Obama Says Bailout Bill Should Not Include Bankruptcy Reform

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First Posted: 09-26-08 12:50 AM   |   Updated: 10-26-08 05:12 AM

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The progressive wing of the House Democratic caucus reacted angrily Thursday evening to the news that Barack Obama opposes attempts to add bankruptcy reform to the Wall Street bailout bill.

A large block of Democrats is seeking to add a provision to the $700 billion measure that would empower bankruptcy judges to help homeowners avoid foreclosure. The bankruptcy proposal and a separate effort to place caps on executive pay in firms that benefit from new government subsidies are two key, but controversial, provisions that Democrats have pressed for in recent days. They legislators have two aims: a) to help voters who are taking a beating in the current economic downturn; and b) to address public anger over what many of their constituents see as the transfer of taxpayer dollars to mismanaged companies.

Most congressional Democrats learned of Obama's opposition to the addition of the bankruptcy provisions at a closed meeting Thursday evening, after the White House meeting attended by House and Senate leaders of both parties, President Bush, and Obama and John McCain.

In fact, however, Obama had publicly disclosed his opposition 24 hours earlier, at a Wednesday press briefing in Clearwater, Fla., before he left for Washington.

Although very few media accounts noted his Wednesday stand, he told reporters in Clearwater that "issues like bankruptcy reform, which are very important to Democrats, is probably something that we shouldn't try to do in this piece of legislation." In addition, he said that his own proposed economic stimulus program "is not necessarily something that we should have in this package."

At the session Thursday night with the Democratic Caucus, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, according to sources, told members that Obama is "our messenger," suggesting that he should call the shots. Her stand did not sit well with members seeking to add amendments to the legislation.

In Clearwater, Obama said, "Every American has a stake in solving this crisis and saving our financial system from collapse, because, if we don't act soon, then people's jobs, people's savings, the economic security of millions of Americans will be put at risk. So, the clock is ticking."

Because of the emergency situation, Obama argued that "what we shouldn't do is to try to get everything done in this package. What we should be doing is following the clear principles, that taxpayers are protected, that we have oversight, that taxpayers are going to get their money back, and that the housing crisis is going to be dealt with as well."

The progressive wing of the House Democratic caucus reacted angrily Thursday evening to the news that Barack Obama opposes attempts to add bankruptcy reform to the Wall Street bailout bill. A large b...
The progressive wing of the House Democratic caucus reacted angrily Thursday evening to the news that Barack Obama opposes attempts to add bankruptcy reform to the Wall Street bailout bill. A large b...
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The only thing I agree with, with Obama.

They were deadbeats then, they'll be deadbeats later.

We were shocked when people who didn't pay their bills in the past were given new loans that didn't repay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 09/26/2008

You know, we're in a place now where we're not just talking about "deadbeats". Real, hard-working people have lost their jobs... or are not getting the business they used to get. Income is down, expenses (oil, food, etc.) are up. Housing values are down. Real, normal people (not deadbeats or losers who always knew they couldn't afford their homes) are going into default because the money is just not there. This is far beyond subprime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 09/26/2008
- elbzee I'm a Fan of elbzee 22 fans permalink
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I'm certain McCLAIM/Li­pstickchic­k fans are fawning all over this, but after the past 8 years it's wonderfully refreshing to have reason, consideration, and caution in our potential leader. BRAVO BARACK OBAMA for standing up for doing it right. THIS IS THE CHANGE WE NEED - WISDOM!!

OBAMA/BIDEN 08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 09/26/2008
- Candyx I'm a Fan of Candyx 6 fans permalink

I just watched his press conference again and he stated he wanted something included. Did he change his last press conference?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 09/26/2008
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I think that Obama's position on this matter is reasonable. Keep the bill clean and simple, don't try to throw in a ton of extra legislation, and it will pass more quickly. The extraneous points can be taken care of after the major problem is attended to. If the factions within Congress start trying to add to this then this bill will have to be debated voted on, revised, etc and it won't see the light of day for a month at minimum. Get the major legislation on the books ASAP and add to it later when there is time for debating minutia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 09/26/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

Get the major legislation on the books ASAP and add to it later when there is time for debating minutia.

Right on. If the House Republicans don't like it, then tough for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 09/26/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Interviewed by Brit Hume, off the cuff, no teleprompter, Obama said:

We have to act---DUH!
We shouldn't have gotten into this mess in the first place--DUH!
People's jobs and homes are at risk if we don't deal with the problem--DUH!
There are differences of opinion in Washington--DOUBLE DUH!
We have a chance to solve the problem--DUH DUH DUH!

Now I get it! He's soooooo brilliant!

Obama will no longer vote "present" in the Senate. Instead, he'll vote "not present but willing to come if you ask!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 09/26/2008
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The fact that you're quoting a Fox broadcast shows what you're really about....
You should return to the inane pit that spawned you...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 09/26/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

I was not quoting a Fox News piece. Haven't seen one.
But what does it say that so many believe the compete BS on this and other left wing sites?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 09/26/2008

Nice point. But don't confuse them with the truth. It scares them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 09/26/2008

During photo ops and republican speaking engagements. McCain said:

The fundamentals of our economy are strong. Huh!
Our economy is in crisis. Doh!
I support the bailout plan. Doh!
I have not read the bailout plan yet. Double Doh!
I am suspending my campaign. Huh!
Tuker Bounds et al will continue campaiging on my behalf. Double Doh!
I support deregulation Doh!
I support government regulation. Double Doh!
I offer a new proposal with fewer regulations. Triple Doh!

McCain will continue to fail to show up to put forth any vote he'll continue his not present and not coming even if you ask voting pattern.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 09/26/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Well, even assuming your statements are correct, your point would then be that both candidates are complete screwups?

1) The FUNDAMENTALS usually considered, inflation, unemployment, etc., are generally sound.
2) There is ONE SINGLE ECONOMIC PROBLEM produced by the Democratic REGULATIONS from 1977 onward, resulting in a lack of liquidity in the financial markets.
3) There is no final, agreed-upon plan or whether it indeed requires a bailout.
4) Other than some campaign ads already paid for and unable to be pulled, McCain has canceled his campaign.
5) One should deregulate--it was the regulation--the ORDERING OF BUSINESSES TO GIVE SHAKY LOANS, ORDERED BY CONGRESS--that produced the problem. Canceling those regulations would solve the future problems.
6) Cancel Sarbanes-Oxley.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 09/26/2008

He never voted "present" in the US Senate-DUH
It was in the Illinois Senate where is was a permissible vote-DUH

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 09/26/2008
- grata2ude I'm a Fan of grata2ude 61 fans permalink

And in the Illinois senate a present vote means a disagreement with the proposed bill. Uneducated voters are 85% responsible for this mess. Maybe they should put a provision in that anyone who voted for Bush and the Republicans should shoulder 85% of the bailout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 09/26/2008

This comes down to a matter of trust. How in the hell could ANYONE possibly trust ANYTHING the Republicans say? They got us into this mess and now they have the unmitigated gall to criticize the ideas of Barack Obama? With Republicans, we have gotten knee-jerk, ignorant, arrogant greed posing as leadership. Barack Obama is extremely smart, cool-headed, and trustworthy. When I watch him being interviewed, I can see the wheels turning in his mind. I can tell he truly wants what is right for the American people. When I watch McCain and Bush, I see hot-headed, arrogant certitude of "either you're with us or agin us" cowboy governance. It is time for this to end. Enough! Bottom line: I trust Barack Obama. I do not trust John McCain, George Bush, or any of the Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 09/26/2008

Remind me again who said “These two entities – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” And dated a MALE executive at Fannie Mae

Remind me again who has been in charge of BOTH houses of Congress the last 2 years?

Remind me again who has introduced no new legislation to regulate CAPITALISM?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 09/26/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

Remind me again who has introduced no new legislation to regulate CAPITALISM?

The filibustering Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 09/26/2008
- TrevorAlan I'm a Fan of TrevorAlan 4 fans permalink

Well,

I sort of agree this situation requires fast action without a lot of time for every fix to the economy needed. That's one reason to oppose the full $700 billion with no oversight or ability to stop its use.

But we DO need to reconsider the last bankruptcy law and change things BACK to helping the average borrower, because after all giving the large institutions anythign they wanted worked out so well.

So if we don't fix it now Barry, and I say this as a near fanatical supporter, do we have your word that a thorough fix of bankruptcy is something you will make a major effort on in your first term?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 09/26/2008
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The bankruptcy package should be visited with thought and care. To try and include it here and now is foolish.

In fact, doing anything thing more than spending a fraction of Bush's requested $700 billion and propping up our economy until a real and reasoned plan can be created, is a foolish waste of money.

This rescue action, by it's nature, needs to be quick and to the point. Hopefully, it can stabilize the markets until a more comprehensive plan and budget can be created by our new president.

Doing much of anything with Bush still as prez is counterproductive and stupid. As we've seen, HE cares nothing for this country or its people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 09/26/2008

You have just tagged yourself as a tro// by calling him "Barry"
However, he did say bankruptcy reform should be taken care of in a separate bill. Did you read or just type?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 09/26/2008
- grata2ude I'm a Fan of grata2ude 61 fans permalink

Don't even assume that a republican talking head would ever stick to facts. They have little catch phrases they spew no matter what issue is being discussed. And they can't read. Otherwise they would have seen this crisis coming a long time ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 09/26/2008

Smartest thing Obama ever said on the economy.

People wonder why credit rates are so high . . . it is because government allows people to get out from under debt. If you allow the same thing for mortgages . . . the rates would be similar to credit cards.

Instead of 6% on a mortgage you would have 15-20%

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 09/26/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 88 fans permalink

HA HA HA!

Nope.

"I was there" when usery laws were dropped. Credit cards were recognized as the danger they are and all states had strong regulation and kept to single-digit interest rates - prime plus some number typically from 2 to 5. Then the Rs in one state convinced the regulators and lawmakers in that state that their state could make a lot of money if they dropped their usery laws - raking it in from adjacent states. (I think it was Iowa, but don't recall for certain - it was in the mid-west, though.)

Once that happened, the other states kept them out, so the banks fought it all the way to the supreme court and won a case on the grounds of restraint of trade whereupon ALL states had to essentially not regulate the interest rates. It was a profound coup in the banking world; the elimination of usery law in the entire USA. THAT was when credit card interest rates SOARED all across the board. And, at the time when all this began - before the coup had succeeded - the banks were raking in record profits. The interest rates had _nothing_ to do with credit-worthiness - NOTHING.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 09/26/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 88 fans permalink

I wrote this in response to someone's panic-post and am reposting so perhaps it is less lost in the noise of replies...

It's not at all clear that this "crisis" is anything of the kind.

It's not clear action is needed today - soon, perhaps, but January will likely do just fine.

The difference between a bailout today and a remedy in January is about 70 days or thereabouts. And, a remedy in 70 days or so will be FAR more thought out and will have a D congress and D president to fix things properly - instead of this R-dominated approach.

I don't subscribe to the theory that the whole world collapses in 70 days while we think our problems through.

If someone puts a gun to my head, I'm going to _think_ through whatever my next move may be - it might be the last thought I make. This "crisis" is being put in exactly these terms; our financial life is being held hostage - give us your money - all your money, or you're going down the tubes!

Yeah. Sure.

When someone comes up with a coherent, thought-through scenario in which it's clearly the disaster they claim, I'll certainly listen. I'll even listen to the non-coherent scenarios. But, to use a different metaphor; I won't be moved to action - and certainly won't jump from the ledge - unless I know the building is on fire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 09/26/2008
- drkazmd65 I'm a Fan of drkazmd65 54 fans permalink
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"Because of the emergency situation, Obama argued that "what we shouldn't do is to try to get everything done in this package. What we should be doing is following the clear principles, that taxpayers are protected, that we have oversight, that taxpayers are going to get their money back, and that the housing crisis is going to be dealt with as well."

Once again,... I think this sounds like the thinking of a sound, reasonable, and strategic mind.

We would be able to get a better piece of legislation passed to deal with individual bankruptcy laws IF there were a Democrat majority, a Democrat President, and time to think it all out.

Otherwise we cram a hastily designed, likely inefficient, incomplete bill through and have to go and fix it later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 09/26/2008
- All in All I'm a Fan of All in All 63 fans permalink

Well I hope that all Americans now see even tough Sen.Obama made that statement the Republicans still rejected the bill anyway.

So now it's time for the Democrats & Sen.Obama too go for the Gusto (The whole Deal) "Put all that they want into the Bailout Legislation now".

They tried it the nice way already, and still got rejected.

Now it's time to put the Republicans more on the defensive, by telling them take it or leave it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 09/26/2008

Still waiting for Obama to announce that "There's a time for slaughtering the innocent unborn, just not in a time of crisis like we're in now..."

I think that's the only issue he hasn't jettisoned yet during this campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 09/26/2008

Obviously you meant the other candidate. The economy is strong/it's in crisis, i support deregulation/no i actually support heavy regulation, i fully support the troops/I vote no for all vet bills etc, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 09/26/2008
- Nofoolhere I'm a Fan of Nofoolhere 12 fans permalink
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OK MourningDude. You've done your job and embarrassed yourself in the process. Now you can pick up your check from Karl Rove.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 09/26/2008
- grata2ude I'm a Fan of grata2ude 61 fans permalink

Ask youself this......­.Bush's lie has killed over 4000 lives. Is the life of a embryo, whose life cannot possibly be sustained outside the mother's womb, more precious than the sons and daughters who died because of a lie?

If you are prolife...­...you would hold Bush accountable for every one of these senseless deaths also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 09/26/2008
- DavidF07 I'm a Fan of DavidF07 7 fans permalink

You've GOT to be kidding!

When given the choice between voting for a Republican who acts like a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, people will choose the Republican­/Republica­n every time.

Now is not the time to wimp out. Now is the time to demonstrate leadership.

Stand up, Obama, to protect the people who stand to lose everything and who can be a part of the economic recovery. Do not give all the benefits to the bankers/gamblers who helped us into this mess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 09/26/2008

My guess is you have no clue what the effects of bankruptcy reform are . . . .

Look at your mortgage rate and credit card rates . . . should tell you all you need.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 09/26/2008

I got to say that I kind of agree with this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 09/26/2008

If every one of us does not vote; if every one of us does not do something practical to help elect
Barack Obama (get out the vote, talk to undecideds etc.) then we'll have no one to blame but ourselves.

Put this anger to work on Barack's behalf! Do something! I volunteered to canvass neighborhoods this weekend. Go to barackobama.com and sign up, donate, whatever--pitch in any way you can.

LET'S GET IT DONE and put some people with brains and ideas and real character in the white house!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 09/26/2008
- BlueAsh I'm a Fan of BlueAsh 5 fans permalink

I know, Mr. Edsall,

Hit Obama where it hurts--I know your game. Weren't you rooting for Clinton?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 09/26/2008
- cybersense I'm a Fan of cybersense 8 fans permalink

It is not just about the salaries is it? No, bankruptcy should not be something to do right now.

The "free trade" as we know it now is not working. No accountability and a lot of greed really.
Deregulate what? The government entities we have in place that are suppose to watch this sort of thing doesn't work because it is all politics to fund that part of government. Of course they are going to do "certain" things if they want to keep their funds to operate. But, then why have them if they cannot do their jobs because of it. Old business of not being held accountable from the top.


NO, we should not wait until the next person is in office. We should do something now, and if I have to come down their with my bat in hand to do it myself, I will darn it! (grin)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 09/26/2008
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