Economists see financial bailout as necessary

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MARTIN CRUTSINGER | September 20, 2008 05:25 PM EST | AP

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Construction is being done on a sidewalk in front of the New York Stock Exchange Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2008 in New York. Wall Street stumbled again Wednesday, with anxieties about the financial system still running high even after the government bailed out the insurer American International Group Inc. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)

WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely worse.

The $700 billion the administration is seeking from Congress as the upper bounds of what it will need to take a mountain of bad loans off the books of financial firms is certainly an eye-popping figure.

To get the funds to buy up the bad mortgage loans that have threatened to bring the financial system to its knees, the government will have to borrow. And that borrowing will come at a time when the federal budget deficit is already soaring.

The deficit for this budget year, which ends on Sept. 30, is expected to rise to $407 billion, a figure that is more than double the $161.5 billion imbalance for 2007, reflecting what the economic slowdown and this year's $168 billion economic stimulus program are already doing to the government's books.

The Bush administration is estimating that the deficit for the budget year that begins Oct. 1, which will cover the new president's first year in office, will hit $482 billion, a record in dollar terms.

And that forecast doesn't include the $200 billion the administration committed to spending two weeks ago when it took over the nation's two biggest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

And it doesn't have any of the $700 billion the administration is seeking to soak up the bad mortgage-backed securities that have been at the heart of the severe credit crisis the country has been struggling with since August 2007.

The legislation Congress passed this summer that gave the authority to rescue Fannie and Freddie boosted the limit on the national debt by $800 billion to $10.6 trillion.

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The legislation the administration is now seeking to authorize the financial system bailout, according to a draft obtained by The Associated Press, would boost that debt limit to $11.3 trillion, up another $700 billion.

It is the rapidly rising debt that is cause for concern. The government is already spending more than $400 billion a year just to pay interest on the national debt. The higher that debt goes, the higher the government's borrowing costs and the less it has to spend on other programs.

Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are both running for president, making campaign promises about what new programs they will implement once in office, promises that could be severely constrained by the costs of a financial bailout.

The escalating borrowing also means that the government is competing with the private sector for loans, driving up interest rates. And then there is the matter of the country's large trade imbalances which mean the United States has to borrow $2 billion a day from foreigners.

Will foreigners still want to lend as much to the United States if there are concerns that all the borrowing could weaken the dollar's value against other currencies.

But even with all these threats, economists said the government has to take decisive action because the alternative of letting the financial system slide into even deeper problems which could jeopardize the routine loans that businesses and consumers need was simply not an option.

"It was critical to arrest the downward slide in financial markets," said Sung Won Sohn, an economist at California State University, Channel Islands.

The dire situation was dramatically demonstrated this past week when the Federal Reserve, working with the central banks of other nations, poured billions of dollars into the financial system without any significant impact because of the fear keeping banks from lending.

The financial system has already been staggered with $500 billion in losses from the mortgage mess and the International Monetary Fund has estimated the ultimate price could be $1 trillion.

What the administration's plan would do is at least establish a price for the mortgage-backed securities, which at the moment no one wants to own.

Officials who have briefed Congress on Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's plan have suggested that one approach would be for the government to buy the toxic debt through a reverse auction process in which companies wanting to unload their mortgage-backed securities would propose a price to the government _ say 50 cents on the dollar _ and those offering the lowest price would win the bid.

By establishing a price for assets no one currently wants to buy, it could allow a market to develop and allow financial firms to get on with the effort of taking their losses and getting the damaged assets off their books.

"This could go a long way toward solving these problems," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, who has written a book on the mortgage meltdown.

And the final cost to the government?

No one knows for sure, but Zandi said if the experience with cleaning up all the assets left over from the savings and loan mess is any guide, it should be less than the $700 billion that the administration is seeking.

In the S&L crisis, the government was able to recoup about two-thirds of its initial costs when it sold the assets it had obtained from the failed S&Ls.

"Obviously there is a big upfront cost to taxpayers," Zandi said, "but the ultimate cost may be measurably lower."

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WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely w...
WASHINGTON — The economy could suffer a massive hangover from the government's efforts to rescue the financial system in the form of a soaring debt burden. But the alternatives look infinitely w...
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We the people need our own bail out I put forth the following fix.
1. Any one elected to the legislative or executive branch's of the Federal government shall be required to sell any and all stocks and bonds and remain divested of them from the first day of office to a period of three years after leaving office.
2. They shall be required to wear recording devices at all times outside their homes the recordings shall be broadcast to the public at all times in their home state and be made available to the public in other states.
As the people involved will now be working for the American people as a whole instead of themselves and their personal stock interests the American people shall increase the wage paid during their tenure and afterward for a period of three years they shall receive the same wage.
What do you think? i think the current fix is like having your leg ripped off and instead of a doctor you are treated by philosophers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 09/21/2008

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 09/21/2008
- BluePride I'm a Fan of BluePride 6 fans permalink
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Quickly, as with the Iraq war, the repubs decry that 'This is not the time to blame. We must focus on fixing this.' Sure, they don't want the lense of scrutiny anywhere near them. They've done it again. They'll continue to do it until they're stopped. Follow the money. If ill-begotten gains are sent to the Caymen Is...then, wire-transfer'em back.

Barack's vision with the Pointers' funk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVwpMB8QAUU

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 09/21/2008
- ron071 I'm a Fan of ron071 7 fans permalink

TO DEFY LOGIC AND GOOD SENSE: How can Paulson, Bernanke , McCain and the Republican heads of the regulatory agencies be called upon to fix tthe disasters of their making?

It's like asking WILLIE SUTTON to " fix " the banking problems after a successful robbery. Crazy is as crazy does. Paulson wants to rush his " fix " before the nation wakes up to the geatest scam of all time. Bettter Willie Sutton than Henry ( Wall ST. ) Paulson and Ben Bernanke ( slept at the switch) to fix the disaster they created by negligence.

Electing McSame is another fiasco like the above. New team needed to fix past problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 09/21/2008
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I'm in trouble financially !!!!! ..........­..where do I sign up for the bail out?? I only need about 100K.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 09/21/2008
- rr52 I'm a Fan of rr52 8 fans permalink
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As someone of the middle class making under $150,000, I don't plan on helping at all. If everyone in my bracket on down refused as a group, what the heck is Washington going to do about it?

The middle class is a big enough bunch to just sit this one out in unison. And I think a movement relative to this should start right now, up front, that we're simply not going to do it. Let those that prospered pay the bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 09/21/2008
- ron071 I'm a Fan of ron071 7 fans permalink

HOW CAN THE CREATORS OF THIS FIASCO ALSO BE THE FIXERS?

ONLY THE FEAR CARD COULD BE THE EXCUSE TO FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF
Henry ( Wall St.) Paulson, Ben ( asleep at the wheel ) Bernanke, McCain ( Commerce Committee Chairman) , and the rest of the Bush regulatory team. FEAR LIKE WMD's in IRAQ, and NOW LOOMING DEPRESSION. That's the Repug. method of carrying out their thefts. FEAR SELLS. Are we buying into this garbage yet another time? Let's wake up and REMOVE the CREATORS of the FIASCO and not allow them to become " FIXERS" ! Only then can we start on the road to recovery. NO MORE FEAR- INDUCED FIASCOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 09/21/2008

and the entire country remains locked in a left vs. right spiral of insignificance.

left, right....l­eft, right....l­eft, right

the middle class automaton marches itself off the cliff, playing out the apocalyptic fantasy of the deftly romantic elites who await their turn in paradise in the afterlife.

in the afterlife where those who were right all along realize their destiny.

power and insanity play in the same backyard. period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 09/21/2008
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a pro foundly s ick society." - Krishn amurti

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 09/21/2008

What this is about is that the fat cats are NOW starting to feel the pain and they don't like it. "Too big to fair" really means that now we are loosing money, before it was just the poor and middle classs. I say its about time the fat cats feel what the rest of America has been dealing with. It is important to call you reps and let them know what you think, they are fighting to get elected so they will listen for a change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 09/21/2008
- Gasparilla I'm a Fan of Gasparilla 30 fans permalink

Paul Krugman is highly skeptical on this. Let's not forget that Krugman warned years ago that this was coming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 09/21/2008
- lechatnoir I'm a Fan of lechatnoir 7 fans permalink

Economists are like George Costanza: we ought to do the exact opposite of what they say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 09/21/2008

About one third of Americans can't afford or are under insured on health insurance. Almost 20 percent of American children live in poverty. And some experts think these people should help bail oit the top one percent that own 95 percent of everything.

Get real!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 09/21/2008
- whognu I'm a Fan of whognu 6 fans permalink

You didn't even read this, did you? If they don't bail out these #*($&, we will all end up in poverty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 09/21/2008
- OlskoolDem I'm a Fan of OlskoolDem 3 fans permalink

maybe if you lived in poverty you'd feel tha same as Give Peace a chance.
I'm tired of corporate welfare at my expense, I'd rather my tax dollars went to feed the poor and insured poor kids and seniors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 09/21/2008

Much of America has been dealing with a downturn, what this IS about is the rich are starting to feel the pinch and its about time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 09/21/2008
- Waubay I'm a Fan of Waubay 3 fans permalink

You are drinking their Kool-Aid. They want this to seem like the end of the world so they can fear us into passing this ridiculous bailout. If they wanted to fix the 'confidence in financials' problem they should send out an army of auditors and open up all the books of these financial firms for the world to see. Then, and only then, will this 'crisis' begin to work itself out. Any other solution is just rich people protecting other rich people so they don't lose so much money that they can't afford their second or third yacht. Think of your day-to-day life and tell me how a crash in the financial markets would affect the majority of Americans. If any of you have less than $100,00 in an FDIC secured bank none of this has any bearing on you. If you have a stable income and good credit banks will still make loans and mortgages they will just have to service these loans themselves - like in the good old days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 09/21/2008
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