Wall Street Bounces On Opening After Wednesday's Drop

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First Posted: 09-18-08 09:57 AM   |   Updated: 10-19-08 05:12 AM

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NEW YORK - Wall Street had a stunning late-session turnaround Thursday, shooting higher and hurtling the Dow Jones industrials up more than 400 points after a report that the federal government may create an entity that will take over banks' bad debt.

The report on CNBC said Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is considering the formation of an entity like the Resolution Trust Corp. that was set up after the failure of savings and loan banks in the 1980s.

Investors were cheered by the notion of a huge federal intervention like the establishment of RTC to acquire the real estate debt that has hobbled financial institutions and led to the intense volatility in the markets this week.

If there's an RTC-like entity, "it's going to take a lot of the bad debt off the balance sheets of these companies," said Scott Fullman, director of derivatives investment strategy for WJB Capital Group in New York. That would alleviate many of the pressures causing the credit crisis, he said, and open up the credit markets again. But Fullman noted, "the devil's in the details."

"Bear markets are very sensitive to news. And on a scale of 1 to 10, this one is a 13," he said.

In late afternoon trading, the Dow soared 411.66, or 3.88 percent, to 11,021.32.

Broader stock indicators also jumped. The Standard & Poor's 500 index rose 48.85, or 4.22 percent, to 1,205.24, and the Nasdaq composite index advanced 95.07, or 4.53 percent, to 2,193.92.

The report of a broader government bailout proved more reassuring to investors than moves before the opening bell Thursday by the Federal Reserve and other major central banks to inject as much as $180 billion into global money markets. The moves were an attempt to keep the credit crisis from worsening; the Fed added another $55 billion in overnight loans Thursday.

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Grinding gears in the world's credit markets have driven up the cost of borrowing for businesses; banks have become hesitant to make loans even to other banks for fear of what institutions might be hobbled by soured debt. Investors are also contending with fears that more big-name financial companies could falter.

Worry in the markets had led to speculation about the future of such major players as thrift bank Washington Mutual Inc. and investment bank Morgan Stanley. Media reports have been saying that Wells Fargo & Co. and Citigroup Inc. are interested in a possible takeover of Washington Mutual; and a person familiar with the negotiations said Morgan Stanley and Wachovia Corp. are in talks about a possible combination. He spoke on condition of anonymity because the talks are ongoing.

"We're seeing a tremendous amount of nervousness. That nervousness is leading to volatility," said Anthony Conroy, head trader for BNY ConvergEx Group. He said the markets hadn't seen as much fractiousness since the 1920s.

Advancing issues outnumbered decliners by more than 2 to 1 on the New York Stock Exchange, where volume came to 1.85 billion shares. Trading remained heavy as it has all week amid investors' fears about the well-being of the financial system. But observers said traders were positioning themselves ahead of Friday's "quadruple witching," which marks the simultaneous expiration of four types of options contracts and can exacerbate volatility.

Investors shying from the risks of stocks turned to government-backed debt. On Wednesday, the 3-month Treasury bill -- considered one of the safest short-duration assets -- saw demand surge so high that its yield briefly dipped into negative territory for the first time since 1940. Investors are so focused on parking their money in safe assets that they're willing to take very little return on such investments.

The prices for short-duration Treasurys fell from Wednesday's levels. But the yield on the 3-month T-bill was still extremely low at 0.19 percent -- up from 0.2 percent late Wednesday, but well below its yield of 1.60 percent just a week ago.

Longer-term bond prices fell. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which moves opposite its price, rose to 3.51 percent from 3.42 percent late Wednesday.

Investors also continued a move into other safe havens. Gold rose again Thursday, up $50.20 to $900.70 an ounce on the New York Mercantile Exchange after posting its largest ever one-day price jump Wednesday.

Oil shot up early in the day, moving back above $100 as investors sought it as another haven. But crude fell back with the market's realization that the financial turmoil will likely exacerbate the drop in demand that has taken oil down sharply from its July record of $147.27 a barrel.

Light, sweet crude on the Nymex rose 72 cents to settle at $97.88 a barrel.

"We are in uncharted territory," said Linda Duessel, the equity market strategist at Federated Investors. "The seriousness and the size of this fallout has been underestimated from the beginning. It's most disconcerting what's going on in the credit market."

Investors remained jittery throughout Thursday's session. The Chicago Board Options Exchange's volatility index, known as the VIX, set a new high for the year in trading Thursday. Often referred to as the "fear index," the VIX at times rose to levels not seen since October 2002. But the VIX retreated after the report a government plan for bad bank debt.

Some market observers say a reading of more than 40 is necessary before the market can begin to excise its fears and carve out a rebound.

Mixed economic readings drew little attention as investors focused on the financials and the credit markets.

The Labor Department reported that initial claims for unemployment benefits rose by 10,000 last week to 455,000, due primarily to Louisiana's job losses from Hurricane Gustav. And the Philadelphia Fed said its regional manufacturing report improved to a 3.8 in September from a negative 12.7 in August. It marks the first positive reading since November.

Among financials, Morgan Stanley rose $2.15, or 10 percent, to $23.90 as the investment bank sought a buyer or cash infusion to shore up its flagging share price. The stock has fallen 38 percent in the past week following Monday's bankruptcy filing at rival Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and a forced sale of Merrill Lynch & Co. to Bank of America Corp.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies rose 40.38, or 5.97 percent, to 716.76.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei stock average dropped 2.22 percent to its lowest closing level in over three years. Hong Kong's Hang Seng index lost 0.03 percent.

Britain's FTSE 100 fell 0.66 percent, Germany's DAX index rose 0.04 percent, and France's CAC-40 fell 1.06 percent.

NEW YORK - Wall Street had a stunning late-session turnaround Thursday, shooting higher and hurtling the Dow Jones industrials up more than 400 points after a report that the federal government may cr...
NEW YORK - Wall Street had a stunning late-session turnaround Thursday, shooting higher and hurtling the Dow Jones industrials up more than 400 points after a report that the federal government may cr...
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- lechatnoir I'm a Fan of lechatnoir 7 fans permalink
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Imagine the luck of those who bought cheap, real cheap yesterday, you know, those 'lucky people', nothing to do with insider treading or stuff like that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 09/18/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

lechatnoir

Imagine the luck of those who bought cheap, real cheap yesterday, you know, those 'lucky people', nothing to do with insider treading or stuff like that.

I wonder if Donald Trump cashed in on the bonanza.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 09/18/2008
- newhouse1 I'm a Fan of newhouse1 68 fans permalink
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To author: the big number for the Dow (up 82, down 504, etc.) are what we need to hear to get an appreciation for the big picture. That "where did it end-up" fact was almost hidden in the sixth paragraph from the opening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 09/18/2008

Congratulations taxpayers, you will now be the investor in all this bad debt that banks can't get rid of. So Bush is going to leave us with a taxpayer financed RTC just like Reagan gave us. No amount of taxpayer money to bail us out is too much. Heck I'm happy, I have a lot of money invested in the market. Sucks if you don't though. You're going to now pay for it and you got none of the upside.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 09/18/2008

So the government is going to create an entity to take over the bad debts for the bank...hmmmm....might I inquire as to how these "bad" debts are going to be paid??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 09/18/2008
- ssgman I'm a Fan of ssgman 8 fans permalink
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To answer that question, go to the bathroom, turn on light, look in mirror. There ya go!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 09/18/2008
- ssgman I'm a Fan of ssgman 8 fans permalink
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UNBELIEVABLE. The fed is going to *buy* up all the bad debt? 600Billion that taxpayers are going to have to pay? That's 2,000 per person and more like 4,000 per taxpayer. And the worst part is the banks will just keep doing what they are doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 09/18/2008
- Bozwellian I'm a Fan of Bozwellian 34 fans permalink

and the banks WILL continue to FORECLOSE and kick the ordinary taxpayer out to the curb while straddling them with the debt from ALL sides ..and of course, the varios CEO's and etc, will STILL get THEIR golden parachutes and bonuses and prime packages ...TYPICAL , ain't the free market great ? It can been "socialized" for convenience of the UPPER CHELONS but woe to any who think anything much SHOULD be allowed to actually trickle on down to the lower masses for they are but the acceptable collateral fodder for bearing the consequences and damages. SUCH A DEAL, none CAN refuse .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 09/18/2008
- aBr1t I'm a Fan of aBr1t 13 fans permalink

yeah but the fed is a GROUP of banks not A bank!!

the bad loads are from the fed lol there just out to by some stuff and change the game abit..

and you still ow china loads of money and there not really wanting to pay that back lol

Crashed econ = wave bye bye to most of the debt u ow china

; )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 09/19/2008

This is bullsh!t. Paulson wants to set up a government RTC to buy all the bad debt in the market. So while these stupid companies get to dump all their bad debt and go back to business as usual, the taxpayers will get shafted. Forget about balancing the budget, or investing in alternative energy, or putting in a universal healthcare system anytime soon. We'll be paying off this bad debt for years while the companies that got us into this mess continue to act irresponsibly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 09/18/2008
- jpsd I'm a Fan of jpsd 7 fans permalink

Last time they did this the Govt turned a nice little profit. Only thing making this bad debt is time. If Govt buys for 60% off and sell it in a few years at a profit, everybody wins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 09/18/2008

But this crisis is more severe and far reaching than the S&L ever was. This plan will cause the deficit to skyrocket close to a trillion dollars over the next year when you add in the projected half trillion dollar deficit we were expecting and possibly $600 billion more for this RTC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 09/18/2008

Wall Street rallies - Huffernutters despair - Hope for better news tomorrow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 09/18/2008

You obviously don't care that the few people who created this mess will walk away with a fortune while the rest of us pay for it. Why do you hate Americans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 09/18/2008

Oh you mean like:

"Jim Johnson, The Former Chairman Of Fannie Mae Who Was One Of Three Advisors Tapped By Democrat Barack Obama To Vet Vice Presidential Candidates, Resigned Today After Questions Were Raised About Favoritism He May Have Received From Countrywide Financial Corp." (Johanna Neuman, "Barack Obama Advisor Jim Johnson Quits Under Fire," Los Angeles Times , 6/12/08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 09/18/2008

Oh, by the way on the topic of oil:

Last time oil was near $100 a barrel, gas was $3.10. Now it's near $100 a barrel and gas is $3.85. Hmmmmmm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 09/18/2008
- jpsd I'm a Fan of jpsd 7 fans permalink

refiners still partially down because of Ike. Short term supply issue

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 09/18/2008

Yeah that must be it. Never mind that the setting I described happened before Ike.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 09/18/2008
- BethStuart I'm a Fan of BethStuart 13 fans permalink

Watching the market today has given new meaning to the word "volatility."

After this morning's injection of $180 billion by the Fed and other central banks, perhaps the outcome wasn't surprising.

It will be interesting to see what happens on a day when the Fed doesn't intervene.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 09/18/2008

The term "lipstick on a pig" seems oddly appropriate to this situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 09/18/2008

So the banks injected a bunch of money into the market and it went up.

Well that's usually what happens when you infuse it with cash.

The problem is, eventually the banks have to, you know, PAY for the money they injected into the market.

This is yet another short-term, temporary crutch (just like the "stimulus check", the bailouts, the continual printing of new money, etc.) that will just make the fall that much worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 09/18/2008

And where did all this "cash" magically appear from?

Bet they're laughing all the way to Zimbabwe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 09/18/2008

These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the american people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 09/18/2008

YEAH! With the overhaul of Wall Street, now would be the time to overhaul Social Security and privatize it.

That is why,
IM4McCain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 09/18/2008

Or just do the smart thing and do away with Social Security, since there's no way to save it.

BTW, this is hardly a Wall Street "overhaul". This is a Wall Street collapse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 09/18/2008
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Oh PLEASE! If anything, this is proof of why privatizing social security should be taken off the table completely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 09/18/2008
- Hank007 I'm a Fan of Hank007 88 fans permalink

Well we could just use Social Security funds to bail out Wall Street. In fact, we should just pay our taxes straight to the banks, for them to use to invest, so the board members can get richer! Yay! Capitalism works (as long as you socialize the losses Shhhh socialism = Bad)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 09/18/2008

why do they call it a bounce when the ed pump 80 billion o red ink in the system that tax payers will pay back oh i get it sociaism or corporations , facsit capitolsm for the middle class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 09/18/2008

That's the media for you. This is the equivalent of the CEO of a company putting a million dollars of his own money into the company's coffers, and then giving himself a million dollar raise. Sure, it looks good on paper, but ultimately nothing was accomplished.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 09/18/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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so Little W and Paulson think they can go to Kinkos and print up some new money
buy off the debt of all banks - give them a fresh start
POOF! problem solved

meanwhile, that $20 you just got from the ATM machine is now worth $8

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 09/18/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 37 fans permalink

On the bright side, those student loans from law school and business school will also be a lot less with that type of inflation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 09/18/2008

So is the money you use to pay them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 09/18/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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that dime sitting on your table is now worth one penny

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 09/18/2008
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Market has been tanking ever since Murdoch bought the WSJ and DOW.

Maybe the propagandist foriegner is trying to destroy America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 09/18/2008
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