Economists see financial bailout as necessary

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MARTIN CRUTSINGER | September 20, 2008 05:25 PM EST | AP

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Construction is being done on a sidewalk in front of the New York Stock Exchange Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2008 in New York. Wall Street stumbled again Wednesday, with anxieties about the financial system still running high even after the government bailed out the insurer American International Group Inc. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)

WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely worse.

The $700 billion the administration is seeking from Congress as the upper bounds of what it will need to take a mountain of bad loans off the books of financial firms is certainly an eye-popping figure.

To get the funds to buy up the bad mortgage loans that have threatened to bring the financial system to its knees, the government will have to borrow. And that borrowing will come at a time when the federal budget deficit is already soaring.

The deficit for this budget year, which ends on Sept. 30, is expected to rise to $407 billion, a figure that is more than double the $161.5 billion imbalance for 2007, reflecting what the economic slowdown and this year's $168 billion economic stimulus program are already doing to the government's books.

The Bush administration is estimating that the deficit for the budget year that begins Oct. 1, which will cover the new president's first year in office, will hit $482 billion, a record in dollar terms.

And that forecast doesn't include the $200 billion the administration committed to spending two weeks ago when it took over the nation's two biggest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

And it doesn't have any of the $700 billion the administration is seeking to soak up the bad mortgage-backed securities that have been at the heart of the severe credit crisis the country has been struggling with since August 2007.

The legislation Congress passed this summer that gave the authority to rescue Fannie and Freddie boosted the limit on the national debt by $800 billion to $10.6 trillion.

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The legislation the administration is now seeking to authorize the financial system bailout, according to a draft obtained by The Associated Press, would boost that debt limit to $11.3 trillion, up another $700 billion.

It is the rapidly rising debt that is cause for concern. The government is already spending more than $400 billion a year just to pay interest on the national debt. The higher that debt goes, the higher the government's borrowing costs and the less it has to spend on other programs.

Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are both running for president, making campaign promises about what new programs they will implement once in office, promises that could be severely constrained by the costs of a financial bailout.

The escalating borrowing also means that the government is competing with the private sector for loans, driving up interest rates. And then there is the matter of the country's large trade imbalances which mean the United States has to borrow $2 billion a day from foreigners.

Will foreigners still want to lend as much to the United States if there are concerns that all the borrowing could weaken the dollar's value against other currencies.

But even with all these threats, economists said the government has to take decisive action because the alternative of letting the financial system slide into even deeper problems which could jeopardize the routine loans that businesses and consumers need was simply not an option.

"It was critical to arrest the downward slide in financial markets," said Sung Won Sohn, an economist at California State University, Channel Islands.

The dire situation was dramatically demonstrated this past week when the Federal Reserve, working with the central banks of other nations, poured billions of dollars into the financial system without any significant impact because of the fear keeping banks from lending.

The financial system has already been staggered with $500 billion in losses from the mortgage mess and the International Monetary Fund has estimated the ultimate price could be $1 trillion.

What the administration's plan would do is at least establish a price for the mortgage-backed securities, which at the moment no one wants to own.

Officials who have briefed Congress on Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's plan have suggested that one approach would be for the government to buy the toxic debt through a reverse auction process in which companies wanting to unload their mortgage-backed securities would propose a price to the government _ say 50 cents on the dollar _ and those offering the lowest price would win the bid.

By establishing a price for assets no one currently wants to buy, it could allow a market to develop and allow financial firms to get on with the effort of taking their losses and getting the damaged assets off their books.

"This could go a long way toward solving these problems," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, who has written a book on the mortgage meltdown.

And the final cost to the government?

No one knows for sure, but Zandi said if the experience with cleaning up all the assets left over from the savings and loan mess is any guide, it should be less than the $700 billion that the administration is seeking.

In the S&L crisis, the government was able to recoup about two-thirds of its initial costs when it sold the assets it had obtained from the failed S&Ls.

"Obviously there is a big upfront cost to taxpayers," Zandi said, "but the ultimate cost may be measurably lower."

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WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely w...
WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely w...
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- joebhed I'm a Fan of joebhed 45 fans permalink
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Just a couple of quotes to ponder.

""The truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capital to govern the world. While they are doing this the people must be kept in a condition of antagonism. By thus dividing the voters we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us, except as teachers to lead the common herd. Thus by discreet actions we can secure all that has been so generously planned and successfully accomplish­ed.""
- The Bankers’ Magazine, USA, 1892

""Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board (FED) to conceal its powers, but the truth is - the FED has usurped the Government. It controls everything here (in Congress) and it controls all our foreign relations. It makes and breaks governments at will"".
- Congressman Louis T. McFadden

""The issue which has swept down the centuries, and which will have to be fought sooner or later, is the People versus the Banks.""
- Lord Acton in 1875


""I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power of money should be taken from the banks, and restored to the people to whom it belongs.""
- Thomas Jefferson

Obama ??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 09/21/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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remember when the Military Experts told US the Iraq War was "necessary"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 09/21/2008

The current administration is to blame for the war and the economic conditions through their extreme conservative beliefs of degregulation and the fact war creates wealth for many of their corporate friends. They should but likely will never be held accountable.

However, all the above could not have been accomplished by these rogue criminals if not condoned by the mainstream media. If America had a legitimate media that did not purposely conceal the truth from the public and exposed the lies then none of this could have happened regardless of how corrupt Bush and Cheney were.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 09/21/2008

I fear that you have a point. Certainly, the level of corporate control of the media is not healthy for a democracy. On the other hand, we do have the internet based explosion in knowledge and many brave and thoughtful people have spoken up about all this for a long time.

I think perhaps this year they will be held accountable. It seems the Democrats, with Barack Obama leading today, have got some balls. His counter-proposal is so obviously better than the Paulson-Bush dead on arrival dictatorship that it will stall any implementation. Bush will be stubborn and not compromise which will lead to a melt-down. Then, even the most brain dead Americans will be convinced the Republicans need punished. Obama will win by 20 points and the Senate will be 61-39.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 09/21/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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absolutely!

The MSM providing the drumbeat is criminal in and of itself

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 09/21/2008
- JMorgan I'm a Fan of JMorgan 3 fans permalink

This is a swindle. Paul'son demands a "clean" bill with no limitations on CEO salaries or restrictions on golden parachutes. The legislation includes nothing about the cause of the problem, nothing to fix it or prevent it again, and nothing to help the American citizens who are drowning in debt&losing their homes.

The legislation includes a paragraph unheard of before this. It gives Paul'son, a prime player in this crisis, who has been asleep at the switch, the man who told Congress last year, "Subprime problem? No way!", it gives him total & complete authority and autonomy in handling this crisis. He is to be subjected to NO OVERSIGHT OR REVIEW WHATSOEVER. Not by any administrative agency, not by any court.

This is the Bus'h administration squeezing the last dregs from the middle class on its way out of town.

In another segment of Stephanopoulos's show, ChrisDodd&­JohnBoehne­r both beat the drum for it. They refused to answer Stephanopoulos's question asking them what exactly Paul'son told them in Friday's meeting that scared them. "It was sobering". That was it. Stephanopoulos wanted to know the words used, & they refused, "Don't want to scare the (kiddies) American people."

Cokie Roberts speculated that some (not her, just the "conspiracy minded") think this crisis is being manufactured, pre-election, to shift more massive wealth to the cronies.

See Naomi Klein suggest it's more "shock economy" on Friday's Real Time with Bill Maher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WgDjJqFP0Y

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 09/21/2008

NO BAIL OUT! PLEASE GO TO http://www.rallycongress.com/stopthehousingbailout/1094//
TO EMAIL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES A PRE-WRITTEN LETTER.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 09/21/2008
- nastywolf I'm a Fan of nastywolf 14 fans permalink

Paulson railed against homeowners yesterday, reminding them that they signed contracts and must pay what they owe. Yet Paulson's conveniently forgotten all the corporations that signed contracts and yet have been freed of their pension and benefit responsibilities, in the name of turning a profit for shareholders.

America's abandoned its ability to manufacture and provide all but share values. We have become a nation of dividend producers and our entire economic system is devoted to protecting big shareholders, even at the expense of every man, woman & child in America. We are now officially a rich vs poor society. We have, in the space of 8 tragic years, become an economic basket case. A Third World country. An economically and morally bankrupt nation.

God help us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 09/21/2008

Can someone please explain to me how the government didn't have the money to fix our roads and bridges and health care and so many other things we need, but we can find a TRILLION dollars to bail out irresponsible investors!!! Where is all this money coming from? China????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 09/21/2008
- jacqmac I'm a Fan of jacqmac 15 fans permalink

Yes! In order to PAY for this war, the government had to borrow $$-ESPECIALLY after the surplus was trashed. How was the surplus trashed? 'TAX RELIEF" Look--whenever you hear the phrase 'TAX RELIEF' coming from the mouth of a Republican--hold on to your wallet! Tax relief does NOT mean what the current candidates are trying to tell the poor confused voters out there. Look at what the Governor of Alaska did when Mayor and Governor. Cut the sales tax (as Mayor) , cut the gas tax (as Governor) and gave every citizen $3,000. WHOOP! However large the state's Permanent Fund might possibly be--there will be no revenue added from any kind of taxes. So-SPENDING will continue, for now, and then BORROWING WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN if the SPENDING IS GOING TO CONTINUE. Look at the MESS that the State of California is in! What happened? "TAX RELIEF"
WHO'S taxes got the most 'relief'? Those people with incomes of $250,000 or more a year. Those people who have capital gains. Those people who don't want to pay an Inheritance Tax. How do we make that up? TAX the people who are already BEING TAXED TO DEATH! Oh--and be SURE TO TELL THEM TO A)Apply for MORE credit than they could ever need and B) GO SHOPPING!! And because those big banks are selling THEIR debts to other banks in other countries, the $$ IS coming from China, Switzerland, Japan, Germany and Britain,to name a few.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 09/21/2008

We need to STOP this NOW.

Start lobbying your Congressperson and State Senator, tell them to BLOCK THIS PLAN.

It is nothing less than the largest CRIME America has ever been subjected to - Republicans and Democrats better stop their squabbles fast, and take note...the Bush administration is looking to sell us ALL out.

They are coordinating a massive transfer of wealth from the people to international banking institutions under the cover of economic crisis. This is CRIME, not conspiracy.
We need to impeach Bush and Cheney NOW and start jailing the people who are assisting them NOW. They need to be tried for TREASON for this.

This is the way that the North American Union is going to be sold to America, and the Constitution destroyed, by massive devaluation of the US Dollar. Bush believes we'll be begging to change to the Amero by the time he's done.

Better that the market goes stagnant or naturally collapses than kept alive by laundering bad debts. At least then it can be rebuilt with the proper safeguards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 09/22/2008

F**K the 'experts.'

They also told us the back ward nation of Iraq was an immediate threat to the US.

BS!!

Let Wall Street bail out themselves.

I'm MAD as HELL and I'm not going to take it any LONGER.

F&&k the spineless Democrats.

Impeach the criminals Bush and Cheney!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 09/21/2008
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Just wrote my reps-

Very easy to do and only takes a couple of minutes.

LET THEM KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS MESS!

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 09/21/2008
- charon I'm a Fan of charon 19 fans permalink

No bailout, no way. Let capitalism rule, free markets will decide fate. The bailout is like giving a crackhead more crack to cure his addiction. The economists need to be fired so they can get real jobs. The wealthy can pay for their addiction, and if they can't, oh well. No socialism to save the asses of the wealthy. Us working folks will take care of our own like we always have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 09/21/2008
- billyfitz I'm a Fan of billyfitz 14 fans permalink
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AMEN! The so called economists have been consistently wrong in their speculations on our economy. Now we're supposed to listen to them to the tune of 1 TRILLION DOLLARS? Get out of here.

If we're going to spend tax dollars, let's spend it to up the amount the FDIC insures - that at least protects the innocent. Let the rich bankers sell their beach houses.

No Bailout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 09/21/2008
- jacqmac I'm a Fan of jacqmac 15 fans permalink

We already are listening to them to the tune of 1 TRILLION DOLLARS. That is the TOTAL COST SO FAR OF THE War In Iraq! You know--the one that was SO NECESSARY?? So--what's another TRILLION here or there? It's all paper anyway--oh and computer keyboard strokes! Watch Enron: The Smartest Boys in the Room. Keep a bucket handy, you'll need it to vomit in! Enron was the bellwether and nobody listened. Just like nobody bloody listened during the S& L bailout. I think that maybe THIS is a big enough two by four to whack the population over the head with--and to get them to PAY ATTENTION.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 09/21/2008

How do you guys like bailing out billionaires.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 09/21/2008
- JiminNC I'm a Fan of JiminNC 268 fans permalink
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Who has been treasury secretary for the past few years?

Paulson is a Bushco thug. He must not be allowed absolute power in an attempt to "correct" his and his boss' total failure to lead. Let me get this straight. Paulson has been treasury secretary for how long? For what administration? He got us here and now says he will save us if we give him unmitigated control of a trillion dollars? I'll say this. These bushco b@stards have nerve.

And foreign countries can damned well bail their own banks out. That is absurd to think we should be responsible for French banks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 09/21/2008

If this measure goes through as written, oil will hit $200 a barrel before the election.

If we have an election at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 09/21/2008

"Economists See The Financial Bailout as Necessary" and who is sourced?

Mark Zandi, who works for Moodys, the company that "rates" securities. hmmm . He also advocated the stimulus - give 'em cash to spend- program earlier this year, as a cure all. Paul Kangas Nightly Business News - PBS. See how that worked.

HBO and a comedy show had a better, more independent, authority- Paul Krugman - Princeton economist - on the Bill Maher show, last Friday - with a different opinion

Read his at

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/no-deal/.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 09/21/2008
- katok I'm a Fan of katok 5 fans permalink
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Bailout may be necessary, but responsible parties must be identified and disgorged. Then Paulson's and Bernankes salaries for 2007-8 must be returned. Then Bush's and Cheney's increased wealth between 2000 -200. The Poppa Bush needs to make up the rest. He had to have anticipated GW ruining the country, he had already bailed GW out of multiple failed businesses before unleashing "Damien" on us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 09/21/2008
- lbcny I'm a Fan of lbcny 7 fans permalink
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If the Congress caves, I will never vote for a Democrat.

We can sit here and moan but I think anarchy is in order. Why not, we are basically fascists at this point anyway.

Our government doesn't give a flying f*** about anyone except themselves. Their money, their re-elections.

Nancy Pelosi will do anything for these criminals and ruin the chances for the next administration.

Let the bums fail. i don't even care about losing money. I just can't stand

by and watch them rape us. Enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 09/21/2008
- jacqmac I'm a Fan of jacqmac 15 fans permalink

You won't let these people do what they do and work things out, will you? You will always say that they were 'doing nothing' for two years. Yes--just TWO YEARS!! They stood up to the Republicans and were hooted and shouted down by their alleged 'colleagues' and the press. They were called 'communists' and worse by Bush cronies. And now, with a less than bullet proof majority in the Senate(see Joe Lieberman for details), they are steamrolled and bullied into positions that are less than what they wanted but more than what they had. And STILL you say 'F*** 'em! Okay! Vote for Nader. Vote for Barr. Lift Obama/Biden into the White House! Don't think! Don't read! Don't work for change. Just say 'F*** 'em all!
You ARE standing by and watching a rape! You are even holding the knife if you JUST SAY 'ENOUGH' and DON'T ACT. And somehow, I get the feeling that you really want Obama, who is STILL RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, to 'wave his magic wand and come up with a solution'. I doubt he'll even do THAT once he's elected!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 09/21/2008
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