Economists see financial bailout as necessary

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MARTIN CRUTSINGER | September 20, 2008 05:25 PM EST | AP

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Construction is being done on a sidewalk in front of the New York Stock Exchange Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2008 in New York. Wall Street stumbled again Wednesday, with anxieties about the financial system still running high even after the government bailed out the insurer American International Group Inc. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)

WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely worse.

The $700 billion the administration is seeking from Congress as the upper bounds of what it will need to take a mountain of bad loans off the books of financial firms is certainly an eye-popping figure.

To get the funds to buy up the bad mortgage loans that have threatened to bring the financial system to its knees, the government will have to borrow. And that borrowing will come at a time when the federal budget deficit is already soaring.

The deficit for this budget year, which ends on Sept. 30, is expected to rise to $407 billion, a figure that is more than double the $161.5 billion imbalance for 2007, reflecting what the economic slowdown and this year's $168 billion economic stimulus program are already doing to the government's books.

The Bush administration is estimating that the deficit for the budget year that begins Oct. 1, which will cover the new president's first year in office, will hit $482 billion, a record in dollar terms.

And that forecast doesn't include the $200 billion the administration committed to spending two weeks ago when it took over the nation's two biggest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

And it doesn't have any of the $700 billion the administration is seeking to soak up the bad mortgage-backed securities that have been at the heart of the severe credit crisis the country has been struggling with since August 2007.

The legislation Congress passed this summer that gave the authority to rescue Fannie and Freddie boosted the limit on the national debt by $800 billion to $10.6 trillion.

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The legislation the administration is now seeking to authorize the financial system bailout, according to a draft obtained by The Associated Press, would boost that debt limit to $11.3 trillion, up another $700 billion.

It is the rapidly rising debt that is cause for concern. The government is already spending more than $400 billion a year just to pay interest on the national debt. The higher that debt goes, the higher the government's borrowing costs and the less it has to spend on other programs.

Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are both running for president, making campaign promises about what new programs they will implement once in office, promises that could be severely constrained by the costs of a financial bailout.

The escalating borrowing also means that the government is competing with the private sector for loans, driving up interest rates. And then there is the matter of the country's large trade imbalances which mean the United States has to borrow $2 billion a day from foreigners.

Will foreigners still want to lend as much to the United States if there are concerns that all the borrowing could weaken the dollar's value against other currencies.

But even with all these threats, economists said the government has to take decisive action because the alternative of letting the financial system slide into even deeper problems which could jeopardize the routine loans that businesses and consumers need was simply not an option.

"It was critical to arrest the downward slide in financial markets," said Sung Won Sohn, an economist at California State University, Channel Islands.

The dire situation was dramatically demonstrated this past week when the Federal Reserve, working with the central banks of other nations, poured billions of dollars into the financial system without any significant impact because of the fear keeping banks from lending.

The financial system has already been staggered with $500 billion in losses from the mortgage mess and the International Monetary Fund has estimated the ultimate price could be $1 trillion.

What the administration's plan would do is at least establish a price for the mortgage-backed securities, which at the moment no one wants to own.

Officials who have briefed Congress on Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's plan have suggested that one approach would be for the government to buy the toxic debt through a reverse auction process in which companies wanting to unload their mortgage-backed securities would propose a price to the government _ say 50 cents on the dollar _ and those offering the lowest price would win the bid.

By establishing a price for assets no one currently wants to buy, it could allow a market to develop and allow financial firms to get on with the effort of taking their losses and getting the damaged assets off their books.

"This could go a long way toward solving these problems," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, who has written a book on the mortgage meltdown.

And the final cost to the government?

No one knows for sure, but Zandi said if the experience with cleaning up all the assets left over from the savings and loan mess is any guide, it should be less than the $700 billion that the administration is seeking.

In the S&L crisis, the government was able to recoup about two-thirds of its initial costs when it sold the assets it had obtained from the failed S&Ls.

"Obviously there is a big upfront cost to taxpayers," Zandi said, "but the ultimate cost may be measurably lower."

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WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely w...
WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely w...
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- gakabani I'm a Fan of gakabani 20 fans permalink
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After the bailout inflation will be just around the corner, wait and see how house prices go down and gas goes up by December!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 09/21/2008

What a JOKE! Democrats had been asleep for the past two years! Senator Dobb is the Senate Chairman of the Banking Committee and had the audacity to say in July, 08: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Are Sound; Panic Unwarranted, Dodd Says
By Romaine Bostick
July 11 (Bloomberg) -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are sound, have several options for capital and liquidity, and the ``facts don't warrant'' the negative reaction by investors, Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd said.
``There is sort of a panic going on, and that is not what ought to be,'' Dodd, a Democrat from Connecticut, said at a press conference in Washington today. ``Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were never bottom feeders in the residential mortgage market.''
Dodd said options for the two largest U.S. mortgage-finance companies include using the Federal Reserve's discount window. He said the Fed and the Treasury Department are considering a ``number of options.''
http://ladybroadoak.blogspot.com/2008/07/fannie-mae-freddie-mac-are-sound-panic.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 09/21/2008
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Or when not asleep, overrode -- their majority isn't a large one. Or knowing of things we don't.

Who knows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 09/21/2008
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How about when reform of FRM & FRE was posed in 2003 Barney (the pimp) Frank said. ""These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis," said Rep. Barney Frank, then ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. "The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."
Dodd and Frank must go if there is to be credibility within the democratic party.

They are lying incompetent sacks who lap up wall street money and do their bidding.
It's hard out there for a pimp like Frank.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 09/21/2008
- euthman I'm a Fan of euthman 46 fans permalink
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I have been saving money since my first paycheck in 1968. Even when starting out, I kept debt to a minimum and paid off the few loans I took long before their retirement date. Now, because the rest of America went on a spending spree with money it didn't have, I have to watch as my the value of my savings dwindles to a fraction in the wake of the hyperinflation that is sure to come as the government prints currency to pay off the staggering national debt.

Like they say, "No good deed goes unpunished." ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 09/21/2008
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Stop whining. Run for public office. ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 09/21/2008
- connski I'm a Fan of connski 11 fans permalink

Paulson's contemptuous characterization as "speculators" of mortgagees who walk away from devalued homes makes his claim to help taxpayers by helping the real speculators ring hollow. It was the financial institutions, not mortgagees who created the derivatives whose low values are gutting financial markets. If the originating banks held the morgages, the damage of each failure would be contained within that bank. When his term ends, Paulson will return to Wall Street, laughing all the way to the bank, not Main Street. Don't trust Paulson farther than you can throw him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 09/21/2008

How can we be sure this is not another WMD story...A last ditch effort to raid our Treasury one last time?!
All the same suspects!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 09/21/2008
- Norge I'm a Fan of Norge 22 fans permalink

It is a bit rediculous to bail out with fiat monies. The national debt is 0ver 9 trillion at the present time.

When people or firms do not have the money to pay their debts it is called bankrupt and the consequences have to be paid. The delusional think they can bury their head in the sand and the debt will somehow dissappear. It will not and bail out is nothing more than putting the pain off till another time and then it will be even worse.

Spending is the main problem and it is such Americans have to stop and to burn their credit cards and doing such will slow the so called economy. People should not buy what they cannot afford. It is as simple as that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 09/21/2008
- boophus I'm a Fan of boophus 10 fans permalink

Every American share of that debt is $32,000. A family of 4 = $128,000. Make only minimum wage then you owe more than twice what you make yearly gross. And a family of 4 with both parents working at minimum wage owes 4 times as much as they gross yearly. Golly who needs to eat or have a roof over thier head? Now they are gonna add to it without oversight of the pigs eating

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 09/21/2008
- Norge I'm a Fan of Norge 22 fans permalink

It was foolish economics to have thrown all of those home owners out on the street. Now their homes which they once cared for sit and depreceate at an excelerated rate as they are not maintained and none of the loned monies is paid back. If those people had been allowed to reajust until their situations improved and remained in their homes, large numbers could have perhaps improved their life situations while at the same time having a base from which to do so. Now society must in one way or another share the responsibility of taking care of them. Also the depressions and psy. illnesses caused by such lose of losing their home is without measure.

A year or two could have saved large numbers of those home owners and reduced enormous amounts of human suffering. Yes there were those who speculated with their house buying though I doubt their were the majority.

It is a terrible life crises for a family to lose it's home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 09/22/2008
- 43P04T34 I'm a Fan of 43P04T34 12 fans permalink

Why are all these advocates of 'bailout after bailout' assuming that the people of the U.S. and their descendants for the next 100 years have this money? They DON'T !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 09/21/2008
- almoguy I'm a Fan of almoguy 7 fans permalink
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The answer of course is that it is all made up. What in the hell is a trillion dollars????? Ghost symbolic figures that is the collective fantasy of "economists"! In the beginning the economy went something like this:" I got an extra bunch of carrots and I see you have an extra chicken... Want to trade?" Then the bastards who produce nothing got involved.

I say let the whole system fail....come on boys...if you BELIEVE in capitalism it is "balls to the wall" time. Show some guts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 09/21/2008
- Nicolaus I'm a Fan of Nicolaus 9 fans permalink

The 'economists' seem to be selected in the main from those who watched and benefited from the biggest scam of the two centuries.

May be a bailout is necessary, but its magnitude and the way it will be spent seems far from 'regular.'

At the outset, there would need to be a claw back of all commissions and bonuses paid to the salesman all the way up to the CEO of every institution that joined in the scam.

All shareholders are responsible too for participating from their own funds in the bailout, since they ARE the presumed owners of the failed corporation.

Third, institutions wishing to be bailed out, should TRANSFER their assets to the state, as was done before (S & L scam). The state either sells off the assets or maintain them - depending on the prospects.

Fourth, the entire crew of economic advisers of the President down, should be sent home for the disaster they created. So should the President who slept on the job since last November wishing that $600 per head would do it!

Finally, the government should acquire the properties of insolvent mortgagees, establish various levels of repayments and offer rentals for those unable to meet their obligations.

I hold no breath. Congress is bursting with 'investors.' The bailout will give them a chance get their stacks out - in time for the INEVITABLE shoe to drop.

Is this thelast gift the President is bestowing on his pals before he leaves office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 09/21/2008

I oppose the U.S. Treasury's Financial Bailout Proposal in its present form. My reasoning is stated below. Instead of a wholesale bailout, I favor loans or equity investments in depository institutions (only), on a case-by-case, as needed, basis.

The proposed $700 billion bailout is massive, being greater than the cost of the entire Iraq war to date (which is estimated by the National Priorities Project at $555.7 billion). The bailout proposal authorizes the U.S. government to purchase mortgage-related assets from "any financial institution having its headquarters in the United States" (U.S. Treasury's Financial Bailout Proposal to Congress, September 20, 2008).

1. The Proposal Favors Creditors Over Homeowners
The proposal's $700 billion in aid to mortgage creditors dwarfs any federal assistance to homeowners. The mortgage rescue signed into law on July 30 is expected to provide only about $68 billion in mortgage guarantees for homeowners. That is the CBO estimate of the amount of mortgages that will qualify for refinancing under the new program, despite the nominal $300 billion authorization provided. (CBO Cost Estimate, Federal Housing Finance Regulatory Reform Act of 2008, June 9, 2008, p. 7)

2. The Proposal Provides Aid Indiscriminately
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3. The Proposal is a Poor Investment
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4. The Proposal Has Undesirable Consequences
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 09/21/2008

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I hear that the $700 Billion price tag is bogus and the real price is going to be $1.2 to $1.4 Trillion

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 09/21/2008
- peterg76 I'm a Fan of peterg76 33 fans permalink
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When have "economists" been right about *anything*?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 09/21/2008
- ron071 I'm a Fan of ron071 11 fans permalink

USE OF THE F E A R C A R D ONE MORE TIME.: Have we already forgotten the rush to war in Iraq and the disaster in lives and treasure? This is the same crowd now urging a QUICK FIX by those who gave us the Iraq FEAR FIX.

How can we possibly allow the creators of the disaster to fix it? It's akin to calling upon WILLIE SUTTON to fix a banking problem after his robbery. ABSURDITIES THROUGH FEAR. First, should be the immediate removal of the perpetrators and then the fix by a new untainted team. Is the logic lost upon all of us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 09/21/2008
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Overlooked “fundamentals”: Globalization is continuing to reduce global production costs, improve productivity, and raise living standards across the world.

Is the present global system sustainable?

In my opinion, it isn't because it must have growth to survive. We live in a world with limited resources so there cannot be perpetual growth. As Asia, Russia, and Latin America grow, their wealth, in part, will come at the expense of the West.

We must accept that there aren't sufficient resources for everyone to expand in perpetuity and that the system requires a miraculous event to permit continued growth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 09/21/2008
- FogBelter I'm a Fan of FogBelter 292 fans permalink
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No ... let the 1% suffer with the rest of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 09/21/2008
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THAT will never happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 09/21/2008

no matter is done to try and stabilize this situation, we as taxpayers are screwed. It just seems like it is a matter of how screwed we want to be.

My problem with this entire situation is that it was allowed to happen. It is government, real estate and financial institutions are all at fault as much as we are. I mean, we can continue to point the fingers and blame others, but people who took on bad debt and purchased things above their means seem as much to blame. I really don't know if this is the right perspective, but that is what seems like. This entire mess started with the real estate industry.

I was reminded by a colleague that the ownership of property is a privilege, not a right. I don't know if that it right or wrong, but I certainly made me think...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 09/21/2008
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