Thabo Mbeki, South Africa's President, To Resign

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MICHELLE FAUL | September 19, 2008 03:54 PM EST | AP

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In this Tuesday Dec. 18, 2007, file photo South African President Thabo Mbeki, left, and ANC deputy President Jacob Zuma embrace at the 52nd African National Congress conference in Polokwane, South Africa. The fate of President Thabo Mbeki hung in the balance Friday, Sept. 19, 2008, as the ruling African National Congress's top decision-making body began meeting to decide if he should be forced out of office. Mbeki was due to stand down after ten years in office next year, but he has lost a yearslong power struggle to the man most assume will be South Africa's next president, former Deputy President Jacob Zuma. Mbeki's possible ouster threatens to cause turmoil in Africa's economic giant as well as the political party that has dominated the South African landscape since apartheid ended 14 years ago. (AP Photo/Jerome Delay/file)

JOHANNESBURG, South Africa — The fate of President Thabo Mbeki hung in the balance Friday, as the ruling African National Congress's top decision-making body met to decide if he should be forced out of office at the risk of plunging the continent's powerhouse into turmoil.

Mbeki was due to stand down next year after 10 years in office, but he has lost a prolonged power struggle to the man expected to be South Africa's next president, former Deputy President Jacob Zuma.

Militant Zuma supporters headed by the ANC and Communist Youth Leagues want to force Mbeki out before his term ends. They are calling for the ANC _ to which the 66-year-old Mbeki has belonged since he was 14 _ to throw him out of the party as well as out of office.

"It's all out war," The Star newspaper declared Friday.

The ANC's National Executive Committee scheduled a news conference Friday evening, prompting speculation that it had decided to give Mbeki the push _ or he had agreed to jump.

But ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe said only that discussions would continue.

"We came to tell you that there is nothing to tell you. The debate is not concluded," he said _ indicating there were deep divisions within the 86-member executive.

He said Mbeki was not at the meeting.

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"All I hope for is that, if they decide that Mbeki should go, they will put in place the required and proper transitional mechanism," political analyst Aubrey Matshiqi said at the independent Center for Policy Studies in Johannesburg.

"If they are looking for a situation where they decide Mbeki can go and hope there will be no instability at all, they are being Utopian in the extreme," he said.

Half the Cabinet is reportedly threatening to walk out if Mbeki is forced to leave.

The latest ammunition against Mbeki is a judge's ruling last week throwing out years-old corruption charges against Zuma, saying he agreed with Zuma's complaint that he was the victim of a political conspiracy in the "titanic power struggle" within the ANC.

Mbeki indignantly denied this Friday.

"It impoverishes our society that some resort to the tactic of advancing allegations with no fact to support these," the presidency said in a statement. "The question will have to be answered now _ what kind of society are we building, informed by what value system and with what long-term effect to the political and overall moral health of the nation?"

The political and personal humiliation at home is overshadowing Mbeki's greatest foreign policy achievement to date _ persuading Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe this month to share power with opposition leaders.

South Africa emerged victorious from years of institutionalized racism in 1994 and entered an era of reconciliation embodied by anti-apartheid icon Nelson Mandela. Mbeki took over in 1999 and ushered in sustained economic growth averaging nearly 5 percent a year.

Mbeki was heralded by the international business community, but his aloofness has alienated many people at home where millions remain on the margins of society. His foes accuse him of failing to fight the country's crippling crime and AIDS crises.

The South African Council of Churches appealed to the ANC to put national stability first, saying the negative political and economic fallout from the government's collapse "are too ghastly to contemplate."

Zuma has remained silent amid the calls for Mbeki's downfall, saying only that wasting energy on Mbeki was like "beating a dead snake."

Mbeki fired Zuma as his national deputy president in 2005, after Zuma's financial adviser was convicted of trying to elicit a bribe to deflect investigations into a multibillion-dollar international arms deal.

The charges were withdrawn against Zuma, but the chief prosecutor announced in December he had enough evidence to bring new ones.

In his ruling last Friday, Judge Christopher Nicholson said it appeared Mbeki and his justice minister had colluded with prosecutors against Zuma.

JOHANNESBURG, South Africa — The fate of President Thabo Mbeki hung in the balance Friday, as the ruling African National Congress's top decision-making body met to decide if he should be forced...
JOHANNESBURG, South Africa — The fate of President Thabo Mbeki hung in the balance Friday, as the ruling African National Congress's top decision-making body met to decide if he should be forced...
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- ivillage I'm a Fan of ivillage 2 fans permalink

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 09/21/2008
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Anyone considering coming to South Africa for the 2010 Soccer World Cup : Let this message be a very BIG wake up call for you. DO NOT COME HERE, this is a useless, Vile and very dangerous country. Get all the facts before you make such a drastic decision.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 09/21/2008

Amazing to meet fellow country men here

It is a sad day for our country, so please lets not rejoice in other people's pain

P.S I am white and female

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 09/21/2008
- asichii I'm a Fan of asichii 10 fans permalink
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Here is what people do not know... that Mugabe was Mbeki's brain. If he had dissociated himself from that dictator, his legacy would not have been botched like that even though is naturally an idiot. Mbeki did the people of Zimbabwe a huge disservice. Mandela was supposed to be his advisor from day one. He never listened to him (whether on Aids, Zimbabwe crisis, crime, etc). Remember Mbeki vainly tried to sneak a 3rd term for himself but was thwarted. Those are Mugabe's notes. I have a dozen examples. Will South Africa go the Zimbabwe route. Very possible. ANC will continue to 'win'. Absence of strong opposition will culminate in ANC personality clouts, leadership crises, etc. Democracy is sometimes funny even though it is the best we got. Can you imagine, that for all his incompetence, George Bush was re-elected President? Is the problem ignorance on the part of the electorate itself? Is it populism? Is it manipulation? Is it coercion? South Africa's treacherous tribal balancing acts will see villageman ascenced to Presidency. Of course Zuma is a joke!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 09/21/2008

I think it's pretty clear - at the very least by contrast with what's being going on in neighbouring Zimbabwe - that this development is proof that democracy is working in South Africa. A vote of no-confidence means the leader steps down to be replaced by a leader the majority wants to lead them. South Africa's democracy is mature enough, even after just more than a decade, to allow a smooth handover of power. No need for many of the melodramatic interpretations proffered above.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 09/21/2008
- openhand I'm a Fan of openhand 30 fans permalink
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I second this!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 09/21/2008
- Gipper44 I'm a Fan of Gipper44 4 fans permalink

Hey, can't we get another picture of Jimmmmmmmmy, Mandela & Mugabe smiling & holding hands & waving?

Beautiful.

Why is it that Jimmmmmmmy never RETURNS the scene of his many "triumphs?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 09/21/2008
- Gemma08 I'm a Fan of Gemma08 10 fans permalink
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I am a South African.

I despise both Thabo and Zuma. Both are hypocrites who have betrayed 'The Freedom Charter'.

Zuma is an idiot. Thabo is an elitist HIV/Aids dissident. Neither of them are worthy of the office of President.

Yet Thabo's worst crime is being an Aids dissident. Zuma has been implicated in a corruption trial where a former friend and advisor is now sitting in jail. Do I WANT him to lead my country? HELL NO!!

Its demoralising to look at our current leadership. There are real fears that South Africa is heading the same way as Zimbabwe. Corrupt megalomaniac leadership.

ps: I am a black South African and I will be voting for an opposition party in the next election. The ANC can, to quote Pamela Anderson "Suck it." They peaked with Nelson Mandela. Whom everyone still adores and wishes were 20 years younger :(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 09/21/2008
- openhand I'm a Fan of openhand 30 fans permalink
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I am a white South African. Your voice is very reflective of the diverse and robust debate in S.A., especially in the black community, something we can be proud of. I feel let down by Mbekis politics, big business and the speed that the leadership forgot about the poor. Made me think when a struggling musician made the point that in the struggle years he supported the movement, played for free. Now he still is and they support soccer! with billions. How many soccer players supported the struggle?

Aside from this tangent, it is important to remember that we have just witnessed raw democracy in action, that we have come so far, that we have far to go, and that we live in interesting times. I miss home. Aluta...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 09/21/2008

Even though the country has experienced high levels economic growth, wealth is more unevenly distributed than before! Mbeki has ignored the HIV/AIDs crisis and has done nothing to stop violent crime in the country (which has the highest levels in the world). While Zuma may be a populist, his ties to corruption and his trial for rape (as well as the comments he has made) makes me skeptical about his leadership­..Unfortun­ately, I don't think much will change for South Africa.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 09/20/2008

What is Mbeki's explanation as to why he has ignored the HIV/AIDS problem in South Africa? AIDS obviously is an immune deficiency that can be caused by factors other than HIV. The constant eating and drinking of bad food and toxic water, for example, are likely to cause immune deficiency or a reduction in one's white blood cell count. Also, I don't agree with you concerning whether change is taking place in South Africa. Change can be gradual, and may occur regardless of whether one has knowledge of its movement. Mbeki's apparent downfall is evidence that change is afoot in South Africa, and the mere fact Zuma is likely to govern differently from Mbeki suggests change. Additionally, Mbeki's having to succumb to Zuma may not be, in and of itself, a bad transpiration as it may be necessary. Mbeki should not hold on to power if the the majority of South Africans believe he's failing to produce the conditions that make it easier for them to meet their routine needs. Leaders should not desire power for the sake of possessing it, but for the sake of meeting the myriad needs of the people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 09/20/2008

I meant that the change in leadership doesn't necessarily mean that a change of policy will occur. Zuma, while he is popular amongst COSATU (Congress Of South African Trade Unions) and the youth leagues, has said that he will continue on with the ANC's economic policies. And many of the ministers in government (including finance minister Trevor Manuel) have said that they would stay. And sure gradual change is happening as the middle class is slowly growing, but the crime rate in SA is ridiculous and has resulted in many SAfricans moving to Australia, UK or the States. I really do hope Zuma addresses the will of the people - especially the economic inequalities and the crime rate but if he is going to surround himself with Mbeki's ministers or his own corrupt friends (Schbair Shaik and family), things will remain more of the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 09/20/2008
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This is all wonderful news to me as a South African....it helps my cause to plead asylum when i'm "visiting" another country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 09/20/2008

Join the Class Action Suit being filed in US Federal Court against US Companies who profiteered from doing business in the Apartheid Era.......­..........­..........­..........­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 09/20/2008
- CC1 I'm a Fan of CC1 6 fans permalink

Come on over =)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 09/21/2008
- Whinger I'm a Fan of Whinger 46 fans permalink
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He never was the real deal in my opinion!

After the predictable turbulence let's hope the new leader is a man of the people!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 09/20/2008
- Steamboater I'm a Fan of Steamboater 170 fans permalink
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It's good Mbeki is gone. His so-called " ... greatest foreign policy achievement to date _ persuading Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe this month to share power with opposition leaders" only came about because he did nothing and turned his back on what was happening in Zimbabwe and had to be forved by international criticism etc to do something. His malignant stand on AIDS, his refusal to slam the genocide in Darfur etc--all of it made him an embarrassment to a country that prided itself on freedom and respect for others in Africa.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 09/20/2008
- CC1 I'm a Fan of CC1 6 fans permalink

Now only if that government would quit ignoring the genocide and reverse-racism being committed against the Boer Afrikaners and do something about it that would be great. But at the same time we do have a lot to learn from this country. They mind their own business and do not interfere in other countries' affairs. My best wishes to the SA's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 09/20/2008
- natturnerx I'm a Fan of natturnerx 7 fans permalink
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i never could figure out why the so-called 'international criminal court' doesnt try the boer leaders for their apartheid crimes; but i guess that court only indicts black africans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 AM on 09/21/2008
- CC1 I'm a Fan of CC1 6 fans permalink

Genocide is genocide no matter who is doing it and who it is done against. ALL genocide needs to be punished. If you want to sit by and say it's ok to kill innocents based on the crimes of their ancestors be my guest, but I believe all have a right to life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 10/12/2008
- larry278 I'm a Fan of larry278 47 fans permalink

I know nothing of ANC politics but has anybody E-mailed this to the RNC, W & Cheney? If Obama wins on 11/4/08, W & Cheney should resign at once. Obama's people can find a loop hole to serve the USA on an ad hoc, de facto basis & start cleaning up W's mess & the mess added by the melt down. The mess needs to be cleaned up & removed now. The mess will get much bigger if Obama & Co have to wait till after 1/20/09 to start on the job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 09/20/2008
- messy I'm a Fan of messy 32 fans permalink
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This is s coup de e'tat. Not democratic at all. I weep for South Africa.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 09/20/2008
- openhand I'm a Fan of openhand 30 fans permalink
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This is not a coup, please leave the hysteria for U.S. politics where it is needed. This is a vote of no confidence in a leader by his own party, typical of any Western Parliamentary Democracy. Whether we like the outcome, the majority have spoken, and that should give us great cause for optimism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 09/20/2008

Does the ANC as a party not represent the vast majority of black South African people? In asking Mbeki to step down, the ANC is exerting the will of its constituents. These circumstances should not then be referred to as anti-democratic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 09/20/2008
- bobo5 I'm a Fan of bobo5 16 fans permalink

Mbeki is Mugabe's friend and Bush's pointman for democracy.

I'm glad the system works in RSA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 09/20/2008
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