Economists see financial bailout as necessary

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MARTIN CRUTSINGER | September 20, 2008 05:25 PM EST | AP

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Construction is being done on a sidewalk in front of the New York Stock Exchange Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2008 in New York. Wall Street stumbled again Wednesday, with anxieties about the financial system still running high even after the government bailed out the insurer American International Group Inc. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)

WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely worse.

The $700 billion the administration is seeking from Congress as the upper bounds of what it will need to take a mountain of bad loans off the books of financial firms is certainly an eye-popping figure.

To get the funds to buy up the bad mortgage loans that have threatened to bring the financial system to its knees, the government will have to borrow. And that borrowing will come at a time when the federal budget deficit is already soaring.

The deficit for this budget year, which ends on Sept. 30, is expected to rise to $407 billion, a figure that is more than double the $161.5 billion imbalance for 2007, reflecting what the economic slowdown and this year's $168 billion economic stimulus program are already doing to the government's books.

The Bush administration is estimating that the deficit for the budget year that begins Oct. 1, which will cover the new president's first year in office, will hit $482 billion, a record in dollar terms.

And that forecast doesn't include the $200 billion the administration committed to spending two weeks ago when it took over the nation's two biggest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

And it doesn't have any of the $700 billion the administration is seeking to soak up the bad mortgage-backed securities that have been at the heart of the severe credit crisis the country has been struggling with since August 2007.

The legislation Congress passed this summer that gave the authority to rescue Fannie and Freddie boosted the limit on the national debt by $800 billion to $10.6 trillion.

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The legislation the administration is now seeking to authorize the financial system bailout, according to a draft obtained by The Associated Press, would boost that debt limit to $11.3 trillion, up another $700 billion.

It is the rapidly rising debt that is cause for concern. The government is already spending more than $400 billion a year just to pay interest on the national debt. The higher that debt goes, the higher the government's borrowing costs and the less it has to spend on other programs.

Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are both running for president, making campaign promises about what new programs they will implement once in office, promises that could be severely constrained by the costs of a financial bailout.

The escalating borrowing also means that the government is competing with the private sector for loans, driving up interest rates. And then there is the matter of the country's large trade imbalances which mean the United States has to borrow $2 billion a day from foreigners.

Will foreigners still want to lend as much to the United States if there are concerns that all the borrowing could weaken the dollar's value against other currencies.

But even with all these threats, economists said the government has to take decisive action because the alternative of letting the financial system slide into even deeper problems which could jeopardize the routine loans that businesses and consumers need was simply not an option.

"It was critical to arrest the downward slide in financial markets," said Sung Won Sohn, an economist at California State University, Channel Islands.

The dire situation was dramatically demonstrated this past week when the Federal Reserve, working with the central banks of other nations, poured billions of dollars into the financial system without any significant impact because of the fear keeping banks from lending.

The financial system has already been staggered with $500 billion in losses from the mortgage mess and the International Monetary Fund has estimated the ultimate price could be $1 trillion.

What the administration's plan would do is at least establish a price for the mortgage-backed securities, which at the moment no one wants to own.

Officials who have briefed Congress on Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's plan have suggested that one approach would be for the government to buy the toxic debt through a reverse auction process in which companies wanting to unload their mortgage-backed securities would propose a price to the government _ say 50 cents on the dollar _ and those offering the lowest price would win the bid.

By establishing a price for assets no one currently wants to buy, it could allow a market to develop and allow financial firms to get on with the effort of taking their losses and getting the damaged assets off their books.

"This could go a long way toward solving these problems," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, who has written a book on the mortgage meltdown.

And the final cost to the government?

No one knows for sure, but Zandi said if the experience with cleaning up all the assets left over from the savings and loan mess is any guide, it should be less than the $700 billion that the administration is seeking.

In the S&L crisis, the government was able to recoup about two-thirds of its initial costs when it sold the assets it had obtained from the failed S&Ls.

"Obviously there is a big upfront cost to taxpayers," Zandi said, "but the ultimate cost may be measurably lower."

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WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely w...
WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely w...
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- 957 I'm a Fan of 957 13 fans permalink

Folks we have been royally scammed, victims of a masterful con job, time to start the revolution, if the government wants to bail out wall street and the rich ceo's, then we insist they wipe out everyone's credit card dept also. no no this mess was a brilliant con job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 09/21/2008

Hear Hear

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 09/21/2008
- DRaymond I'm a Fan of DRaymond 65 fans permalink
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Yes a bailout is needed, but it is only because of the lobbyists that it is a bailout of banks. Bear in mind that it is the plunge in housing values that is making these mortgage-backed securities ballance-sheet poison.

So approach it from the home.

Instead of buying up crappy securities instead authorize the same 700 billion dollars to buy out homeowners who are facing forclosure. The buyout would be at the value of the purchase loan. no more. That would be just as usefull in fixing the problem. The problem with the mortgage backed securities that the banks are holding is that nobody knows how many of the loans behind them will fail. If the government says that NONE of them will fail (because they will be the backsop) their value would be solid and positive on the ballance sheet.

Meanwhile the government would rent the houses at market rates (and thus cover their interest cost) and in four to seven years when housing values have recovered sell them at a profit for the taxpayer.

So, a bailout play that will cover its costs as it goes and yeild a profit at the end. The Republicans would never accept it though because it would be 'rewarding personal irresponsibility'. They only reward corporate irresponsibility.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 09/21/2008
- alexis d I'm a Fan of alexis d 11 fans permalink

Well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 09/21/2008
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 334 fans permalink
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It would certainly be the humane thing to do. I agree with Obama that a change in bankruptcy laws is needed so people can at least keep their home during this crisis. I would like to see legislation passed to end the unethical practice of usery. The credit market has had a hay day exploiting the poor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 09/21/2008
- oregonrain I'm a Fan of oregonrain 13 fans permalink
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How about we vote out all incumbents, and give President Obama a clean congress !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 09/21/2008
- ella52 I'm a Fan of ella52 7 fans permalink

Wow, love this idea. Can we flood Congress with this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 09/21/2008

No really it's not the homes.

ITS THE MORTGAGE BACKED SECURITIES AND THE DERIVATIVES THEREON: CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS. ABOUT $10T OF THEM. WHAT ARE THEY WORTH?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 09/21/2008
- Fightnmad I'm a Fan of Fightnmad 43 fans permalink
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James Madison: History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance

I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.

Benjamin Franklin: When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 09/21/2008

If there is a heaven:

Washington, Jefferson, Ben Franklin, FDR, Lincoln, JFK
please help us. The country you built is going down the tubes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 09/21/2008
- WriterGuy I'm a Fan of WriterGuy 10 fans permalink

Åll of a sudden, this is a crisis? Not last month? Not a year ago, when people who should know these things could certainly see this coming?

The Bush White House forced a vote on the Patriot Act because it was a crisis.
The Bush White House forced a vote on the Patriot Act renewal telling key Congressional leaders that an attack on Washington might be imminent (it wasn't; they lied).
Now, Paulson has the balls to say that we have mere days to act before economic disaster?

I flat out don't believe it. It's okay to privitize wealth (lower the tax rate, eliminate the estate tax), but losses need to be socialized to protect "the system"? I say NO. I demand NO!

Let some more big names on Wall Street collapse. Then set up a new, heavily regulated system where companies can borrow money but where traders don't walk away with hundreds of millions of dollars for selling worthless piles of paper from one subsidiary to the next. I didn't hear anyone complaining when the investment bankers were clearing away billions in profits. I have zero sympathy for those traders now, or how they've been gaming the system for 30 years.

Lehman collapsed, and guess what-- the sun rose the next day.
Let them all collapse, and let a new generation of entrepreneurs -- the ones who bet prudently -- take over Wall Street. And never let this happen again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 09/21/2008

I don't believe it either.
But it is a good con game for sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 09/21/2008

yeah no
energy policy
health care policy
infrastructure policy
no manufacturing policy
global warming policy
can be reached by the government
but we can bail out wll street in a week with a bi partisan effort because the fed says we have to!
welcome to the twighlight zone....th­e greatest country in the world!
free market for people problems and socialism for wall street

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 09/21/2008
- ella52 I'm a Fan of ella52 7 fans permalink

I have been saying this over and over to friends and family for months and months.
I don't mind paying higher taxes if just once they would show me what I get in return;
better infrastructure
Health care
energy policy that will free us from rule of Oil

No, nada, rien
But let Wall Street drive itself into the ground and we have to act, act act, quickly so once again taxes will rise and we have nothing to show for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 09/21/2008
- ivillage I'm a Fan of ivillage 2 fans permalink

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 09/21/2008
- forpeace I'm a Fan of forpeace 304 fans permalink
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Where the hell have been all these "Economists" for past 8 years?!

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 09/21/2008
- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 96 fans permalink
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Reading Uncle Milty Friedman's books.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 09/21/2008
- paixa3 I'm a Fan of paixa3 23 fans permalink

'merkin' economists have their heads up their arses.....­.get real, wake up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 09/21/2008
- olephart I'm a Fan of olephart 105 fans permalink

I’ve got a better idea. Let’s envision and plan for a post Wall Street America. An America based on people working and earning a fair day’s pay for an honest day’s work. This in contrast to an America were those who work and create wealth are subservient to those who transfer wealth, borrow wealth and lend wealth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 09/21/2008

Count me in.

This is going to be the way of the new century:

Hard work
Honesty
Fairness
Personal responsibility
Public service

VOTE OBAMA HE HAS THE VISION

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 09/21/2008

Time for some King Solomon wisdom. What ever bailout congress agrees to, Republican Paulson should not be in charge. Only a democrat should be in charge.
22-51 wall street remind me of Bush rating 22 and Democratic rating 51. Now I know what the republicans were saying when they said "if we don't fight them there, we will fight them here" Iraq has come to WALL STREET. we must fight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 09/21/2008

i guess i'm most disturbed by the unknowingness of it all -- financial collapse -- a mushroom cloud if you will. we can't value it, they say. there's evidence, there's been some before.

700 billion dollars spent to increase demand would sure go aways, especially if done "progressively". if it all collapses, the gov't can buy the property on the cheap anyway. we don't know if this will work. the alternative is worse, we are lead to believe. you have to get sicker to get better. pain medication masks, it doesn't heal.

isn't it time to cut our losses and keep the "money", as if we had it. this administration has lied about mushroom clouds before to get a blank check from congress. it can't happen here some may say, but it sure as heck looks like it's happening again. this is the trouble in having a gov't that you can't trust. so, if there is a collapse, blame bush and the republicans. if i could trust them, then the bailout would've been done already. no doubt, others got us here now, but it's the lack of trust that makes me say no bailout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 09/21/2008
- Fraugher I'm a Fan of Fraugher 2 fans permalink

Is there not a single column out there that will read the opposite argument..­. that perhaps we need the deep pain of failures to cleanse the system... There are a hundred apologist editorials like this that more or less do not explain anything except the phantom "the alternative is worse", kind of like the war on terror... if we don't fight it, guess what will happen?

Someone please explain- in detail- if not just hypothetically- what will happen in the next 4 weeks if we do not do this bailout right away... anyone!

You can't just shift balance sheets around and say wow that makes everything better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 09/21/2008
- ella52 I'm a Fan of ella52 7 fans permalink

Check: The New Republic and the Nation online, you may find what you are looking for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 09/21/2008

They won't give us those answers or any details,
they say we are too stupid to understand it.

Just hand over the trillion dollars and be quiet. :(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 09/21/2008
- WTFbush I'm a Fan of WTFbush 6 fans permalink

"Send lawyers, guns and money! The sh*t has hit the fan, HA"

Warren Zevon
RIP

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 09/21/2008

No More WASP OLD MONEY Around....­..........­..........­..........­....It`s become Chinese Renminbis (The Peoples Money)

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ..........­..........­..........­........su­ck it up

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 09/21/2008
- rwe2late I'm a Fan of rwe2late 20 fans permalink

Chicago School economists and other shills of the plutocrats may 'support' the Paulson scam.

But not even all the establishment economists are on board according to this article.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080921/pl_politico/13689

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 09/21/2008
- Pdubya I'm a Fan of Pdubya 44 fans permalink

glad you get it.

these folks have never even heard of the Mises Institute.

My money is with Peter Schiff and Jim Rogers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d73KlhUq1W8

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 09/21/2008

'This could go a long way toward solving these problems," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, who has written a book on the mortgage meltdown.

This man has no credibility. Moody's- the same experts that rated this problem debt AAA and the associated junk AA and only got the guts to change the ratings well after defaults were cascading. The same experts who discovered that AIG was near bankruptcy after the market was screaming its demise. S&P, Moody's and Fitch are all an integral part of the incompetence problem. Ratings cannot be trusted because the analysts are in over their heads and management driven by bonuses. The SEC looked the other way. Atty Gen of NY, Cuomo, was the only guy to call them out and demand some accountability and the self serving business model. Where are the feds? They had a hearing. Status Quo continues. Shamefully I must admit that I saw it from the inside.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 09/21/2008
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