lowest closing level in over three years. Hong Kong's Hang Seng index lost 0.03 percent.

Britain's FTSE 100 fell 0.66 percent, Germany's DAX index rose 0.04 percent, and France's CAC-40 fell 1.06 percent.

NEW YORK - Wall Street had a stunning late-session turnaround Thursday, shooting higher and hurtling the Dow Jones industrials up more than 400 points after a report that the federal government may cr...
NEW YORK - Wall Street had a stunning late-session turnaround Thursday, shooting higher and hurtling the Dow Jones industrials up more than 400 points after a report that the federal government may cr...
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- Cunningham I'm a Fan of Cunningham 89 fans permalink
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Less than one year ago...

The DOW closed at 14,164.53 October 9, 2007


Today the DOW closed at 11,019.69

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 09/19/2008
- grp I'm a Fan of grp 2 fans permalink

Are you liberals hoping for financial damage to the nation? Well I guess it will help BO's chances of winning. ......unti­l folks like me start asking where our Democrat led Congress has been the last two years - and how much money they have made off the mortgage crisis. Seems they had lots of time for "oversight" to witch-hunt the Bush adminisitration since they won majority in 2006. Not much time left, I guess, to oversee financial markets that might help the American middle class. And, I guess BO didn't have time either - since he's been pretty busy promoting his own personal agenda the last two years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 09/19/2008

Didn't this crisis really blow up in the last few month, at most? If Nancy Pelosi or Bo had said much before now, YOU would have said they are looking to damage the country, right?? It takes things like Indymac, Bearsteans, AIG and Lehman to make people sit up and take notice. Take a good look because the answers so far are only band aids.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 09/19/2008
- Cunningham I'm a Fan of Cunningham 89 fans permalink
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Are you that stupid and that partisan to think only those on the right are being hurt by this crisis?

If so, you and your ilk can pay for all of BushCo's bailouts and leave the rest of us out of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 09/19/2008
- rfshunt I'm a Fan of rfshunt 46 fans permalink

Obama, as a freshman Senator, introduced bills to:

Fight mortgage fraud - S.1222
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:34:./temp/~bdvLr6::|/bss/d110query.html|

Make executive compensatioin more transparent - S1181
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d110:33:./temp/~bdvLr6::|/bss/d110query.html|

What's also important to note is that Obama is not a member of the Senate banking committee which has the responsibility for banjking oversight.

How much has McCain done in the area in his over 20 years in the Senate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 09/19/2008

If Nancy Pelosi or BO had said anything a few months ago, you and others on the right would have accused them of undermining the economy with wild ideas. Socialism is ok I guess as long as the repubs do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 09/19/2008
- Mike169 I'm a Fan of Mike169 45 fans permalink
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How about a little responsibility in the financial markets. Trolls, such as you, keep blaming the "little guy's" greed in this but it pales by comparison to the rich scum who are now protected by the taxes of the "little guy" (who get no protection whatsoever). If this country is a mess it's because people such as you continue to be fooled by by the charlatans who continue to destroy this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 09/19/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

Funny, yesterday it was down 400 and at the top of HuffPo. Now its up 400 and buried at the bottom. Of course, a mispoken word by Palin is way more important then billions of dollars in the stock market. Sounds like some people, like Obama are cheerleading disaster for America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 09/19/2008

Ever seem to you that whatever the McCain Palin crew screws up is a "mispoken word" but Obama just absolutely screws up everything???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 09/19/2008
- Cunningham I'm a Fan of Cunningham 89 fans permalink
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Sounds like you've got your head up your a$$.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 09/19/2008
- UNCLEJOE I'm a Fan of UNCLEJOE 56 fans permalink
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Gas prices are due to inflation which is caused by the Federal Reserve Banks pouring fiat dollars into the money market; the more phoney money printed and 'Loaned' to the government to buy the bankrupt Insurance companies, the less value the American dollars has and all foreign imports rise in higher prices including Arab Oil. No matter how much oil is pumped or refined, the price of oil is set by the value of gold.

Today's cost for a barrel of Arab oil is the same in gold, as it was in the 1950's in gold currency, it's the inflated dollar or he devalued dollar caused by the Federal Reserve Bank pumping in $13 Trillion in fiat paper (bogus money not secured by any material assets) into our money market that is causing our domestic and foreign problems like depressions and unwarranted wars.

Get rid of the Federal Reserve Bank, as Warren Buffett advised only a few weeks ago, and these severe financial problems and imperilistic was will be history.

"The report of a broader government bailout proved more reassuring to investors than moves before the opening bell Thursday by the Federal Reserve and other major central banks to inject as much as $180 billion into global money markets. The moves were an attempt to keep the credit crisis from worsening; the Fed added another $55 billion in overnight loans Thursday."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 09/19/2008

Printing money works -- for awhile. But in the end it will trigger inflation. The more you print the more things will ultimately inflate. You may need a wheelbarrel full of money to buy a quart of milk?? Well, not really, we will just make the denominations larger. But hey, Wall Street is happy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 09/19/2008
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Dead Cat Bounce!

http://www.iplanretirement.com/retirementblog/dead-cat-bounce/

Friday sell off in afternoon trading, as traders try to lock in profits, before this weekend's bad news hits the markets. .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 09/19/2008
- NewRiver I'm a Fan of NewRiver 21 fans permalink
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Democratic Congress May Adjourn, Leave Crisis to Fed, Treasury

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aVPBaUbYV_qQ

One reason, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said yesterday, is that ``no one knows what to do'' at the moment.

Now Hairless Reid has obviously been studying at the Jimmy Carter school for ineffective leadership. Wonder if he was sporting that same cardigan Jimmy wore when he gave the famous "malaise" speech.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 09/19/2008
- jparso3 I'm a Fan of jparso3 3 fans permalink

Old news. We know we are going to get something but the bill has to include getting people with the sub-prime loans on to fixed rate loans. I personally think the republicans will balk at the idea of switching the loans which will lead to a bill that does nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 09/19/2008

They now say it will cost us half a trillion dollars. If they're saying it, probably means more. That's taxpayer money. NO wait, we can just print some more of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 09/19/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

It's amazing that he is the best they have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 09/19/2008

Hooray! We're saved!

Everything is going to be okay now, isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 09/18/2008
- NewRiver I'm a Fan of NewRiver 21 fans permalink
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Yep, RTC part II.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 09/19/2008
- Julie02 I'm a Fan of Julie02 14 fans permalink

Yes, oh happy day! I will not run out to buy a fur coat made out of Moose (the one named Henry that Palin shot from the helicopter­.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 09/19/2008
- Tom95134 I'm a Fan of Tom95134 53 fans permalink
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Time to watch Bloomberg tonight to see whether this "boost" is going to stick or stink.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 09/18/2008
- AllenD I'm a Fan of AllenD 36 fans permalink
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I like Bloomberg too. CNBC is a joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 09/18/2008
- Wilburrr I'm a Fan of Wilburrr 16 fans permalink
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There is always a bounce after a big drop. Stay tuned for more down side....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 09/18/2008
- AllenD I'm a Fan of AllenD 36 fans permalink
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Tomorrow is the day that options expire so it could be a weird up day or a weird down day. Be interesting to see what happens Monday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 09/19/2008
- NewRiver I'm a Fan of NewRiver 21 fans permalink
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possibly, but S&P Futures overnight trading around 1230...tod­ay's close was 1206.51. clearly Asia and then likely Europe will like the Resolution Trust corporation, part 2. Google it if you're too young to remember the S&L implosion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 09/19/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

Trump was just saying that if Obama gets elected, he could run us into a depression.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 09/18/2008
- jparso3 I'm a Fan of jparso3 3 fans permalink

That is what mccain and palin would do if they are elected. Both of them are clueless to about everything. And what are you doing listening to trump. He has been in bankrupcy so many times it is not funny. Also his casinos in Atlanic city suck

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 09/18/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 619 fans permalink
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Should I list some of Trump's financial catastrophes for you ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 09/18/2008

Trump has lost more 'other people's money' than you can count.... he's a joke.... if Trump saysone thing it's a sure bet that the OPPOSITE is thebest course to take.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 09/19/2008
- NewRiver I'm a Fan of NewRiver 21 fans permalink
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Yea, ga-head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 09/19/2008

And did he say what crystal ball he was using for this prediction??? Better one than his, I presume./

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 09/19/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

Stock market going up, Obama's stock going down. Obama's overseas friends who were shorting have been stopped in their tracks. Kramer alluded to financial terrorism today. Funny things going on and Obama sure was quick on the draw like he knew what was going down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 09/18/2008

What in the world are you talking about???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 09/18/2008
- jparso3 I'm a Fan of jparso3 3 fans permalink

Well to me it does not matter whether the market is up or down. The only thing I know is the everyone is one disaster away from finainal trouble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 09/18/2008
- AllenD I'm a Fan of AllenD 36 fans permalink
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Anyone that gets their talking points from Cramer needs to seek professional help. So the market went up 410 points today. That means it went up 430 points over where it closed on Clinton's last day in office. To think you clowns want to put our Social Security withholding in the market too. I guess with the government owning AIG, Bear Stearns, Freddie, Fannie and taking on all the toxic waste of the junk mortgage bond, it does make some sense. Who would of thought that under Republican rule, we would skip socialism and go straight to communism where the government owns everything!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 09/18/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 619 fans permalink
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Wall Street Bounces on Government intervention ! Repubs are complete and total hypocrites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 09/18/2008
- c1ee I'm a Fan of c1ee 4 fans permalink

yep, lost any shred of credibility

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 09/18/2008
- jparso3 I'm a Fan of jparso3 3 fans permalink

Question for everyone

Is this thing over?

I heard a news report coming from California that said prime mortagages are starting to go into default in higher numbers as layoffs are occuring with all the mergers going on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 09/18/2008

Alt-A mortgages are now blowing up... no surprise there.... predicted a while ago

Forget the mortgage crisis - at least there are empty houses and lots of land securing a fraction of the value there.....­. but there is NOTHING securing TRILLIONS of dollars MORE in debt......

All that credit card debt that got securitized is just waiting to rear its ugly head.... Collateralized DEBT Obligations .... Credit card balances have been going up because it's the LAST resort for people... they've been charging FOOD and GAS.... if you thinhk you can collect money from an unemployed 50 year old who already lost his house and his pension/401K, you're delusional­... who CARES what the bankruptcy law says.... you'll have better luck getting blood from a stone

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 09/19/2008
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-504pts on monday, +150pts on tues, -450pts on wed, +400pts today... we are still down for the week... we need to see what happens tomorrow

the reasons we are up:

kraft replaced AIG on the dow jones,
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they bailed our AIG at a cost of 85% of the company..

i wouldnt consider that a win..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 09/18/2008
- NewRiver I'm a Fan of NewRiver 21 fans permalink
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Kraft replacing AIG has NOTHING to do with today's rally. It's all about RTC part 2 and we're seeing the extension of that so far tonight in the overnight trading as Asia and soon Europe get access to markets. Google Resolution Trust Corporation if you need a lesson on the history of the S&L Bailout. We're gonna get something similar here, to take the crap off the balance sheets of the banks.

And while I am not happy with the government intervention, it is a necessary evil. The Fed had to bail out AIG or else many of the Money Market funds you all own (which have huge amounts of AIG debt obligations in them) would have likely "broken the buck" and that would have created a run on those funds like nothing you've ever seen.

The real breakdown is in two places:
1. easy money for too long, thank you Maestro; and
2. not enough SEC oversight on "off balance sheet" transactions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 09/19/2008
- akryan I'm a Fan of akryan 2 fans permalink

AGreed. The DOW hasn't been the premier index for a long time now. I have a master's in finance and I remember in my very first class my prof who works in the industry said he never even looks at the DOW. The Russell 3000 and S&P 500 are what the pros look at. Keep an eye on them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 09/19/2008

Wow...desp­erate for ANY 'good news'.... If you think this is over you're delusional­..... start stocking up on canned goods.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 09/18/2008
- AllenD I'm a Fan of AllenD 36 fans permalink
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Even the Fed Chairman Bernanke doesn't know what to do. "We have lost control," said Hale, quoting Bernanke. "We cannot stabilize the dollar. We cannot control commodity prices."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-wed_oilsep17,0,4833605.story

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 09/18/2008
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