Dire warnings fail to sway senators on big bailout

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JEANNINE AVERSA | September 23, 2008 10:44 PM EST | AP

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From left, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, Security and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chairman Christopher Cox, and Federal Housing Finance Agency Director James Lockhart testify on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Sept. 23, 2008, before the Senate Banking Committee. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

WASHINGTON — Refusing to be pushed, Republicans and Democrats alike rebuffed dire warnings Tuesday from the government's top economic officials of recession, layoffs and foreclosed homes if Congress doesn't quickly approve the administration's emergency $700 billion financial bailout plan.

Congressional leaders still predicted passage _ with significant changes _ but Wall Street's nerves were hardly soothed. The Dow Jones industrials sank 161 points and now are off more than 500 this week after initially surging on the bailout announcement last week.

Deepening market trouble was just one piece of the economic havoc that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson told senators would ensue if Congress lags in acting on the administration's proposal to rescue tottering financial institutions.

"I share the outrage that people have," Paulson said. "It's embarrassing to look at this. I think it's embarrassing to the United States of America. There is a lot of blame to go around."

But without the bailout plan, Paulson and Bernanke sketched out a dire scenario for senators at a contentious daylong hearing: Neither businesses nor consumers would be able to borrow money, and the world's largest economy would grind to a virtual halt.

In public and in private meetings, both Democrats and Republicans said big changes are needed, presaging a difficult road ahead for the measure.

The legislation the administration is promoting would allow the government to buy bad mortgages and other rotten assets held by troubled banks and financial institutions. Getting those debts off their books should bolster those companies' balance sheets, making them more inclined to lend and easing one of the biggest choke points in the credit crisis. If the plan works, it should help lift a major weight off the national economy that is already sputtering.

One Wall Street firm got a boost Tuesday with word that Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc. is investing at least $5 billion in Goldman Sachs. It was a huge vote of confidence for one of the survivors of the credit crisis that felled two of its investment banking peers.

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The news sent shares of Goldman Sachs and stock index futures soaring in electronic trading, after the Dow Jones suffered declines.

Democrats were determined to wrest concessions from the administration on domestic spending and middle-class economic aid. And they said Republicans had to share in the politically tricky task of pushing through a financial bailout six weeks before the elections at a time when millions of everyday Americans are economically strapped.

"It's their problem. It's their bill. And they're going to have to figure out if they can support it," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said of Republicans.

"Nobody wants to have to do this," agreed Rep. John Boehner of Ohio, the Republican leader. He said he was hopeful of a quick agreement, despite withering criticism from conservative GOP lawmakers who recoiled at the prospect of federal intervention.

Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky., said, "This massive bailout is not a solution. It is financial socialism and it's un-American."

Separately, law enforcement officials said the FBI had begun investigating four institutions whose collapse helped trigger the financial crisis.

The FBI is looking at potential fraud by mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and insurer American International Group Inc., said two officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigations. The inquiries, still in preliminary stages, will focus on the financial institutions and the people who ran them, one senior law enforcement official said.

As for the bailout plan, both parties' presidential candidates joined fellow senators in insisting on alterations in the administration's drastic prescription.

Democrats and Republicans alike demanded that the bailout limit pay packages for executives of companies helped by the rescue.

"Clipping executive compensation is easy right now _ everybody wants it," said Rep. Jack Kingston, R-Ga.

Democrats also were pushing proposals to let the government take some type of stake in the companies that it helps. The administration has balked at that, fearing it would discourage financial companies from getting the help they need through the bailout, thereby blunting the plan's effectiveness.

Democrats also want to let judges rewrite mortgages to lower bankrupt homeowners' monthly payments, another demand the administration is resisting.

Both Sens. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., chairman of the Banking Committee, and the panel's top-ranking Republican, Richard Shelby of Alabama, said significant changes are needed before the rescue plan can be passed. "We have got to look at some alternatives," Shelby said.

Getting the action right is key, Dodd said: "There is no second act to this." He later spoke disparagingly of the administration's proposal. "What they have sent us is not acceptable," he told reporters.

Bernanke's remarks about the risk of recession came in response to a question from Dodd, who seemed eager to hear a strong rationale for lawmakers to act swiftly on the administration's unprecedented request.

"The financial markets are in quite fragile condition, and I think absent a plan they will get worse," Bernanke said.

Ominously, he added, "I believe if the credit markets are not functioning, that jobs will be lost, that our credit rate will rise, more houses will be foreclosed upon, GDP will contract, that the economy will just not be able to recover in a normal, healthy way."

GDP is a measure of growth, and a decline correlates with a recession.

Across the Capitol complex, Vice President Dick Cheney and President Bush's top advisers met privately with restive House Republicans, some of whom emerged from the session unpersuaded.

"Just because God created the world in seven days doesn't mean we have to pass this bill in seven days," said Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas.

Added Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., "I am emphatically against it."

Paulson, seated next to Bernanke at the Senate hearing, objected strongly when Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., asked if $150 billion might be enough to get the program started, with a promise of more to come.

That would be a "grave mistake," and would fail to give the markets the confidence they needed to rebound, Paulson responded.

Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., the Financial Services Committee chairman who is leading talks with Paulson on the plan, also called phasing in the bailout "highly unlikely."

Paulson was asked repeatedly why taxpayers should accept the burdens of a bailout.

"You worry about taxpayers being on the hook?" he replied at one point. "Guess what _ they're already on the hook." Paulson suggested that the fallout from the credit crisis would hit almost everyone in the pocketbook unless forceful action was taken. Moreover, the flawed and outdated regulatory system, which didn't catch abuses, needs to be overhauled, he said.

In New York, meanwhile, Bush was telling the U.N. General Assembly that the United States was taking "bold steps" to prevent an economic calamity that would be sure to have major effects around the world.

One of the tricky issues confronting policymakers is how to price the distressed assets that the government would ultimately buy.

Bernanke suggested buying the assets at a "hold-to-maturity" price, which would be based on an estimate of what the securities would eventually be worth as payments came in over the years.

"If the Treasury bids for and then buys assets at a price close to the hold-to-maturity price, there will be substantial benefits," Bernanke said. "First, banks will have a basis for valuing those assets and will not have to use fire-sale prices. Their capital will not be unreasonably marked down."

In contrast, if banks use existing "mark-to-market" rules that require them to value the holdings at what similar securities have recently sold for _ in some cases pennies on the dollar _ it could make the whole bailout futile because it would hurt many banks' balance sheets, causing some to fail. "This creates something of a vicious circle," he said.

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Associated Press Writers Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Martin Crutsinger contributed to this report

WASHINGTON — Refusing to be pushed, Republicans and Democrats alike rebuffed dire warnings Tuesday from the government's top economic officials of recession, layoffs and foreclosed homes if Cong...
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Don't you think it's fascinating that this bail out comes such a short time after making it MUCH more difficult for the common man to file for bankruptcy?
Doesn't anyone find that even the least bit interesting?
They knew this was coming and they knew the common man would need to bail out, but they don't want you to be able to.
They need you to keep working for SLAVE wages so they can keep their shell game going.
dreadful people.
just dreadful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nqDf1CsHQM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 09/24/2008

I am calling my senators and representative every morning.

1. REMOVE Section 8, paragraph 1 from the document. The Treasury Secretary's decisions regarding this matter WILL be reviewed in court and/or congressional committee when the people's representatives see fit.

2. We KNOW the root causes of this morass. Update and bolster the regulations to protect ALL Americans, not just Wall Street. Lobbyists will not write the new regulations.

3. OVERSIGHT

4. ACCOUNTABILITY

5. TRANSPARENCY

6. We want something for our money. By the time this is done, US taxpayers will have a bill for $2 Trillion or more. That's at least $3,700 for every adult and child in the United States.
If we have to bail out these failed firms, we should not accept their bad debts and junk securities. DON'T buy their JUNK. Let them clean up their own mess. These companies need to raise CAPITAL. We should buy STOCKS in these companies and when they recover and make profits, some or all of the stocks should be sold to pay for the PROGRAMS this country needs, i.e. health care, education, renewable energies, efficient cars, basic science and technological development.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 09/24/2008

Thanks for those points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 09/24/2008

Oh, and don't forget -- no million dollar severance packages for those crooks as they depart their failed banks. Give 'm $5,000 bucks and wish them luck...jus­t like real people get.
complete and utter criminals.­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 09/24/2008
- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 137 fans permalink
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Stand Tall, Congress.

You have absolutely no evidence to support the supposition that this Administration would never lie and can always be trusted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 09/24/2008
- Ogs I'm a Fan of Ogs permalink

What I would like to know, which no one is asking is where is all the money for this "bailout" coming
from? China? Social Security? Print more money? I'm at a loss for words as I consider all that is going on. And to top itoff, Paulson wants no oversite for this gargantuan amount of money. As a Bush appointee, anything he says reeks, and we should consider other options. Dodd has offered a different plan. ANYTHING is better than what is being offered

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 09/24/2008

O'M'God - at 8am Obama called McCains campaign to suggest a joint, bi-partisan statement, encouraging a quick passing of a comprehensive bill to solve the economic crises.

At 2pm McCain calls back and says ok. About ten min ago McC campaign released a statement that he is suspending his campaign until the bill has been drafted and passed. He want's the leaders of congress, Bernanke & Paulson and Bush and he (and Obama) to get together and hammer a deal out. He also wants to cancel the debate. Per MSNBC.

Why am I so jaded as to believe that this is another ploy by McC to try to out manouver Obama. He couldn't stand having Obama come up with the idea, so he trumped him. What a manipulative, conniving piece of work. Anything to win. McC has already politicized this mess. I guess this shouldn't be a surprise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 09/24/2008
- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 137 fans permalink
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Ya gotta link for that 8 AM call from Obama's camp?

As you observed, the McCain camp is taking credit, which lead me to believe they saw the polls and jumped on an excuse that they hoped would stop Obama's momentum.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 09/24/2008

O'M'God - at 8am Obama called McCains campaign to suggest a joint, bi-partisan statement, encouraging a quick passing of a comprehensive bill to solve the economic crises.

At 2pm McCain calls back and says ok. About ten min ago McC campaign released a statement that he is suspending his campaign until the bill has been drafted and passed. He want's the leaders of congress, Bernanke & Paulson and Bush and he (and Obama) to get together and hammer a deal out. He also wants to cancel the debate. Per MSNBC.

Why am I so jaded as to believe that this is another ploy by McC to try to out manouver Obama. He couldn't stand having Obama come up with the idea, so he trumped him. What a manipulative, conniving piece of work. Anything to win. McC has already politicized this mess. I guess this shouldn't be a surprise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 09/24/2008

Is there anyone else out there that thinks this might have been an intentional set-up by this administration from the get go? Think about it:

The taxpayers pick up the tab for all of the losses due to the "risk" taken by banks on subprime loans when markets were deregulate­d...

"Go ahead and GAMBLE!" Uncle Sam told them, "And if you WIN, my super-rich pals, that's AWESOME, and if you lose, we'll have the PUBLIC pick up the tab!"

No matter what, the bankers walk away rich and laughing. We witness the biggest transfer of wealth from the everyday taxpaying people of this country to the fatcat bankers already at the top. And guess who they are friends with?

So, anyone else think George gave them permission to go to Vegas with OUR MONEY? Anyone else think that we should own as much of the institutions as we pay in bail money, so when they become solvent again we see some return-on-­investment­?

At $7000 per person, I want some accountability and guaranteed payback!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 09/24/2008

Of course it's a set-up.
It always is.
It keeps happening over and over and over again.
that's why it's a crying shame that bush wasn't forced out of office.
The truth hurts!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nqDf1CsHQM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 09/24/2008
- spd I'm a Fan of spd permalink

I believe the Secretary and the Chairman that the financial market is in eminent danger of collapse and I believe that it is urgent to act quickly to minimize the damage to the economy.
Basically the plan is simple; buy as much as $700 billion in bad assets to be sold later. This is not the fraud or drain on tax payers I originally thought it to be. They will be able to reclaim much if not all of the 700 billion later on resale of those troubled assets. What I don’t understand is if we need to act so quickly, why did they choose to put forward such an unpalatable plan?
Items that should have been included are:
Compensation caps on executives of bailed out institutions.
There should be oversight on both the purchase and resale of troubled assets.
Asset resale moneys can only be used to by down the debt.
There needs to be a review board to override Paulson’s omniscient decisions when he's wrong.
I hope legislators have the wisdom to say no to the plan until said missing items are included.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 09/24/2008

I agree with the above..

The administration rushed us into the Iraq war with lies , deceipt and fear mongering.so what makes you think the tactics now are any different.­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 09/24/2008

I want STOCK for my money, not bad debts and junk securities. Where I come from, each person cleans up his or her own MESS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 09/24/2008

exactly, but they're the ones in power, so they will take care of themselves.
god -- too bad that airplane missed the pentagon.
if only bush had been impeached, tried for his war crimes and forced out of office in shame, it would have saved us a ton of trouble and exposed a lot more of the criminals in suits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nqDf1CsHQM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 09/24/2008
- 123dee I'm a Fan of 123dee 15 fans permalink

We the American people have had ENOUGH. One to many cons and scams from the
Bush Administration. This is the straw that breaks the camels back.

Help the scammed homeowners period, to Hell with the Fat Cats and the Bush Admin.
may they rot in hell. they should have to return their salaries for being so incompetent.

NO BAILOUT!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 09/24/2008
- ouroborous I'm a Fan of ouroborous 57 fans permalink

At a bare minimum, we need to assume some degree of public ownership of the firms we bail out. At a BARE minimum.

I think Obama's other requirements -- capping the obscene golden parachutes for the execs who led us into this, meaningful reform, and some form of mortgage help for average citizens -- are also pretty reasonable given the huge size of this check we're being asked to write.

Otherwise, we're being sold the proverbial swamp land. Otherwise, we might as well put 700 billion dollars (plus the interest it will accrue -- a LOT) in a big pile, and burn it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 09/24/2008

The neocon Republicans are running a well planned con game on the Congress and the American people. You can't make me believe that they didn't know this kind of thing would happen without regulation.
Instead of a bailout, all of the ceo's responsible for this mess should be arrested.
Congress is bargaining with a crime syndicate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 09/24/2008
- LAThinker I'm a Fan of LAThinker 16 fans permalink

Of cource they did, but what is few hundred billions? The Thiefs and Liars will still have theire millions


http://www.ucubd.com/Index.aspx?id=639&cid=3147

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 09/24/2008

exactly. they will.
you are exactly right!
they always do.
it's just a friggin' shell game and the people will always lose.
america is a plutocracy and has been for a long time.
Government by the people?
ha!
Government by "my people" is more like it.
bush should have been impeached and hung as soon as he started bombing Iraq. I'm out of their whole game and couldn't care less. Sold all of my stock while it still had value. Good luck, suckers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nqDf1CsHQM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 09/24/2008

Can't remember which pro-bailout pundit was saying this last night on PBS news hour, the gist was: we buy the bad debts (at say 20-30 cents on the dollar), then sell it at a "slight" loss to other investors.
Want to bet it would be the SAME guys who sold it to da guvment, thus laundering THEIR losses, and making a nice NEW bundle at OUR collective cost.

Nice to have friends in high places, eh?

I remember when "Section eight" referred to being crazy. As I see it, it still does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 09/24/2008
- alabaman I'm a Fan of alabaman 5 fans permalink

Well, you know the old adage: socialism for the rich and free enterprize for the poor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 09/24/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 94 fans permalink

I truly hope the congress doesn't allow paulson to shaft americans again. I hope they find a way to control that money so paulson's little fat fingers can't touch a penny of it. Greed never ceases to amaze me and I hate when I see it. And greedy BIG men are worse than greedy little men.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 09/24/2008

We have a fiat currency bubble burst.

Financial Crisis Fundamental Foundation Flaws and Solution

Congress is tapping into this info today.

On http://coinage.me/

The flaws are articulated in detail as well as the solution which involves a New Global Value Exchange Accounting System they have a list of power questions that media and journalists can ask.

One interesting ironic insight is a small fortune can be made off pennies as a result of the amazing paradox resulting from current market conditions. 1 lb of pennies is worth $6.00 tangible and only $3.00 intangible.

They make an interesting point why shouldn't the bail out (citizens going into debt) go to pay off the mortgages and then trickle down to those firms needing to be bailed out?

Read the power questions. http://coinage.me/power_questions.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 09/23/2008
- L0ve PEace I'm a Fan of L0ve PEace 13 fans permalink
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I have a couple of gallon jars full of pennies that I will donate for free if you will cancel my debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 09/23/2008

Riiiight?????
me, too!!!
and I have a THREE PAGE document letting you know why it's a good idea to do that.
Isn't it interesting that the laws were changed to make it more difficult for the common man to file bankruptcy just a short while before this whole mess hit the fan???
Isn't that interesting?
Why do you think that is?
Because they knew this was coming and didn't want the working class to be able to bail on the situation.
criminals, criminals, criminals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nqDf1CsHQM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 09/24/2008
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