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September 23, 2008 02:53 PM


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One of the more interesting moments of this morning's Senate Banking Committee hearing with Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke came when Sen. Chuck Schumer offered an alternative to handing over a $700 billion bailout check to Wall Street.

Why not, the Senator asked, appropriate a portion of the money now -- say, $150 billion -- reassess where the markets are in a few months, and decide then whether more is needed?

"Could you live with less?" Schumer asked.

"I think that would be grave mistake," Paulson responded. "This is about market confidence and the tools to do the job."

Despite Paulson's dire words, Schumer's suggestion immediately became one of the main topics of conversation among the economic and political chatting classes. Indeed, later in the day, Sen. Barack Obama suggested that he supported the financial prudence behind Schumer's idea and thought it was worth exploring.

"When it comes to phasing in the bailout, I do think it is important to recognize we have a short term problem of keeping the markets functioning," he told reporters. "How much of the request that Secretary Paulson has made that deals with that short term problem, hasn't been made clear and it is something that Sec. Paulson should answer. If it is enough for us to look at $150 billion to $200 billion to cover that emergency, and there is an understanding that we have to set up some institutional structures in the long term, then I think that is something worth exploring. The key is that we are actually dealing with the immediate crisis. I think it is important for Congress to recognize that we don't do something too small that gets us back into this fix.... We have a leaky boat. We need to make sure that boat gets into the harbor and then we have to make repairs."

Over the week ahead the questions are likely to persist. If the $700 billion check would be there for the Treasury Secretary if he needed it, what is the need to fork it over in one swap? If Congress wanted to build oversight into the process, what better way to do it then holding the power of the checkbook over the administration's head? And how wise is it to saddle the next president with what could be an avoidable debt?

Among economists, the Schumer proposal provoked some interesting debate.

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"Unless Hank Paulson knows something really terrifying that we (and by that I include members of Congress) don't, I lean very strongly in the direction of Chuck Schumer's suggestion to give the Secretary of the Treasury a portion of the money he's asking for now, and then see how it works out before handing over any additional funds," said Steven M. Teles, an associate professor of public policy at John Hopkins University.

"I have extremely low confidence in the ability of a few smart people to concoct a perfect system from the center, in a week, in their first try. The odds that this will turn out to have some weird unintended consequences are almost 1:1," Teles added. "The real purpose of trying to get all the money upfront is, my gut tells me, to temporally extend the power of the current administration and to keep Congress out of the process. That is, if Congress passes a bailout now and hands all the cash over, the ability to do oversight is considerably limited. Basically, Schumer's plan puts Congress in the driver's seat, since whoever the Treasury Secretary is will know that his ability to get the next tranche of funds will be dependent on following Congress' will (as expressed through oversight hearings)."

Others, however, saw the logic in Paulson's point. After all, brief injections of capital into the market have been tried before, including the takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as well as AIG. And the success of those transactions was limited at best. Moreover, the point of the bailout is not, necessarily, to keep the market from failing, but to infuse banks with a sense of confidence (both that there is money to play with and that the bad assets will be taken off the books) to begin lending once again.

"I think there are a lot of problems with this plan," said Jeffrey Frankel, an economics professor at Harvard University. "The basic logic is that they have been trying smaller measures and that hasn't done it. It is the Powell doctrine for financial markets, something so big that it impresses the markets... As such, I am tempted to not go along with Schumer on that one."

Added Brad DeLong, a professor of economics at U.C. Berkeley: "There is a big difference between being the biggest gorilla in the jungle and being the second biggest. Paulson wants everybody to think that he is the biggest gorilla -- and there is good reason for him to do so... Nobody knows [how Schumer's plan would work]. It might have significantly less effect, though, if at each stage people thought that there was unlikely to be a next one..."

Despite the concern, Schumer's plan may have legs, especially with Obama's relatively enthusiastic take on it. Certainly, the main thrusts that underline the New York Democrat's proposal are bound to be debated vigorously in the days ahead. Will Congress act with haste or prudence? Can they fix the problem by overwhelming it or should they take a more fine-tuned approach? And how significant can the power of the purse be in securing oversight?

"The real question -- which Schumer asked directly and Paulson responded to unimpressively -- is what is the least Congress can do now to stop the bleeding, in order to provide enough time to really figure out what makes sense here, both substantively (that is, what policy approach would work) and institutionally (how to design the organization to implement it)," remarked Teles. "No one with any sense really believes that we can figure out a tolerably effective answer to a policy problem this complicated right now. Unless we absolutely do not have any choice, we shouldn't try."

One of the more interesting moments of this morning's Senate Banking Committee hearing with Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke came when Sen. Chuck Schumer offered an alternative to handing over a $700 bil...
One of the more interesting moments of this morning's Senate Banking Committee hearing with Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke came when Sen. Chuck Schumer offered an alternative to handing over a $700 bil...
 
 

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- Enehoa See Profile I'm a Fan of Enehoa permalink

"We do not support government bailouts of private institutions. Government interference in the markets exacerbates problems in the marketplace and causes the free market to take longer to correct itself." - Republican National Platform passed September 2008
Let the Republicans wallow in their mess. No Bailout on American taxpayers dollar.
Obama/Biden '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 AM on 09/24/2008
- normalkid0615 See Profile I'm a Fan of normalkid0615 permalink

Like I have been saying, Replublicans have NO platform. they make it up as they go along

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 09/24/2008
- Shabba See Profile I'm a Fan of Shabba permalink

If I were running the Republican campaign, I would want to as few of these economic problems as possible to appear between now and election day. The best way to assure that would be to ask for a boatload of money that would take to cover all contingencies. That way if another AIG-type bailout comes up, I could just take the money from the contingency fund, quietly shore up the failing institution, and there would be no newspaper headline about another failing institution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 09/24/2008
- tel8034 See Profile I'm a Fan of tel8034 permalink

And who pays for it? WE DO.

We should be ALL ABOUT TRANSPARENCY .......................... Why put the excess money in a contingency account just to avoid future headlines just for political reasons? .......................... WHY PLAN TO DECEIVE THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER? .............. THAT'S WHY WE WANT A CHANGE ................ WE HAD ALREADY HAD 8 YEARS OF DECEPTION UNDER A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION.

Whatever happens (good or bad) the taxpayers should ALWAYS know the facts ............ AFTER ALL THE TAXPAYERS WOULD BE FOOTING THE BILL.

RUNNING A GOVERNMENT IS NOT A BUSINESS .................. THERE IS NO PROFIT FACTOR ...... CITIZENS SHOULD NEVER BE TAXED MORE THAT WHAT IS NEEDED TO MEET THE COUNTRY'S OBLIGATIONS ..................... IDEALLY IT SHOULD BE A BREAKEVEN SITUATION.

And like Obama proposes, any benefits after any bail out funded by the tax payers, should be returned to the taxpayers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 09/24/2008
- PKSSK See Profile I'm a Fan of PKSSK permalink

There is something very frightening about this financial request and the terms that define the payment be made with no questions asked. Who and where is this money going to and why???? I cannot help but wonder if there is a cost involved with another 9/11 emergency to instill fear and impact the election. I don't trust anyone assoicated with this administration or the Fed Res.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 09/23/2008
- ggmome See Profile I'm a Fan of ggmome permalink

Bush and Cheney, in case you hadn't noticed, are 'fixing' matters that are in their interest, so that the New Administration cannot alter what they have put in place. Their policy in Iraq will go on with a New President, until they have established the purpose for being there from the beginning OIL, when Big Oil is established in Iraq, then, perhaps the troops can be pulled. But they are shoreing that up now!

Second, this immediate bail out of Wall Street, they have had in the works long before now, but have just 'created this crisis' which has to be done immediately if not sooner, before Congress recesses. It is like they want 700Billion in their pockets, and those of their Wall Street Buddies, before a new Administration comes into power. This is unconstitutional, and using Public funds to bail out Private Corporations, does not behoove the American Citizenry. These are THIEVES, and they aren't even trying to hide it. They are looting our Treasury plain and simple!

So the next President will have to take the blame for their Wars, their pilfering of our Treasury, and they can go to Honduras or Belize, and escape all punishment for their rape of our Country.

Their actions are proof positive that desparate people perform desparate acts! McCain is a looser, and they have found that they can't ochastrate that disaster, so they are making sure they come out flush!

ENOUGH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 09/23/2008
- wallygator See Profile I'm a Fan of wallygator permalink

I see bundles of Saran wrapped $100's being stacked on pallets,loaded onto a C-5 and flown to Dubai, where it will be safely tucked away into a vault at the brand new Halliburton World Headquarters.
To be divvied up four months from now.
No oversight from Congress or any court indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 09/23/2008
- darthdarcy See Profile I'm a Fan of darthdarcy permalink

"We are Goldman Sachs, Resistance is Futile..!"

"We are Goldman Sachs, you will comply..!"

"We are Goldman Sachs, you will be assimilated.."

"We are Goldman Sachs, give us The Money..!"

"Resistance is Futile...!"

"You will Comply..!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 09/23/2008
- UnderdogSRD See Profile I'm a Fan of UnderdogSRD permalink

This is the Bush, Cheney, McCain, republican golden parachute. Give us $700 billion dollars otherwise "disaster!" and you're to blame. But we're not going to tell you where the money is going, no one can review our decisions, and if we steal it or give it to our friends, we have judicial immunity so there is nothing you can do to hold us accountable. And we need the check by Friday. : ) Ignore the fact that we're the ones that screwed it all up, just trust us. : )

How ignorant do you have to be to even think about voting for the republicans again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 09/23/2008
- research See Profile I'm a Fan of research permalink

Unless you give me absolute power,

I can't save you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 09/23/2008
- Agentlady007 See Profile I'm a Fan of Agentlady007 permalink

Maybe they could balance a quarter of the budget at a time. That way it won't be so overwhelming. Poor guy. What a picture. Ha

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 09/23/2008
- CompetenceMatters See Profile I'm a Fan of CompetenceMatters permalink

Could we treat any monies we give them as a government grant, and follow those rules. Although the whole amount would be 'awarded', funds would be dispensed based on expenditures and progress reports. And any related income from other sources would have to be reported and would reduce the amount of a request of funds for the applicable period.

The total award amount should boost confidence and get things going again, without us giving up all ability to hold them accountable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 09/23/2008
- bobdob See Profile I'm a Fan of bobdob permalink

Yeah, well maybe it was a grave mistake to try to stave off a recession by offering a series of quarter-point interest rate cuts too. Maybe Paulson and Bernanke are the wrong guys to be talking to about this because clearly they were either too clueless to see this coming or too politicized to do anything about it.

Paulson and Bernanke are part of the problem--NOT the solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 09/23/2008
- CompetenceMatters See Profile I'm a Fan of CompetenceMatters permalink

wOULD YOU PAY YOUR CONTRACTOR ALL THE MONEY UP FRONT FOR BUILDING YOUR HOUSE, OR WOULD YOU RATHER PAY PER PROGRESS?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 09/23/2008
- CTtransplant See Profile I'm a Fan of CTtransplant permalink

Percentage of Completion - a WAY better deal if we do this at all!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 09/23/2008
- ajax2 See Profile I'm a Fan of ajax2 permalink

Why not a different source of funds other than the U.S. taxpayer? Why not a loan to the industry? Why not an equity stake for U.S. taxpayers? etc.etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 09/23/2008
- CompetenceMatters See Profile I'm a Fan of CompetenceMatters permalink

Why not borrow from other countries? Oh yeah, they already asked some of them, and they said, no way, it's your mess, you clean it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 09/23/2008
- robeson See Profile I'm a Fan of robeson permalink

CompetenceMatters, Ajax4 didn't say borrow from other countries, you did. When you start answering and criticizing your own questions you've been Foxed. Climb out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 09/23/2008
- Chillinout See Profile I'm a Fan of Chillinout permalink

Make your voices heard!

This site will automatically send an email to both of your Senators and your Representative.

http://VoteNoBailout.org

On Thursday, MoveOn is getting together protest rallies all across the country. Go here to get one started your town.

http://truemajority.wiredforchange.com/o/8/t/107/event/create.jsp?distributed_event_KEY=5

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 09/23/2008
- ptarantino See Profile I'm a Fan of ptarantino permalink

Bernanke said they don't need $700 Billion immediately. Chuck's limited plan is dead-on & we need to get reasonable equity, oversight & compensation & go after some crooks~ IF we bail-out these losers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 09/23/2008
- CTtransplant See Profile I'm a Fan of CTtransplant permalink

Sure is & sure do!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 09/23/2008
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