Economists see financial bailout as necessary

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MARTIN CRUTSINGER | September 20, 2008 05:25 PM EST | AP

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Construction is being done on a sidewalk in front of the New York Stock Exchange Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2008 in New York. Wall Street stumbled again Wednesday, with anxieties about the financial system still running high even after the government bailed out the insurer American International Group Inc. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)

WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely worse.

The $700 billion the administration is seeking from Congress as the upper bounds of what it will need to take a mountain of bad loans off the books of financial firms is certainly an eye-popping figure.

To get the funds to buy up the bad mortgage loans that have threatened to bring the financial system to its knees, the government will have to borrow. And that borrowing will come at a time when the federal budget deficit is already soaring.

The deficit for this budget year, which ends on Sept. 30, is expected to rise to $407 billion, a figure that is more than double the $161.5 billion imbalance for 2007, reflecting what the economic slowdown and this year's $168 billion economic stimulus program are already doing to the government's books.

The Bush administration is estimating that the deficit for the budget year that begins Oct. 1, which will cover the new president's first year in office, will hit $482 billion, a record in dollar terms.

And that forecast doesn't include the $200 billion the administration committed to spending two weeks ago when it took over the nation's two biggest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

And it doesn't have any of the $700 billion the administration is seeking to soak up the bad mortgage-backed securities that have been at the heart of the severe credit crisis the country has been struggling with since August 2007.

The legislation Congress passed this summer that gave the authority to rescue Fannie and Freddie boosted the limit on the national debt by $800 billion to $10.6 trillion.

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The legislation the administration is now seeking to authorize the financial system bailout, according to a draft obtained by The Associated Press, would boost that debt limit to $11.3 trillion, up another $700 billion.

It is the rapidly rising debt that is cause for concern. The government is already spending more than $400 billion a year just to pay interest on the national debt. The higher that debt goes, the higher the government's borrowing costs and the less it has to spend on other programs.

Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are both running for president, making campaign promises about what new programs they will implement once in office, promises that could be severely constrained by the costs of a financial bailout.

The escalating borrowing also means that the government is competing with the private sector for loans, driving up interest rates. And then there is the matter of the country's large trade imbalances which mean the United States has to borrow $2 billion a day from foreigners.

Will foreigners still want to lend as much to the United States if there are concerns that all the borrowing could weaken the dollar's value against other currencies.

But even with all these threats, economists said the government has to take decisive action because the alternative of letting the financial system slide into even deeper problems which could jeopardize the routine loans that businesses and consumers need was simply not an option.

"It was critical to arrest the downward slide in financial markets," said Sung Won Sohn, an economist at California State University, Channel Islands.

The dire situation was dramatically demonstrated this past week when the Federal Reserve, working with the central banks of other nations, poured billions of dollars into the financial system without any significant impact because of the fear keeping banks from lending.

The financial system has already been staggered with $500 billion in losses from the mortgage mess and the International Monetary Fund has estimated the ultimate price could be $1 trillion.

What the administration's plan would do is at least establish a price for the mortgage-backed securities, which at the moment no one wants to own.

Officials who have briefed Congress on Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's plan have suggested that one approach would be for the government to buy the toxic debt through a reverse auction process in which companies wanting to unload their mortgage-backed securities would propose a price to the government _ say 50 cents on the dollar _ and those offering the lowest price would win the bid.

By establishing a price for assets no one currently wants to buy, it could allow a market to develop and allow financial firms to get on with the effort of taking their losses and getting the damaged assets off their books.

"This could go a long way toward solving these problems," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, who has written a book on the mortgage meltdown.

And the final cost to the government?

No one knows for sure, but Zandi said if the experience with cleaning up all the assets left over from the savings and loan mess is any guide, it should be less than the $700 billion that the administration is seeking.

In the S&L crisis, the government was able to recoup about two-thirds of its initial costs when it sold the assets it had obtained from the failed S&Ls.

"Obviously there is a big upfront cost to taxpayers," Zandi said, "but the ultimate cost may be measurably lower."

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WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely w...
WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely w...
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- oregonrain I'm a Fan of oregonrain 13 fans permalink
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Just heard this on CNN..... A china fund is looking to buy 49% of Morgan Stanley. WOW! That made the hair on the back of my neck stand up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 09/21/2008

At least the Chinese know how to deal with corrupt CEOs and governmental agency heads.

heh heh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 09/21/2008
- ropadopa I'm a Fan of ropadopa 27 fans permalink

Leaving the system to fail under its own pile of corruption and greed would have been a hell of a monument to a fail ideology. Its such a pity that the price for such a collapse would perhaps be too much for the country to bear particularly the for the poorest amongst us. So much for the much ballyhooed assertion that the private sector does things more efficiently than government?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 09/21/2008
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Not so sure this will affect only the poor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 09/21/2008
- oregonrain I'm a Fan of oregonrain 13 fans permalink
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Even though , Bush doesn't have much time left in office (we hope ), do we really want to give him ( and the next prez) more broad sweeping power ? I think Not !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 09/21/2008

People may not like the comparison but it's there whether you like it or not DEJA VOUS!

The USSR became saturated with corrupt financial practices and an ill conceived war in Afghanistan that eventually ended in the demise of their Republic. There are some of the wealthiest people in the world in Russia but there are also some of the poorest people in the world in Russia with hardly anyone you could put in the middle class category.

Corporations have no conscience only greed and Conservatism has one master and that is the corporate world and they cater to them exlusively. Greed and corruption are now rampant in America and the public don't seem to want to look for a way out of the tunnel according to the election polls.

What next Batman!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 09/21/2008

REALLY? Why don't these economists open up their bank accounts first?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 09/21/2008
- BIG JOHN I'm a Fan of BIG JOHN 14 fans permalink

IRAQ HAS A SURPLUS, WE HAVE A NATIONAL DEBT OF 11 TILLION, WE ARE SPENDING 10 BILLION A MONTH IN IRAQ, AND NOW 7OO BILLION TO BAIL OUT WALL ST. BUT NOT A RED CENT TO THE AMERICAN WORKERS, NOT A IRON DIME, NOT A WOODEN NICKEL, NOTHING, ZERO, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH. W.T.F. IS GOING ON HERE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 09/21/2008

You understand the situation correctly. :(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 09/21/2008

Find out who is giving financial support, including livehood, to the despicable economists supporting this transfer of wealth form savings to corrupt banking and I will show you intellectually controlled intellegentisa. Any economist who has any understanding of national and international economics knows that bailing out the most massive swindle in the history of man is futile and any serious attempt jeoparadizes that nation's currency and government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 09/21/2008

Just like all the "experts" said that there were WMD
and we HAD to invade Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 09/21/2008

Is this the "october surprise?"

Don't these banks have other assests- is EVERYTHING tied to mortgages in this country? Why can't the bankers unroll these accounts by themselves. Its going to take time anyway this is handled. One way the market can handle it, the others, Paulson et al will handle it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 09/21/2008
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 32 fans permalink

How about a 15% federal tax with adjustments only for dependents, poverty, and catastrophic health care costs. !0% if mortgage interest is deducted.

Regarding the bailout of w's economy:

Just readjust the terms of mortgages giving the homeowners a reasonable chance to own and pay.

This bailout is a panic benefiting cronies and the wealthy. Taxpayer money will hurt those making $150,000 or less, go into the hands of the already wealthy, and maintain poor lending practices.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 09/21/2008

The problem is not the houses any more. Bailout of Fannie and Freddie would have taken care of that. The issues of value pertains to the mbs, and the credit default swaps that were derivative to/from/spun off of them. Believed up to 17 times in vaule. $700B won't pay the CEO's golden parachutes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 09/21/2008
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Do we need the stock market? What did people do before the stock market?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 09/21/2008

Bingo, I say let the whole darn system fall apart.
Has not done us much good.
Start over for the 21st century....

no more consumerism
no more greed
no more corruption

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 09/21/2008

They lived in a simple subsistence economy in which the vast majority of people grew their own food and a few were merchants and tradesmen. Their standard of living was far lower, far, far lower.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 09/21/2008

By "simple subsistence" do you mean one automobile only, or perhaps none? No debt up to our eyebrows? No high-definition TV? Wow! What a scary thought! Or we could actually TRY living within our means, or as you put it, in a "simple subsistence economy." Some of us are doing that already, so we have nothing to fear if the bottom falls out for the rest of you guys. Let it fall! It's time you learned "the hard way" how to behave like mature adults instead of childish consumer addicts, doncha think maybe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 09/21/2008
- PT6 I'm a Fan of PT6 25 fans permalink

Obama is calling for a balanced solution that is more cost effective.

I suggest the following:

40% for Refinancing Institute to stop the hemmoraging of homeowners walking away from "Tricky" mortgages and their homes - They will keep paying on reasonable fixed loans.

60% for Wall Street Bailout.

So $420 billion to Wall Street
and $280 Billion to Americans to stop hemmoraging

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 09/21/2008

Sounds simple, but you forget the wars and all the other debt we already have because of this cabal of criminals.
$11.3 trillion debt. No can pay. WHERE DID ALL THE MONEY GO?
Most of it was stolen. Period.
And we're going to let them get away with it.
All this was pure greed, thanks mainly to Phil Gramm and his sneaking through this bill without anybody's knowledge.
Get on the computer and get ahold of your congressman. Do not let them do this to you...
These people are at fault. And their still running things.
The massive depression is going to happen anyways. Theres no stopping this.
We are the very people they base their business on. Us consumers. And their ruining us.

Well middle-class, it's been nice knowing you.


The worst is going to happen anyway. Don't bail out any of those thieves. NONE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 09/21/2008

YOu are not figuring in the CEOs golden parachutes and bonuses and such, add another 700b

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 09/21/2008
- PT6 I'm a Fan of PT6 25 fans permalink

Stop this $700,000,000,000 last scam of Middle class Americans by the administration!

"COUNTRY FIRST" is a slogan that covers up the last and biggest 1.5 tillion dollar middel class ripoff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 09/21/2008
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 281 fans permalink
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Funny isn't it that the dollar amount for the Bailout matches the Dollar amount of the same company stocks sold by the Executives and other Insiders of the Companys filing for bankruptize !

Funny isn't it !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 09/21/2008
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 281 fans permalink
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WHAT CHOICE ?

NO BAIL OUT = U.S. DOLLAR IN NOSE DIVE = DEPRESSION !!!!!!!

SO WHAT CHOICE ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 09/21/2008
- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 114 fans permalink
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We're already in a depression and have been for about two years. I'll take more of the same to keep my grandchildren's money from going to Dubai with Dick Cheney, thank you very much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 09/21/2008

Who says it is going to be a depression?
The same crooks who are stealing the country right from under us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 09/21/2008

at least wipe out all credit card debt out and refi all mortgages and vehicles at a stable rate. Then everybody gets a fresh start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 09/21/2008
- PT6 I'm a Fan of PT6 25 fans permalink

This is a downstream solution! Like Hillary said we need to address the UPSTREAM problem of peeople walking away from "Tricky" Mortgages and their homes.

40% for Refinancing Institiute Most cost effective solution, they keep paying their new fixed payments.
60% for Wall Street Bailout - we will not see that money again.

Obama and Hillary are the only ones with the "BRAVERY" to tell us the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 09/21/2008
- paixa3 I'm a Fan of paixa3 25 fans permalink

70 percent for the people
30 percent for wall street and they EAT the rest

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 09/21/2008
- nikky I'm a Fan of nikky 8 fans permalink

THE FIRST FOREIGN BAILOUT I HEARD IS FOR UBS PHIL GRAMM / MCCAIN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 09/21/2008
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 281 fans permalink
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I would jail Phil Graham for at least SEDITION!!!!!!!! or ECONOMIC TERRORISM OR TREASON !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 09/21/2008
- paixa3 I'm a Fan of paixa3 25 fans permalink

I have to admit he and McSame and bush are slimeballs extraordinaire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 09/21/2008
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