Economists see financial bailout as necessary

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MARTIN CRUTSINGER | September 20, 2008 05:25 PM EST | AP

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Construction is being done on a sidewalk in front of the New York Stock Exchange Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2008 in New York. Wall Street stumbled again Wednesday, with anxieties about the financial system still running high even after the government bailed out the insurer American International Group Inc. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)

WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely worse.

The $700 billion the administration is seeking from Congress as the upper bounds of what it will need to take a mountain of bad loans off the books of financial firms is certainly an eye-popping figure.

To get the funds to buy up the bad mortgage loans that have threatened to bring the financial system to its knees, the government will have to borrow. And that borrowing will come at a time when the federal budget deficit is already soaring.

The deficit for this budget year, which ends on Sept. 30, is expected to rise to $407 billion, a figure that is more than double the $161.5 billion imbalance for 2007, reflecting what the economic slowdown and this year's $168 billion economic stimulus program are already doing to the government's books.

The Bush administration is estimating that the deficit for the budget year that begins Oct. 1, which will cover the new president's first year in office, will hit $482 billion, a record in dollar terms.

And that forecast doesn't include the $200 billion the administration committed to spending two weeks ago when it took over the nation's two biggest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

And it doesn't have any of the $700 billion the administration is seeking to soak up the bad mortgage-backed securities that have been at the heart of the severe credit crisis the country has been struggling with since August 2007.

The legislation Congress passed this summer that gave the authority to rescue Fannie and Freddie boosted the limit on the national debt by $800 billion to $10.6 trillion.

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The legislation the administration is now seeking to authorize the financial system bailout, according to a draft obtained by The Associated Press, would boost that debt limit to $11.3 trillion, up another $700 billion.

It is the rapidly rising debt that is cause for concern. The government is already spending more than $400 billion a year just to pay interest on the national debt. The higher that debt goes, the higher the government's borrowing costs and the less it has to spend on other programs.

Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are both running for president, making campaign promises about what new programs they will implement once in office, promises that could be severely constrained by the costs of a financial bailout.

The escalating borrowing also means that the government is competing with the private sector for loans, driving up interest rates. And then there is the matter of the country's large trade imbalances which mean the United States has to borrow $2 billion a day from foreigners.

Will foreigners still want to lend as much to the United States if there are concerns that all the borrowing could weaken the dollar's value against other currencies.

But even with all these threats, economists said the government has to take decisive action because the alternative of letting the financial system slide into even deeper problems which could jeopardize the routine loans that businesses and consumers need was simply not an option.

"It was critical to arrest the downward slide in financial markets," said Sung Won Sohn, an economist at California State University, Channel Islands.

The dire situation was dramatically demonstrated this past week when the Federal Reserve, working with the central banks of other nations, poured billions of dollars into the financial system without any significant impact because of the fear keeping banks from lending.

The financial system has already been staggered with $500 billion in losses from the mortgage mess and the International Monetary Fund has estimated the ultimate price could be $1 trillion.

What the administration's plan would do is at least establish a price for the mortgage-backed securities, which at the moment no one wants to own.

Officials who have briefed Congress on Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's plan have suggested that one approach would be for the government to buy the toxic debt through a reverse auction process in which companies wanting to unload their mortgage-backed securities would propose a price to the government _ say 50 cents on the dollar _ and those offering the lowest price would win the bid.

By establishing a price for assets no one currently wants to buy, it could allow a market to develop and allow financial firms to get on with the effort of taking their losses and getting the damaged assets off their books.

"This could go a long way toward solving these problems," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, who has written a book on the mortgage meltdown.

And the final cost to the government?

No one knows for sure, but Zandi said if the experience with cleaning up all the assets left over from the savings and loan mess is any guide, it should be less than the $700 billion that the administration is seeking.

In the S&L crisis, the government was able to recoup about two-thirds of its initial costs when it sold the assets it had obtained from the failed S&Ls.

"Obviously there is a big upfront cost to taxpayers," Zandi said, "but the ultimate cost may be measurably lower."

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WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely w...
WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely w...
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- JiminNC I'm a Fan of JiminNC 296 fans permalink
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Protest Anyone?

Wednesday, Sept 21st
West Side of the US Capital Bldg
All Day Event

Any Takers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 09/21/2008
- peterg76 I'm a Fan of peterg76 34 fans permalink
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September 21st is not a Wednesday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 09/21/2008
- John51 I'm a Fan of John51 10 fans permalink

It is absolutely disgusting that we can bail out banks, including foreign banks, but we're unable to fix Social Security, Medicare, and our retirement / pension collapses. To hell with this Government. It has become so corrupt that it can't even provide the basis services that are the basis for a governments existence. Watch, when they are through bankrupting us they will tell us it's because we asking too much form the social systems that he have paid for in advance. I haven't any use for any of these crooks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 09/21/2008

This is a trickle down bail out. I would like to see a trickle up bail out.

If we took away all the bonuses and golden parachutes away from those who caused this, how much of that 700 billion would it pay for? Now if we took away the excess of the excessive salaries they were paid and contribute it to the 700 billion, how much would it pay for? 161 million in retirement benefits for the guys at Fannie and Freddie alone. I say F*ck them!

Used to be that upper management and corporate officers made 10 times what the average worker of their companies made. Now they make 400 to 500 times the average worker. They have destroyed the middle class, but still have the balls to ask us to bail out their failures.

Every time W has fast tracked something through, he, Cheney and their buddies of Halaburton and Big oil have made really big bucks and we the once middle class pay for it. This is the same thing with different buddies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 09/21/2008
- robeson I'm a Fan of robeson 30 fans permalink
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"... economists said the government has to take decisive action because the alternative of letting the financial system slide into even deeper problems which could jeopardize the routine loans that businesses and consumers need was simply not an option ..."

The mushroom cloud hysteria has hit the financial markets, not to kill Iraqis but to help the criminals who plundered the markets. The answer is not either or but what remedy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 09/21/2008
- geneven I'm a Fan of geneven 6 fans permalink

The headline says that Krugman opposes headline, but I can't find a mention of Krugman in the articles with it. Has HP been liberated from even slight accuracy in headlines, or did I miss it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 09/21/2008
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Are these the same "Economists" which provided the expertise which created this mess in the first place?

"Enough, Enough!" The Congress is a failed institution. Fix the Problem. Don't continue to allow the fox to guard the chicken coop. Recall legislators and jail all government officials, lobbyists, and corporate leaders who created this situation.

No respirators, let the corrupt institutions die.

ENOUGH!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 09/21/2008

You have got be kidding.

Sell all the crap to the American tax payer and leave the good stuff whatever that maybe, for the lying, thieving bastards of the financial system.

TO save the economy my ass.

Where were these e CON omists when all the thievery was going on?

We should first be going after the ill gotten personal gains for the mis-management of the banks that put us here, before we even think of asking the tax payer to foot the bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 09/21/2008
- geneven I'm a Fan of geneven 6 fans permalink

Is it in poor taste to point out that the Bush administration said again and again that it was going to dramatically reduce the annual deficit? That isn't going to happen. It wasn't going to happen even without this crisis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 09/21/2008

They lied.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 09/21/2008
- boophus I'm a Fan of boophus 10 fans permalink

Let’s examine some of the claims being made: On March 18, 2008, a “closed door” session of Congress was held for only the fourth time in history. According to House Rule XVII, clause 9, it is forbidden for members of the U.S. House of Representatives to reveal the discussions held behind those doors. The penalty for leaking such information includes loss of seniority, fines, reprimand, censure or expulsion. According to news sources, one purpose of the meetings was to discuss new surveillance techniques to be used by U.S. Homeland Security. Rumors continue to swirl as to what the other topics of discussion took place in that meeting.

According to the Australia.TO newspaper, as reported in the May 2008 Last Trumpet Newsletter (LTM), several congressmen were so incensed about what was discussed behind those doors that they were compelled to leak the contents of the meeting. Following is what is rumored to have been discussed: Imminent collapse of the U.S. economy by September 2008; imminent collapse of the U.S. Government finances by February 2009; possibility of civil war within the U.S. resulting from the collapse; detainment of “insurgent U.S. citizens” in anticipation of their moving against the government; the potential for violent action taken by citizens against members of Congress due to the collapses; the merger of the U.S. economy with those of Canada and Mexico as a solution to the collapse; ... copied from Cliff Ducke

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 09/21/2008

The bailout is a scam!
Contact your reps:

Dear Senator XXXXXX:
I am writing in very deep concern over the Wall Street Bailout Act, currently entitled as "LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL FOR TREASURY AUTHORITY TO PURCHASE MORTGAGE-RELATED ASSETS".

This is, to say the least, a deeply troubling bill. Specifically:

There is little to no oversight. Furthermore, section 8 ensures that any oversight is crippled from the start, as it states, and I quote from the text of the act: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."
The floating amount controlled by the Secretary of the Treasury is $700B is effectively a blank check as there is no hard limit.
It appears that the power of the Secretary extends to no-bid contracts.
It provides no restoration of the provisions of the Glass-Steagall Act, modernized or otherwise, that were stripped away by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. It does absolutely nothing to change the fundamental problems that led us to this situation.
I strongly urge you to vote against this bill. I know that we need to prevent the complete disintegration of our economy, but this is not the solution. This is a blank check to the executive; it is the abdication of the financial powers granted to the legislative branch in Article 1, Section 8 of the constitution.

Sincerely,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 09/21/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 402 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 09/21/2008
- WTFbush I'm a Fan of WTFbush 6 fans permalink

You know what? Let the whole damn thing go.

Then you will have REAL campaign finance reform, the END of lobbyist and a country of citizens that will undertand that INACTION is an ACTION.

The People of our country will finall get up off thier asses and pay attention. They will understand that there are bigger issues in life than lapel flag pins. They will read, write, protest and VOTE.

And finally, you will see YOUR government, representing YOU.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 09/21/2008

Dear Senator and/or Congressmember XXXX,

As a citizen residing in your district (state) and one of your long-time supporters, my message to you is short and to the point. If you choose to vote in favor of the Wall Street Bailout, I will not only vote AGAINST YOU in November, and I will devote a major portion of my time during the next month to explaining and convincing everyone I know to vote against you as well. Sir, this is indeed a threat - and one you ignore at your peril.

Sincerely,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 09/21/2008

Are these the "economists" who proclaim that the country is not in recession. How can these guys get it so wrong so much of the time and yet we are still listening. My dartboard is better than your dartboard but will someone please turn on the lights so that they can see where they are throwing the darts. Ouch, too late, that one hit the taxpayers, so sorry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 09/21/2008
- Stevealmi I'm a Fan of Stevealmi 2 fans permalink

You have a government that uses what means necessary to take our tax dollars and route them to specific private sectors that will do them the most good. Instead of infrastructure where it would create jobs and keep us safe, spend the dollars on conflicts with no resolutions or bailouts of private industries plundered by the privileged. The only solution to prevent socialism in the US is to break this “great” country into 5 or 6 pieces and thereby make the pie smaller. Maybe then the politicians would actually consider spending our tax dollars on the needs of the people they serve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 09/21/2008

Take the story away from the economists, who in any other times cannot agree with each other, but now are crying wolf. The truth is, the bush government is asking for a blank check, with the provision, "trust me"!. We will now see if Obama is correct, "the American People are not Stupid!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 09/21/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 162 fans permalink

Eight years (not counting Reagan and George I) in the making and now we're in a hurry?

He.l.l yes--in a hurry to cement their power before the elections. It isn't enough to have more than everyone else--It is more important that everyone else have nothing at all if they are to enjoy the privileges of kings. It's about the power. And if anyone thinks its just about the money--think again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 09/21/2008
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IMPORTANT READ..this Economy Bust predicted in March I sent it into Huffpo today

http://www.clifdroke.com/articles/may2008/051908/051908.mgi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 09/21/2008
- boophus I'm a Fan of boophus 10 fans permalink

I read and man that is scary. Especially considering McCain wants to damage Habeas Corpus protection in the constitution. Maybe that is why the right is fighting so hard to protect themselves by allowing them to lock dissidents up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 09/21/2008

Wake up, people... They are trying to enslave US!

Let the street die.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 09/21/2008
- oregonrain I'm a Fan of oregonrain 13 fans permalink
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" Necessary " for whom ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 09/21/2008
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