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First Posted: 09-23-08 09:27 PM   |   Updated: 10-24-08 05:12 AM

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One of the rising stars of the conservative movement, Patrick Ruffini, has sent a shiver down the spines of his colleagues who fear that Republicans in the House and Senate might follow his call to vote against the "Bush-Pelosi Wall Street bailout."

In an analysis on his NextRight.com web site, Ruffini wrote:

"God Himself couldn't have given rank-and-file Republicans a better opportunity to create political space between themselves and the Administration. That's why I want to see 40 Republican 'No' votes in the Senate, and 150+ in the House. If a bailout is to pass, let it be with Democratic votes. Let this be the political establishment (Bush Republicans in the White House + Democrats in Congress) saddling the taxpayers with hundreds of billions in debt (more than the Iraq War, conjured up in a single weekend, and enabled by Pelosi, btw), while principled Republicans say 'No' and go to the country with a stinging indictment of the majority in Congress."

The strategy is reminiscent of Bill Kristol's key December 2, 1993 memorandum calling on Republicans to "'kill' -- not amend -- the Clinton [health care] plan because it presents a real danger to the Republican future: Its passage will give the Democrats a lock on the crucial middle-class vote and revive the reputation of the party."

But there is a big difference: Kristol sought to defeat a Democratic proposal, correctly arguing the political benefit to conservatives of defeating the health care bill would far outweigh the costs to the GOP. Ruffini, in contrast, has proposed an strategy to torpedo legislation designed to pull the country back from the brink of economic catastrophe. The hyperbolic but influential Ruffini is asking Republicans to take a substantial risk in opposing the bill -- on the questionable assumption that Democrats will pass it.

Ruffini's exhortations are not sitting well with some of is fellow-activists.

In a posting on The Weekly Standards web site, "A Time for Grown-ups," Dean Barnett wrote "Patrick Ruffini and I were colleagues at Townhall.com; he's one of the smartest young conservatives on the web. Thus, I found the following blog post he authored utterly dismaying."

Republican and Democratic Senators, Barnett argues, "realized that the economy was teetering on the brink of calamity. They knew that if promised government action didn't soothe Wall Street's panic, then partisan concerns would look very small. Moreover, the senators likely knew that if Wall Street perceived the way out of the financial crisis had become a political football, the panic could easily resume."

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The Paulson bailout plan is problematic on a host of fronts, Barnett writes, "But here's the problem - Congress simply can't punt ....Just as there are Republicans crassly calculating how they can leverage the current situation to their political advantage, there are obviously Democrats doing the same (although I'm not aware of any who have been so silly as to say so publicly). Fortunately, the grown-ups in both parties have controlled the situation. If the grown-ups decide this situation has become a political opportunity rather than a legitimate national emergency, we'll all have a problem - 'problem' here being a mild euphemism for an economic disaster."

Similarly, even John Podhoretz, who has taken delight in throwing stink bombs in the past, finds the Ruffini strategy excessively risky, writing on the Commentary web site:

"Everyone who is now talking about the potential horror of this new deal -- we need to slow it down, how can Congress give the administration a $700 billion blank check, etc. -- is kibitzing. By which I mean, they are complaining about it without offering much in the way of alternative options. Nobody thinks a bailout is avoidable. The question is whether there's time to ruminate about it without causing a massive crisis of market confidence that simultaneously kills the credit market off entirely even as it drains liquidity from the world economy."

In a striking display of confidence in what will surely be a Democratic Congress with very possibly a Democratic White House next January, Podhoretz argues, "There is one thing for certain: A piece of legislation, passed now to deal with the crisis, can be cleaned up and revisited in the next Congress, in early February.... There will have been four months to consider the longer-term effects of the bill. That is probably the best to be hoped for, and is, perhaps, the only responsible way to deal with the question of what needs to be done this week."

Ruffini, a 2000 University of Pennsylvania graduate in political science, describes himself as "an online strategist dedicated to helping Republicans and conservatives achieve dominance in a networked era." During the 2006 election, Ruffini was the Republican National Committee's eCampaign director, and in the 2004 election he helped run web operations for the Bush-Cheney campaign.

Ruffini's proposal has begun to echo through the blogosphere, and is producing some counter-strategizing among Democrats.

University of California-Los Angeles public policy professor Mark Kleiman, citing Ruffini, argues on his RealityBasedCommunity blog that "Democrats don't trust the Republicans not to double-cross them by allowing a bailout to pass (thus satisfying the Republicans' paymasters) while mostly voting against 'the Bush-Pelosi bailout' and running as populists." To prevent that, Kleiman suggests that "Harry Reid should announce right now that no bill will reach the Senate floor unless both Presidential candidates have signed on as sponsors."

As the Ruffini strategy gets picked up in the blogosphere, for example by Portfolio and The Hill, its call for 'no' votes by the GOP has already raised the level of distrust between the two parties, each fearful of taking the fall for bad legislation. Simply by entering into the public debate and touching a nerve in a climate where blame shifting is endemic, the young Republican gadfly has increased the odds of both Democrats and Republicans voting 'no' in an attempt to avoid responsibility for whatever unknown dangers lie down the road.

One of the rising stars of the conservative movement, Patrick Ruffini, has sent a shiver down the spines of his colleagues who fear that Republicans in the House and Senate might follow his call to vo...
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The biggest misconception that I see about the current plan is that it is money down the drain. You would think that the assets that are invested in with the money won't become completely worthless. I heard Barney Frank say that we could get 80% back, 50% at worst. That is still a huge price to pay and anyone who knows a little about investing knows that there is no guaranteed return on an investment...but we are in a big mess with few ways out.

It is really a tragic situation. If anything the voters should punish McCain and other deregulators by voting them out of office, but even that is a small consolation when the damage already done is considered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 AM on 09/24/2008

The problem is, Paulson doesn't think the taxpayer should share in the return. Can they be any more transparent? They could care about the average taxpayer until they want our money to bail out the cronies!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 AM on 09/24/2008
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They don't have a CLUE to that "worth", and that is the problem....the loans have been "parsed", and th values tweeked at each "parsing"....one 'home' can look like four separate 'loans', each with it's own particular 'value'...but if you look at the physical property, it could end up looking like a hole in the ground - much like the 'value' of the 'properties' we dumped millions into in the Iraq 'rebuilding'....

http://www.propublica.org/feature/kbr-exec-plea-widens-probe-909/

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/97794/military_contractors_are_still_getting_the_kid_glove_treatment/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 AM on 09/24/2008
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Nobody knows what any of this crap is worth...nobody...and that is the problem. Banks aren't lending to each other because they can't decipher each others books. I can't remember which failed bank already had an auction for these "investments", but they brought $0.20 on the dollar. With everything factored in they turned out to be worth $0.05.

The problem is that they aren't worth anything because they aren't really backed by anything of value. It's not like there's actual land to be auctioned (there is, but it's been chopped and rebundled so many times that you'd be hard pressed to find it). The hope is to get 50-80%. How audacious is that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 09/24/2008
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Oh, but don't ya know? As Steve Forbes says, all we have to do is suspend the Fair Accounting rule, so they don't have to "mark to market".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 09/24/2008

Honestly - we are heading for economic collapse either way. The Paulsen proposal merely ensures that when it arrives, it causes another Great Depression. In order to pay for the bailout, the Fed would have to print up $700 billion...which is going to grossly devalue the dollar as a currency...that eats at the spending power of the public. So not only do they foot the bill, they lose money off of the deal immediately.

Following this devaluation, America will find itself unable to pay off its debt - and will default. At that point, any idea of America in its current form being a global financial leader is gone - the fiat dollar will be dead, with no country willing to trade in it anymore.

Look around - most economists agree we are heading for unprecedented times; America will have to pull together through them as it always does.

To turn lemons into lemonade...this also represents an opportunity for America to redefine itself as a country and economically - the creation a minted dollar currency backed by gold would not only be prudent, but perfect to rebuild the US economy and restore the worlds faith in the USA.

Ron Paul really did call this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 09/24/2008

What a cynical political strategy in a dangerous time for our economy. Congresspersons on both sides should vote on the merits of whatever bill ends up being floored and not try to score political points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 AM on 09/24/2008
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You can go here to this site and it will automatically send an email to your Representative and both your Senators.

http://VoteNoBailout.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 AM on 09/24/2008
- refah I'm a Fan of refah 2 fans permalink

Has anyone actually formulated an opinion on what; "it's better than the alternative," means? Like, what is the alternative Hank? The jig being up for you tax cutting thieves, maybe. Thanks for the heads up Ruff. The thug parrots need more like you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 AM on 09/24/2008
- tavote08 I'm a Fan of tavote08 11 fans permalink

Based on what is not being said may City and States have invested employees' pensions in the markets. Families (middle income & poor) have years on money invested in life insurance policies, bank loans would not be available for any reason (co. advances for payroll, purchase of equipment and supplies which would mean layoffs) no car loans, no home loans, no student loans. There is also the average citizen who has monies invested thru 401K for retirement.

It will all be gone, gone, gone.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 AM on 09/24/2008

The 21st century is the time when the civilized world realizes what it has done in the name of entities like the World Bank and the IMF. And how uncaring of our fate those banking institutions are. Think a person defaulting on their mortgage, having their home foreclosed...think that, on a national scale.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 09/24/2008

Patrick Ruffini is reading the tea leaves correctly. I have called my representative (Wasserman-Schultz) and senators for the past two days (and plan to do so daily up until the bitter end) to BEG them to stop or at least slow down this runaway train. When I have asked which way the public's calls are going, they tell me most people are against this bailout.

Strangely enough, Mel Martinez's office wouldn't tell me which way the calls are leaning. That's because he's a Republican, and they are awaiting further orders.

They want to win in November, unlike the Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 09/24/2008
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Someone cited a poll that said that 70% of Americans are against this bailout. I was leery of it until I watched Paulson today and his "my way or the highway" mentality and then heard that Cheney was up on Capitol Hill trying to twist some arms to get it passed. Whatever is good for Cheney is the wrong thing for America. Now instead of being leery, I am completely against it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 AM on 09/24/2008
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How many of these people who are against it understand it? You could say I am against it because truly I don't like it, but we have to do it like tavote08 said in a previous post it does effect all americans investments and retirement funds if these banks fail. Don't think if it doesn't pass there will be no repercussions, there will be. Better think long and hard and not shoot from the hip with your decisions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 09/24/2008
- tavote08 I'm a Fan of tavote08 11 fans permalink

Don't beleive the hype... Unfortunately we have been blindsided again. Either way we are going to pay... if the legislation passes we will feel the pain over time for at least a generation, if we are lucky. If it does not pass we are going to feel the pain before month's end; and I can assure you that to spite all the finger pointing if the Rep. vote against a bill that (1) has oversight (2) restricts bonus payouts (3) has foreclosure relief (4) and equity for the tax payers; and the economy collapse their will be a massive revolt by the american people of all parties, economic backgrounds, races, and genders in favor of Dems.

People in this country are barely making it and the Republicans want to play cat and mouse with our financial future????? I say let them go for it and I hope the MSM picks up on this story ASAP!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 AM on 09/24/2008
- refah I'm a Fan of refah 2 fans permalink

Follow the money has suddenly taken on a whole new meaning.

God Bless loose cannons!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 09/24/2008
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hmmm....this is so critical but it can wait until the end of the week (at least) for a vote....B S.
and why would anyone put anything on a website that they don't want published all over the world...get it? ha!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 09/24/2008
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This whole "bail out" debaucle is proof once again that on the major issues we have only one party in this country: THE REPUPLOCRATS. The 2006 Congressional Elections should have given the Democrats the impetus to do as they were instructed by the majority of Americans: get us out of Iraq. Nothing came of it. The two parties stand as one with the exception of such fringe issues as abortion, guns, god and gays, which allows them only to pander to their respective bases.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 09/24/2008
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ramal

This is nonsense! The fact that Democrats have to deal with the crisis caused by Republicans to prevent economic calamity does not mean that the Democrats are the same as Republicans. Remember FDR had to take drastic measures to save capitalism after the calamity brought on by "Laissez Faire" Republicans. Surely, you don't want to see an economic collapse just to win an election. If the American people are stupid enough to vote for Republicans who have created this mess, but don't want to deal with it as adults, then the people deserve what they get. Republicans may win the election but it is the average Americans who will be the losers. We have already seen what Republican governance looks like. Republicans brought us the Depression of the 1930's and it seems that they are just as intent on bringing us another Great Depression of 2000's. Failure to address the financial crisis would affect the average person more than the rich CEO's. Of course, I am for punishing all the culprits who engineered this crisis. I do hope, however, that Democrats will chose to act responsibly, to protect the vast majority of us, even at the risk of losing the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 AM on 09/24/2008

If the Democrats lose the election, that is the exact opposite of protecting the American people.

I think people should be asking not just where the money will be going, but where the money has GONE. An educated, politically aware America would.

I think the answer to that question would tell you who REALLY opposes and undermines this country; the people paying off Bush to pillage his own country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 09/24/2008
- tavote08 I'm a Fan of tavote08 11 fans permalink

The problem is we did not put enough of them in there to override BUSH'S VETOS. That tide will turn in a few weeks. OBee will have a strong support system, McPail will catch hell on their road back to reality, and Liberman is done (traitor) DEMS WILL RULE!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 AM on 09/24/2008
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Oh and PS.

If republicans are going to play political games with this crisis, I say let the banks crash. It is all republican mess to begin with, it is beyond ridiculous that they are trying to play politics with it.

but then, like I said..there is no such thing as a principled republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 09/24/2008

I agree. Let the banks fall, let the fiat dollar collapse. Then America can rebuild its economy with a debt-free, gold-backed stable currency, and do away with the Fed and IRS. Talk about national prosperity.

I have a feeling that history will record that Ron Paul was right on all counts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 09/24/2008
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There is no such thing as a "principled" republican.

Don't they all have to sign a contract saying they have no ethics, no integrity, no honor, no honesty, no care for fellow man, and pledge to support the top 1% while throwing the rest of the country under a bus?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 09/24/2008
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I think there are a few principled republicans left out there, but they're getting pretty old.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 09/24/2008

The people who have steered the Republican party in the direction it has been heading over the last 8 years aren't Republicans. There's a big difference between a Neo-Con and a Republican in outlook and fiscal atttitudes for a start; no Republican true to the nature of their party would justify socialising Wall Street in order to bail out banks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 09/24/2008
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I am amazed that people here appear to be supporting this bailout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 09/24/2008

I was thinking the same thing.
A couple points from Glenn Greenwald over at Salon.
Monday Sept. 22,
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/22/paulson/index.html
"Right-wing opposition to the Paulson plan is vital for having any meaningful chance to stop it. Does anyone have any confidence at all in the Democrats' willingness and/or ability to impede this bailout train...? ... As sad as it is, meaningful right-wing opposition is critical for that to happen."

Then
Sept. 23
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/23/brooks/index.html
"Often, and certainly now, the more relevant dichotomy is "Plutocrat (or 'kleptocrat') v. Populist," and there are angry populists in the rank-and-file of both parties -- meaning the ordinary voters -- who haven't shared in the very limited and increasingly unequal prosperity created by corporate control of our Government.

"This was one of the central arguments of David Sirota's book -- Uprising: An Unauthorized Tour of the Populist Revolt Scaring Wall Street and Washington: namely, that while cultural wedge issues have divided ordinary American on the Left and Right, there is a growing, angry populism among both factions against the dominant Washington establishment elite that is so transparently running the Federal Government on behalf of the tiny group of corporate elite which funds and owns them. The backlash against the Paulson plan on both the Left and Right is a function of that same anger and resentment."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 AM on 09/24/2008
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Maybe you don't understand the ramifications if we don't. I'm not an economics major by any means, but I know that americans finances, their pensions, their retirement are all tied up in this mess. You need to understand that with their failure we lose. HOWEVER, what I think you are missing is that even though we support the bailout we do not support it in it's entirety.. Section 8 needs to be scrapped and we need to make sure we get some of our taxpayer investment back should these banks post a gain in the next few years, AND no CEO bonuses. So yes, I support the idea of a bailout but not the whole plan. More specifics are needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 09/24/2008
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This kid is 27 years old and directing policy?? Listening to too much christian grunge rock !!

Partisan posturing is out , dude !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 09/24/2008

Wall street got into this mess mainly because they listened to a bunch of "innovative kids", long on get rich quick schemes and short on experience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 AM on 09/24/2008
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excuse me watchingthings but most of those "innovative kids" in washington have been there for over 30 years and I could probably say without a doubt they are not "Kids" anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 09/24/2008
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Leave it to the Democrats to allow the Republicans and the media to completely re-frame history and the roots of this crisis. I swear....I have more contempt for the Democratic Party as a whole than I do for the Republicans. The latter has destroyed this country, but have told us over the last eight years almost exactly how they intended to do it. The Democrats have betrayed their base, which should be the vast majority of America. They stepped aside out of weakness and complicity and allowed this country to be raped. And now, they are going to allow the Republicans to lay enough political landmines to ensure that whoever wins in November, the GOP will come out stronger in four years.

It is 1976 all over my friends and you ALL will be fooled again. Get ready for "Morning in America, Part Two" in four years.

This makes me sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 09/24/2008

Brokenduck, I agree. I've called my congresswoman and two senators twice each in the past two days, and I intend to call every day -- until the vote on this atrocious bill -- with the following message: If the Democratic leadership allows this bailout to pass, they should expect to lose the presidential election.

And Obama is doing himself no favors right now by not leading on this immoral bailout. He should come out totally against it.

Our only hope in November will be to keep the majority in both chambers but we have to add more real Democrats and get rid of (or drown out) the Pelosis and the Reids.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 AM on 09/24/2008

In their defense, the Democrats need an alternative to the bailout.

If they could convincingly educate America in the wisdom of letting these banks fall, as opposed to the massive shock-and-awe media campaign the Republicans have ran over the last week to support the proposal, that would do it.

Not one person has come forward to give a convincing, layman's explanation of how this bailout benefits the American taxpayer in ANY way. Because simply put, it doesn't. All it does is make the prospect of a 2008/2009 Depression a reality. Flooding the economy with the needed $700 billion will leave millionaires burning their dollars for heat, just as the Russian default of 1998 left the Russians burning rubles.

America is being pillaged by bankers with the help of Bush and co; recognising this and seeing it in terms of an ACTUAL threat to national security (as opposed to shadowy, omnipresent terrorism) will be the next great challenge of this nation, and in fact, the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 09/24/2008
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As an Independent I don't know who the hell this guy is and don't care. Only an organ grinder's monkey dances to someone elses tune. I know the GOB has blown it big time over the past eight years and the public has a right to throw the bums out. My concern is that we are ridding ouselves of the flue and getting cancer in its place. The GOP has little respect in the rank in file Independent community but twits like Dodd, Pelosi, Shumer and Obama are a disease to this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 09/24/2008
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How is Obama a disease to this country? Explain?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 09/24/2008
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Obama is a cancer of hope, change, pride, and self determination. It's spreading like wild flowers all across this country and the Republican virus deception, lies, and greed is to weak to fight the cancer off. Hence all the hostility and desperation :)
Tthe only cure for them now is to drink the Obama-ade

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 AM on 09/24/2008
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It's frightening that you think the Bush administration is nothing but a flu, considering they've gotten us in mess after mess and have made every attempt to dismantle the Consitution. I'm not all that thrilled with some of the Dems in Congress (and many Repubs as well), but when I care Obama to McCain, and least Obama CARES about more than one issue. McCain is running because he wants to win the Iraq war...period. He sees it as his chance to do "right" what we did "wrong" in Vietnam, and his "NEVER surrender" attitude there scares many of us when he's not able to define what winning is. A president who's obsessed with the Iraq war, and quite frankly doesn't seem to really care about the economy or any domestic issues at all feel like it would be downhill from Bush, and I didn't think that was possible. The only thing I can image that's worse would be if he is elected and drops dead on day two...then we're all REALLY screwed with a woman who's completely clueless, and until a few weeks ago didn't even care about anything unless if affected Alaska. Talk about a sure death sentence for America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 AM on 09/24/2008
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Time for you to move to Mexico or Canada I guess huh? Nobody said this country is perfect but it's sure looking fascist to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 09/24/2008
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principled republicans is an oxymoron

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 09/24/2008

... as is "populist Democrats."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 09/24/2008
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