Obama Says Bailout Bill Should Not Include Bankruptcy Reform

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First Posted: 09-26-08 12:50 AM   |   Updated: 10-26-08 05:12 AM

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The progressive wing of the House Democratic caucus reacted angrily Thursday evening to the news that Barack Obama opposes attempts to add bankruptcy reform to the Wall Street bailout bill.

A large block of Democrats is seeking to add a provision to the $700 billion measure that would empower bankruptcy judges to help homeowners avoid foreclosure. The bankruptcy proposal and a separate effort to place caps on executive pay in firms that benefit from new government subsidies are two key, but controversial, provisions that Democrats have pressed for in recent days. They legislators have two aims: a) to help voters who are taking a beating in the current economic downturn; and b) to address public anger over what many of their constituents see as the transfer of taxpayer dollars to mismanaged companies.

Most congressional Democrats learned of Obama's opposition to the addition of the bankruptcy provisions at a closed meeting Thursday evening, after the White House meeting attended by House and Senate leaders of both parties, President Bush, and Obama and John McCain.

In fact, however, Obama had publicly disclosed his opposition 24 hours earlier, at a Wednesday press briefing in Clearwater, Fla., before he left for Washington.

Although very few media accounts noted his Wednesday stand, he told reporters in Clearwater that "issues like bankruptcy reform, which are very important to Democrats, is probably something that we shouldn't try to do in this piece of legislation." In addition, he said that his own proposed economic stimulus program "is not necessarily something that we should have in this package."

At the session Thursday night with the Democratic Caucus, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, according to sources, told members that Obama is "our messenger," suggesting that he should call the shots. Her stand did not sit well with members seeking to add amendments to the legislation.

In Clearwater, Obama said, "Every American has a stake in solving this crisis and saving our financial system from collapse, because, if we don't act soon, then people's jobs, people's savings, the economic security of millions of Americans will be put at risk. So, the clock is ticking."

Because of the emergency situation, Obama argued that "what we shouldn't do is to try to get everything done in this package. What we should be doing is following the clear principles, that taxpayers are protected, that we have oversight, that taxpayers are going to get their money back, and that the housing crisis is going to be dealt with as well."

The progressive wing of the House Democratic caucus reacted angrily Thursday evening to the news that Barack Obama opposes attempts to add bankruptcy reform to the Wall Street bailout bill. A large b...
The progressive wing of the House Democratic caucus reacted angrily Thursday evening to the news that Barack Obama opposes attempts to add bankruptcy reform to the Wall Street bailout bill. A large b...
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Mr. Obama, if you need a script, try this one:

"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank...You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, I will rout you out." - Andrew Jackson

Like the other poster said, these crooks should be explaining their case to a judge, not telling it to Congress with their hands out.

The economy is going to tank no matter HOW many trillions you dole out so face the facts and accept
that you will inherit a gigantic mess.
You have my vote and my confidence, Mr. Obama, but not if you don't GROW A PAIR!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 09/26/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

I have by diligent investigation fixed the blame on the Democratic members of congress who passed the Community Reinvestment and Redevelopmetn Act (Carter administration), Barney Frank, who resisted investigation of Fannie Mae in 2002 and 2003, the Democrats who voted against reform of Fannie Mae in 2005, Paul Sarbanes, who created the abominable Sarbanes-Oxley Bill, Bill Clinton, who relaxed investment rules (DEREGULATED) the investment banks and encouraged more shaky loans. What we Democrats have caused, we should FIX!
--Obama if he were honest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 09/26/2008

You were not dilligent in looking beyond your partisanship. As the Secretary of the Treasury has said, there is plenty of blame to go around.

What, specifically does Sarbanes-Oxley have to do with the current financial crisis?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 09/26/2008
- Chris I'm a Fan of Chris 12 fans permalink

What laws were broken? WHer eis the proof that laws were broken?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 09/26/2008
- Martee I'm a Fan of Martee 11 fans permalink

It's times like this that I worry that Obama might be too good for us. Apparently, Republicans and Democrats alike seem to want to grab as much as they can in a panic. Obama is maintaining his principles and not taking advantage of the situation to rush "pork" through in a moment of crisis -- even if it's delicioius, popular pork.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 09/26/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Well, if not too good, at least too arrogant and full of himself.

Jimmy Buffett song:

Changes in latitude,
Changes in attitude,
I spout the platitudes...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 09/26/2008

Yes, when you can't fight reason with reason, attack the person.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 09/26/2008

I agree. His position is very clear and principled. Don't try to force everything through in one super bill...thats ridiculous.

And it would be delicious pork.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 09/26/2008
- zizyphus I'm a Fan of zizyphus 110 fans permalink
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I am not claiming to be psychic, or able to see the future, but my gut tells me that no matter what steps are taken, the market is shot. We are going to have a depression, because the system itself is corrupt and unsustainable.

Paulson is willing to sell off American banks to foreigners to protect his bets, the hell with the taxpayers. He should be telling his story to a judge, instead of conning the Congress.

Message to Congress: do not be scammed into bailing out the banks. Our economy is going down no matter what, as all of you have been remiss in your oversight duties all along.

The big decision facing Congress: hand over the keys to the treasury to the the thieves, or spend that money on Americans who need it.

Make no mistake- this bailout is not about helping you and me, this is about helping the con men who swindled our country, and are poised to sell it to the highest bidders. This is economic terrorism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 09/26/2008

I hope you don't have a job because if they go down now, the credit market will freeze and you won't be getting a pay check :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 09/26/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 88 fans permalink

I think you've got some research to do about the Fed.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 09/26/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

No, the market and economic fundamentals are too good. If we solve this without creating a huge new government bureaucracy, the outlook is quite good. This is time to start dollar-cost-averaging INTO the market.

Most people do the opposite of what they should, driven by emotion as they are.
Stay cool, my man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 09/26/2008
- Martee I'm a Fan of Martee 11 fans permalink

Things are seldom as interesting (good or bad) as you might like (or not). So, if we did it -- it would help modestly. If we didn't, it would hurt modestly. Neither too much, nor too little. And so it goes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 09/29/2008
- Lazslo I'm a Fan of Lazslo 9 fans permalink

Whoa - Obama better get on the right side of this issue, fast. This is not good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 09/26/2008
- joselopez I'm a Fan of joselopez 10 fans permalink
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Obama is showing how a real President should handle the situation!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 09/26/2008
- Martee I'm a Fan of Martee 11 fans permalink

Agreed. At first it sounds odd -- but the idea of not shoving through "pork" in a hyped-up emegency appeals to people -- it's principled. If we're going to have something as large as bankruptcy reform -- we should have time to consider it -- debate -- not shove it through because we want it and we have them by the short hairs. Everything this guy does surprises and delights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 09/26/2008
- Lazslo I'm a Fan of Lazslo 9 fans permalink

If you think it's a delight to have the big financial firms bailed out while citizens have to foreclose on their mortgages, well that's more than a little weird. Obama is wrong to support a bailout bill, and now he's against even helping homeowners. I support Obama but his position is not good. Tell you what, why don't you give your money to the financial firms, and I'll keep mine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 09/26/2008
- jgronin I'm a Fan of jgronin 2 fans permalink

First this "bailout" will not help at all. what is getting bailed out are the financial institutions that created this whole problem to begin with . we should be talking about prosecuting these institutions and the individuals that control them not giving them taxpayer money to keep them from being uncomfortable.
This is supposed to be a Law abiding country, can we allow these financiers to rob us blind and then ask us to bail them out . if there is some pain for us to clean house on these guys , is that not better than perpetuating their criminality on us and our children forever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 09/26/2008
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You are absolutely correct. I can see why the House and Senate can't seem to figure out what to do about this problem. This country has been run on the master/slave mentality for so long, the rich feel it is only fair that the slaves, you and me, bail them out of the situation yet again. After all, we built the country on the backs of the slaves once, why not do it again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 09/26/2008
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Fear and chaos - The American Way!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 09/26/2008
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Don't you think the Dems would have had a regulation package in the works over the years anticipating this money/power grab?

Naw, they were too busy getting campaign money from the very people who will reap the benefits of our largess.

I'm afraid we get to watch Obama steer right down the middle of this to the detriment of all.

Nader '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 09/26/2008

When we rush things, we inevitably make mistakes. Isn't that what Sen. Obama asserts occurred prior to entering Iraq - a rush to war? I don't know that many people who are educated about the industry - economists, I mean - are happy about the bailout plan (and maybe that's because they don't know enough about it, like almost half of Americans. However, the stock market is in thrall to those at Capitol Hill right now, whether the plan for the bailout is a good one or not. So, _a_ plan (any plan - actually helpful or not) is going to have to pass...soon. Impasse....

As to the foreclosure plan - loan restructuring by the gov't (that banks are not really set up to handle on a case by case basis) - didn't sound like something that should be considered hand-in-hand with the bailout plan.... But hasn't everyone been saying the fate of 'victims' of the foreclosure crisis must be helped? I don't think people who did not (like we did) save enough to put down a respectable down payment on their home, buy a home within their means, or read carefully the terms of the loan instruments they signed are victims. Still, it's better for people to pay down a restructured loan than to have banks foreclose...for everyone.

Why shouldn't include the foreclosure plan - that is, if it is a plan to do what I outlined above; and include CEO earnings limitations and oversight into the bailout plan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 09/26/2008
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It's called haste makes waste.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 09/26/2008
- BluePride I'm a Fan of BluePride 6 fans permalink
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Before we got to DEFCON 1 weren't there supposed to be COLOR CODES..? ? ? How did we go from NOTHING to RED w/o seeing the WARINING colors of BLUE, YELLOW, ORANGE ? ? ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZsLva3C4pU

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 09/26/2008
- PSM42 I'm a Fan of PSM42 20 fans permalink
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Amusing video - Republican Pirates Pillage & Plunder U.S. Treasury. Yours?

BUT given that it had NOTHING to do with a national threat level, are you a paid Republican't shill?

Still. Clever stunt. It show more smarts than is safe in a Republican't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 09/26/2008
- izzat7 I'm a Fan of izzat7 5 fans permalink

I agree with Obama about not gumming up this "rescue plan" , but will the AVERAGE American VOTER agree??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 09/26/2008
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that is exactly what i was about to say..... lets keep this bill simple, make it precise to the issues at hand and enforce it to the fullest extent of the law

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 09/26/2008

I agree, as another blogger put it, the Bankruptcy bill is too complex to mix it up with anything else. O.b.a.ma has always been a strong supporter of revamping the Bankruptcy bill so I dont think he is giving up that easy, all he is simply saying is not with this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 09/26/2008
- tgood I'm a Fan of tgood 8 fans permalink

The bankruptcy law that was passed a couple of years ago went against what even bankruptcy judges stated was needed and Obama was for it. What it meant was that regardless of how desperate the situation, an American could be in debt for the rest of their life. Businesses can bail out but no catastrophic event in the life of a citizen would give them bankruptcy relief. They still have to find a way to make payments.

Obama didn't care then and he won't care tomorrow. He doesn't want the bankruptcy clause in this bail out bill because it would reflect as a bad vote, bad decision on his part two years ago. It's all about politics. He's now carrying on about the U.S. wiping out malaria across the world but God forbid an American gets something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 09/26/2008
- bogues I'm a Fan of bogues 53 fans permalink

Oh Please! the current bankruptcy law was and is George Bush's baby. It will not work to try to blame every bad thing on Democrats and not hold the current administration and the Republican Party for anything that has happened in the last eight years. Obama does not want to add a bunch of issues that the Republican will surely fight tooth and nail into this bill. He has and will continue to be a voice for reforming Bush's Bankruptcy law. He is smart enough to know when to pursue it and when not to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 09/26/2008
- rckayla I'm a Fan of rckayla 2 fans permalink
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Wrong "tgood." The average American citizen can declare bankruptcy and not be forced "to find a way to make payments", it's called Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Look up a bankruptcy attorney to educate yourself. Also wrong about Obama. He does care about American people getting something out of this bailout plan... that's why he's opposing Bush's bailout plan. Bush's bailout plan does not take into consideration the average American getting a share (profit) of these investment banking firms after we prop them up to stay in business. Although I agree we should just let those institutions declare bankruptcy (Chapter 13 Bankruptcy), rather than bailing them out with our money, IF we bail them out, we must make sure that they pay us back and that we also get a percentage of their profits down the road. This makes more sense than Bush's current plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 09/26/2008
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I am for Barack but I don't agree with this. Barack is for the bankruptcy proposal and I think that is should be included, why he is backing down, I have no idea? I understand that he wants to include it later, but if he does not win, the American people are going to suffer. This protects the homeowners by allowing judges to renegotiate the terms of mortgage contracts. It would allow judges to lower interest rates and set a fixed rate as opposed to these inflated variable rates. I know that they have to get this proposal out soon but if the House republicans have the nerve to request more deregulations and more tax cuts for companies then Dems should be bold enough to say we are going to stand on the side of the people and do what is best for them. Give homeowners the opportunity to pay their debt vs. foreclosure; if we don't, we are going to be paying for their debt in one way or another. They should include a stimulus package in the bailout and they should do it with or without the Republicans. If Democrats are right on this issue, there is no need for compromise. The Republicans have not respected the Democrats' bipartisan efforts, so in my opinion, you push for a bill that protects the people and you do what is right in spite of public ignorance and Republican spin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 09/26/2008
- DallasMike I'm a Fan of DallasMike 11 fans permalink

Is that really the job of a judge?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 09/26/2008
- Lazslo I'm a Fan of Lazslo 9 fans permalink

yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 09/26/2008
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First sensible comment I've read all day. What makes the pentagon and the defense budget so off limits. Let's declare a moritorium on defense spending for a year, and with that money we can shore up any problem that comes our way, and still have enough weapons to blow up the world ten times over. Again, best idea I've read today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 09/26/2008
- Chris I'm a Fan of Chris 12 fans permalink

Here is this thing. You can currently seek relieft on your home mortgage through a chapter 13 BK filing.

If you are past due the amount in arrears goes into your total BK monthly payment and your BK payment is figured after your montlhy expenses are figured out including your mortgage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 09/26/2008

I can see what you are getting at, but that is not the best case in this situation where time is of the essense. We can get a bankrupcy bill in later where time isn't as important.

Obama has a cooler head on his shoulders, this is a reasonable time to comprimise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 09/26/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

How about trimming the military budget while we're at it? Money ill spent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 09/26/2008
- DallasMike I'm a Fan of DallasMike 11 fans permalink

How about trimming spending on the poor or on education neither of these programs have worked since the Gov't took controll of them. Money ill spent

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 09/26/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 88 fans permalink

HA HA HA HA!

GOOD ONE!

Put a bunch of incompetent people who don't believe in government in and let them "prove" that "government can't work", then, when they fail, they say, "see, there's your proof!"

We aren't that stupid here on HufPo.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 09/26/2008
- jaglon I'm a Fan of jaglon 4 fans permalink

We spend far more on the military and most of it for wasteful projects and outdated military gear that even the military does not want. Our military budget alone is several times more then what the Russians and Chinese spend together on theirs.

The spending for obsolete military gear is to prop up employment in various congressional districts. Senators and representives have companies in their districts who make this useless stuff and they want to keep that money in their districts. This is sort of welfare by employment, a huge waste. Then you have the companies, like Haliburten, that get no-bid contracts and then start running up the bill. Yes, the military budget could use a lot of trimming.

Education is the best way to lift people out of poverty and with more people out of poverty you have more people paying taxes. Education is also the future of this country and without it this country is doomed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 09/26/2008
- colette I'm a Fan of colette 30 fans permalink
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The debate here indicates, once again, the difficulties of trusting any candidate to do anything good after the Bush debacle -- and (if anyone remembers them) some of Clinton's broken promises. Yup, he wasn't perfect!

But I think we have to put some faith in OBama on this one. He's trying to be strategic, and it's undoubtedly true that loading up this bill means either a veto or more resistance from Repubs. What I'd like to hear him say is, "Soon after I'm elected, I'm going to introduce new bankruptcy language that helps middle class and poor out of this financial quicksand."

But it's still a very divided country, a very divided legislature. We need to elect Obama, THEN hold his feet to the fire since we'd be his "base"........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 09/26/2008
- Agnim I'm a Fan of Agnim 6 fans permalink

As in the case of the wasteful Iraq war and the foolish neglect of Afghanistan-Pakistan, Barack Obama is AGAIN demonstrating his superior vision.

STOP THE BLEEDING ON WILD STREET as a priority!

1. If Wild Street continues to tank and companies fail, more EMPLOYMENT will be lost; PENSIONS will be lost, etc, etc.

2. In a few short months, Obama will be President and, Dems will have the numbers in Congress to send the Bankruptcy bill for his signature!

3. It is that easy for a Natural Born Leader, as Obama is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 09/26/2008
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