First Presidential Debate Obama-McCain: Analysis

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The Huffington Post   |   September 26, 2008 11:34 AM


Marc Ambinder: McCain's high-stakes gamble: "Tonight, John McCain has more to gain and lose. This week, McCain raised the stakes for himself a thousand percent. All those people that didn't realize there was going to be a debate tonight, those 60% of Americans who are tuned in to the economic crisis -- now they'll all want to catch the debate." More here.

John Judis: McCain "Putting Country Last":

[I}t is simply unpatriotic--it's an insult to flag, country, and all the things that McCain claims to hold dear--for McCain to hold this financial crisis hostage to his political ambitions. McCain doesn't know a thing about finance and is no position to help work out an agreement. If we do suffer a serious bank run, or a run on the dollar, it can be laid directly at his feet. As I said to friends last night, if McCain had been president at this point, I would have wanted to impeach him.

...Whether because of age or overreaching ambition, McCain has become the kind of man he earlier railed against. He has become the Bush of 2000 against whom he campaigned or the Senate and House Republicans whom he despised. His defeat is now imperative.

Howard Wolfson on how McCain's short-sighted focus on winning the day has backfired: "Its the difference between strategy and tactics, between a message and a war room, and it is among the reasons why Barack Obama, and not John McCain, is the clear favorite to be our next President."

Salon: "Hail Mary passes rarely connect," one GOP consultant says.

Newsweek: McCain has "proven to be a bull in a china shop -- or, more accurately, a bull that 1) misleadingly says the china shop is in disarray before he enters; 2) vows not to leave until he cleans up; 3) enters and shatters everything in sight; 4) blames everyone else for the damage and 5) leaves, claiming a job well done. "

Matthew Yglesias: McCain's surprise moves no way to run a country:

I'm glad John McCain decided to reverse himself and participate in the debate after all. But I hope he understands that a president can't actually govern a country like this -- debate on, debate off; against a takeover of AIG on Monday, for it on Tuesday; fundamentals of the economy are strong in early September, populism in mid September, wingnut tax policy in late September.


The press likes the unusual. The man bites dog story. The maverick senators who do weird stuff. But just because men who bite dogs make for good copy doesn't make biting a dog a good idea.

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Washington Post's The Fix: "McCain Blinks ... saw what at first looked like a brilliant political gambit turn into a nightmare."

US News' John Farrell: "Obama Looks Presidential While McCain Looks For A Photo-Op."

Poll: Voters Think Obama Will Win: CNN reports that expectations are high for Obama:

It appears Barack Obama has higher expectations to meet at Friday night's debate than John McCain does, a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll suggests.


According to the new poll, nearly 6 in 10 Americans think the Illinois senator will win the debates, while only 34 percent think McCain will come out on top.

CBS: Five Questions For Tonight's Debate: CBS asks if McCain has raised the stakes, if Obama is rattled, and who will have "the moment."

Slate looks at 50 years of presidential debate gaffes and offers some advice to McCain and Obama on how to succeed:

Barack Obama faces the Kennedy test: Can he come across as commanding? He's a good performer, yes, but will he touch people in a direct way that goes beyond delivering his lines well?


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Much of the debate will be about economic issues, potentially dangerous turf for McCain. If he has another moment when he declares the fundamentals of the economy as sound, he'll be in trouble.

McCain Urged To Attend: Editorial pages around the country urged McCain to attend the debate, Barack Obama's campaign noted.

Marc Ambinder: McCain's high-stakes gamble: "Tonight, John McCain has more to gain and lose. This week, McCain raised the stakes for himself a thousand percent. All those people that didn't realize th...
Marc Ambinder: McCain's high-stakes gamble: "Tonight, John McCain has more to gain and lose. This week, McCain raised the stakes for himself a thousand percent. All those people that didn't realize th...
 
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There was a tear in my eye when McCain started talking about his POW days, I truly felt pity for the old guy ...

But after looking in the mirror, I found an eye lash irritating my eye...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 09/27/2008
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I don't know how our guy did tonight. I went to a pretty big viewing party --- got there late and stood in the back watching a 110" flat screen monitor. I thought Sen Obama looked a bit nervous and unsettled particularly during the portion dedicated to foreign affairs. I personally thought he was a bit wordy. Maybe it was just me. The other thing was that not too many folks thought he did very well. I was still a bit worried after 5 beers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 09/27/2008
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You must have been watching with a group of GOPers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 09/27/2008

I smell a concern tr0ll - you know the ones who profess to be 0bama supporters, but who invariably "accidentally" bash 0bama while supporting the republican.

I loathe intellectual dishonesty.

IMO if you support McRude, say so and be judged by your choice. But people like this still have to hide, and clearly lack the courage of their conviction - like McRude lacked the courage and professionalism to look 0bama in the eye.

Lowlives all of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 09/27/2008
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Obama did just a great job tonight. Instead of being aloof, cerebral and distant - as he sometimes was against Hillary - he was focused, proactive and authoritative.

McCain had a habit of being condescending toward Obama, continually suggesting "he doesn't get it" and "he doesn't understand." His remarks were frequently diffused and meandering. And he continually brought up allegations against Obama that he couldn't substantiate.

Obama didn't let him get away with it. He answered virtually every charge, and especially the many baseless charges.

Obama looked right into the camera to address the television audience. McCain didn't do it even once. He addressed his remarks directly to McCain again and again. McCain couldn't even make eye contact.

Obama was well-prepared, knowledgeable, self-assured without being arrogant, and suitably assertive. A fine performance all around.

Say hello to your next President, America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 09/27/2008
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O8ama disagreed without being disagreeable.McPalin is so yesterday... not presidential...and just insulted north coreans(Civilians) for being short,the average;poor peasant people...Gosh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 09/26/2008

As an Obama supporter, I regret to admit it was pretty much a draw. Obama held his own on McCain's home turf - which could be considered a victory by itself - but he also missed a few opportunities to go for the jugular. Sometimes Obama seems too civil and nice to adopt a "killer instinct". He agreed with McCain far too often. But considering McCain's disastrous week, a draw still has to count as a win for Obama.

I can't wait to see next week's VP debate. Biden just has to show up and demonstrate his expertise - Palin will probably implode in front of the cameras.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 09/26/2008

I DID like it when McCain was lying so bad, Obama cracked up at him. That was great. It showed how silly McCain looked. Biden better beware. It is a very favorable format to a script as it will be all softball questions and very little interaction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 09/27/2008
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I didn't think it was a draw at all: Obama clearly won.

Sure, Obama could have gone for Johnny Mac's jugular--and I probably would have cheered along with you--but that's just not O's style. It's a matter of choice for him, not weakness.

But, all in all, I thought O. struck a good balance between taking the diplomatic high ground and not letting McGrumpy lie all over the place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 09/27/2008

I agree--it was at best a draw.

Now a lot of people would like to put a positive spin on things and argue that Obama looked "presidential" by not engaging in attacks.

But these people forget what this debate is all about: this is not about making the candidates' supporters happy -- this is about winning over those sitting on the fence.

Obama's inability to set the records straight silently gave credence to McCain's claims. And that plays into his image (which gets reinforced each time a Republican gets on the news) of being not ready, of being inexperienced.

After eight years, I though people were fed up with this truthiness BS. Spin in the end is still spin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 09/27/2008
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CNN is saying that their polls show most people (I don't know the percentage) think Obama won. I think he stood his ground on foreign policy and clearly won the economic part. McCain acted so condescending-his fans may like it but independents and undecided people might be really turned off. I couldn't stand watching him smirk and make comments and talk about how great he is and how he knows how to solve every problem. He has been in congress for 26 years. He could have fixed it then or tried to and he voted the wrong way on most issues most of the time. He also lied a lot tonight. He has consistently voted against vets and has a very low rating with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 09/26/2008
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I felt Obama should have gone after McCain on all of his votes against veterans benefits. Even mentioning his most recent objection to the GI bill might have been enough to send Johnny into a tirade.

Obama is still too reserved. I hope that will change in the next round based on feedback from his advisers after tonight's debate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 09/27/2008

AGAIN PALIN AWOL. AND WRONG FOR AMERICA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 09/26/2008
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Yes, MSNBC made a point of saying that they had invited Palin to comment on the debates but the GOP sent Giuliani instead. Palin's a real and growing embarrassment. I wonder how the GOP will try to wiggle out of her debate with Biden.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 AM on 09/27/2008

"He has become the Bush of 2000 against whom he campaigned or the Senate and House Republicans whom he despised.": Very well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 09/26/2008



Obama commanded the stage!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 09/26/2008
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I agree, and he did it with dignity. No pit-bull about him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 AM on 09/27/2008
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" McCain didn't have any freak-out moments. But he did have that sneer and there did seem to be this thing where he was so contemptuous and angry at Obama that he couldn't get himself to make eye contact. I think we'll hear more about that.

Angry, angry, angry. Part of the key here is that McCain is clearly miffed that he even has to debate or run again Obama. He thinks it's an insult."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 09/26/2008
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McCain is way way too full of himself...... People really turned off when McCain made the nasty sneers and comments. CNN had a focus group and when McCain did those things all the people - Republicans and Democrats gave him very low ratings. I thought he acted disrespectful and obnoxious. He looked like he could not stand Obama-like he is above him I agree. It made me sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 09/26/2008

McCain wrong about Kissinger

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/McCain_dead_wrong_about_Kissinger_s_stance_on_talk_with_Iran?OTC-em-sh1

Admits that US tortures enemy combatants.

Called Pakistan a "failed state"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 09/26/2008

Unfortunately, Obama let McCain lead the debate and was counterpunching at a lot of McCain's lies and exaggerations. Obama needs some quick simple answers that will make an impact. Then he can go on to explain the details. Example: When asked what he would cut to pay for the bailout, the first word out of his mouth should have been IRAQ. This would have put McCain on the defensive as they discussed the details.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 09/26/2008

Anyone notice on the NBC analysis, Biden offered a summary but Sarah Palin declined to show up to offer her two cents. Instead her pinch hitter Giuliani spoke, what gives???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 09/26/2008

It was announced before the debates that ever since this bailout program was announced Giuliani has been crawling up inside McCain's butt lobbying for some of the bailout money for his clients.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 09/27/2008

Obama sdoes not look too happy in the picture. ....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 09/26/2008

No question about it: Obama lost this round. He allowed himself to be labeled and insulted without ever responding. I'd like to see how Obama explains why he allowed a dilapidated and confused old man to beat him up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 09/26/2008

McCain wrong about Kissinger

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/McCain_dead_wrong_about_Kissinger_s_stance_on_talk_with_Iran?OTC-em-sh1

Admits that US tortures enemy combatants.

Called Pakistan a "failed state"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 09/26/2008
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The polls coming in to major news organizations do not agree with your assessment at all. That is what really counts.

McCain looked and acted like a frustrated angry crotchety old man bully by the way. Obama looked
smart and presidential.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 09/26/2008

I think it's just been so long since we've seen someone who has manners and is considerate of people that we disagree with, that it comes off as being weak. I find myself fluxuating between being really impressed by Obama's gentlemanliness and being frustrated that he doesn't go in for the kill more often. On the whole, though, I prefer to see Obama choosing to take the high road.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 09/27/2008

He was not beat up...he was a presidential. I know it's been awhile, since you've seen it so you may have forgotten what it looks like.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 09/26/2008
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Couldn't disagree more. I think that many are trying to gauge O with an overly macho yardstick. He's moved beyond you in that regard. And he did counter most of McCain's bs, but without lowering himself to his level.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 09/27/2008
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I'm wondering what the relationship of your opinion above is to your post of September 23: "This country acts like a bully overseas, but loves idiots at home." Seems inconsistent and confused.

McCain acted and acts like a bully at home as well as overseas, so why would independents and undecideds go for him en masse?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 09/28/2008
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