Obama Says Bailout Bill Should Not Include Bankruptcy Reform

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First Posted: 09-26-08 12:50 AM   |   Updated: 10-26-08 05:12 AM

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The progressive wing of the House Democratic caucus reacted angrily Thursday evening to the news that Barack Obama opposes attempts to add bankruptcy reform to the Wall Street bailout bill.

A large block of Democrats is seeking to add a provision to the $700 billion measure that would empower bankruptcy judges to help homeowners avoid foreclosure. The bankruptcy proposal and a separate effort to place caps on executive pay in firms that benefit from new government subsidies are two key, but controversial, provisions that Democrats have pressed for in recent days. They legislators have two aims: a) to help voters who are taking a beating in the current economic downturn; and b) to address public anger over what many of their constituents see as the transfer of taxpayer dollars to mismanaged companies.

Most congressional Democrats learned of Obama's opposition to the addition of the bankruptcy provisions at a closed meeting Thursday evening, after the White House meeting attended by House and Senate leaders of both parties, President Bush, and Obama and John McCain.

In fact, however, Obama had publicly disclosed his opposition 24 hours earlier, at a Wednesday press briefing in Clearwater, Fla., before he left for Washington.

Although very few media accounts noted his Wednesday stand, he told reporters in Clearwater that "issues like bankruptcy reform, which are very important to Democrats, is probably something that we shouldn't try to do in this piece of legislation." In addition, he said that his own proposed economic stimulus program "is not necessarily something that we should have in this package."

At the session Thursday night with the Democratic Caucus, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, according to sources, told members that Obama is "our messenger," suggesting that he should call the shots. Her stand did not sit well with members seeking to add amendments to the legislation.

In Clearwater, Obama said, "Every American has a stake in solving this crisis and saving our financial system from collapse, because, if we don't act soon, then people's jobs, people's savings, the economic security of millions of Americans will be put at risk. So, the clock is ticking."

Because of the emergency situation, Obama argued that "what we shouldn't do is to try to get everything done in this package. What we should be doing is following the clear principles, that taxpayers are protected, that we have oversight, that taxpayers are going to get their money back, and that the housing crisis is going to be dealt with as well."

The progressive wing of the House Democratic caucus reacted angrily Thursday evening to the news that Barack Obama opposes attempts to add bankruptcy reform to the Wall Street bailout bill. A large b...
The progressive wing of the House Democratic caucus reacted angrily Thursday evening to the news that Barack Obama opposes attempts to add bankruptcy reform to the Wall Street bailout bill. A large b...
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- dgscol I'm a Fan of dgscol 4 fans permalink
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The cost of housing must decrease, or the outsourcing of American jobs must stop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 09/26/2008

It's really too bad that Obama, the de facto leader of the Dem party, was so busy "multitasking" that he never got around to telling his own party that this was a potential deal killer, and should not be included.

You see, there's a difference between SAYING the President has to multitask, and actually DOING it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 09/26/2008
- pgurlatl I'm a Fan of pgurlatl 13 fans permalink
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He's been multi-tasking since the beginning talking to senate and house leaders all week- WITHOUT THE PRESS knowing because that is truly caring about your country first.

Not stealing ideas and grandstanding and saying anything to get attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 09/26/2008

That's funny, because yesterday when Obama announced his opposition to this provision, and Nancy Pelosi said they should yield to Obama, it sure didn't sit too well with Dodd or Barney Frank.

Apparently they never got the memo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 09/26/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 236 fans permalink

And the first time McCain engaged in the process was yesterday:

After it was all but a done deal
And while not even reading the bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 09/26/2008
- dphilip I'm a Fan of dphilip 41 fans permalink

McCain keeps taking Obama to school on certain issues and it's killing Obama.

The Obama doctrine; ' "Hey call me if anything important or big comes up now"

"Obama 08, He's always near a phone"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 09/26/2008

These McMachiavellian covert tactics are the antithesis of what America needs, while families live out the horrors of what they have suffered through for the last 8 years: the secrecy, the sneaky attack strategies that attack the worker and favor special interests, the continuing of divisive politics, the twisted contortions of language that mask all these bizarre actions as being in the best interests of the American people.

Sen. Obama continues to demonstrate straightforward common sense, stability, composure, and a willingness to work with republicans and democrats, while McCain models some of the most bizarre dysfunctional conduct ever seen in a presidential candidate.

Comprehensive banking reform is gravely needed, but is not something to be done in some slapshot roughshod shabby fashion - in 3 days, no less.

Address the long term crises with the new administration, where the time, energy, resources and focus that this topic deserves, can be focused on creating regulations that end this corruption, that removes the boulders of burden put upon the American people, while the deregulators GAMED the SYSTEM, at the EXPENSE of the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

It is absolutely a SHAM and the epitome of unconscionable behavior, to suggest that this was the result of "mistakes". We've been through this before - with ENRON, and with none other than JOHN McCAIN, with his KEATING 5 SCANDEL.

Look into the Silver State banking failure, and begin asking questions about why people who had life-long savaings, lost thousands of dollars...and WHY.

http://www.silverstatebank.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 09/26/2008

Bush and Paulson spent 3 months putting their plan together. Dems didn't agree with the dearth of earmarks, and rejected it out of hand. So now they're trying to slap this jalopy of their together in a rush, and Obama never bothered to actually lead the party he's the de facto head of now, to keep them from putting all these extra poison pill extras in it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 09/26/2008
- miocid31 I'm a Fan of miocid31 5 fans permalink
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spent three months on how to continue to steal from the american tax payers....if the republicans would've listend to Obama a YEAR ago, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess..right Morning dude? any relation to first dude?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 09/26/2008
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and McCain only read it yesterday after he made his decent into washington wielding his hammer of the maverick to beat this legislation into place. To bad that when he got there he sat on his thumbs and did nothing, contrary to the images he was presenting.

Got news for ya, Obama didn't have to come to town because HE CAN COMMUNICATE with his people and he's been in touch with all those involved since this started. McCain's just new digging his head out of the sand to try to put "country first" and instead turned it into nothing more than political grandstanding. He's cheapened himself and his campaign by doing so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 09/26/2008
- suvbaby I'm a Fan of suvbaby 8 fans permalink

Breaking News. There are only 30 Repubs supporting McCains version of bailout. 199 favoring the original plan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 09/26/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 236 fans permalink

That's natural. McCain's idea is to make the situation WORSE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 09/26/2008

The chaotic conduct of John McCain continues to be cause for concern.
What kind of posture is demonstrated by a US senator, who shows up at what is billed as being the country's greatest economic crises - and then proceeds to contribute nothing?

That is not leadership. It's stonewalling, it's running the clock, it's an attempt to keep Sen. Obama out of Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, while McCain leaves millions of Americans in fear and panic over their financial futures, while those making an honest attempt to solve and work the problem, struggle without any means of finding resolution, while McCain throws boulder after boulder at any attempt to resolve this crises. The conduct he displays is so perverse and self serving, it is a disgrace.

McCain eagerly promotes grandiose postures of himself with notions of "saving" the cratered economy, while Americans face grave hardships across the country - loss of jobs, losses in their 401k, loss of life long savings, businesses failing, and in the midst of this crises, McCain's response is to promote drama, anxiety, covert attack plans that are masked as “proposals for solutions”, ( where McCain throws out last minute demands, through obscure wording, at meetings that have been going on for days), while he sits at those meetings refusing to provide clarity or to communicate where he stands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 09/26/2008
- suvbaby I'm a Fan of suvbaby 8 fans permalink

You are spot on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 09/26/2008
- wedgie I'm a Fan of wedgie 19 fans permalink
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Obama is right. Bankruptcy reform should not be attempted in this bill. Why? Because the Republican Party is ALREADY refusing to accept the bill in it's current form(s). Start adding other riders and agendas and it's a recipe for all out political warfare (which thanks to John Mccain's bigfooting into Washington, may already be the case.)

WHAT YOU ARE SEEING is what REAL BI-PARTISAN thinking looks like. What is possible. What is not. How to leverage a necessary outcome. It's this or more grid-lock people.

UNLESS of course we vote in more Democrats and put Obama in the White House.

AND FOR THE RECORD: Obama wants bankruptcy reform. He has already said so. JUST NOT IN THIS BILL.

OBAMA 08

The man is very very smart.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 09/26/2008

He also wanted single payer universal health insurance. Just not now.

And he wanted public campaign financingl. Just not in this election.

And he wanted to repeal GWB's tax cuts on the rich. But not during this sagging economy.

And he wanted to restore the Constitution. Just not during the war on terror.

If I had a nickel for every time Obama said he supported something in principle, but refused to support implementation of it, I'd be able to sew up sweetheart deals like his adviser Warren Buffet did this week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 09/26/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 236 fans permalink

We already said it is good that Bush ignored the problem, even knowing it was coming for 3 months. Sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 09/26/2008
- Joeblue I'm a Fan of Joeblue 6 fans permalink

All BS made up by you. Show us some links.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 09/26/2008

While I'm voting for Obama, he is not the President yet. He's not on the banking committee(s). He has a vote as a Senator, just like McCain has. If the economic crisis will affect every American, then the money committees should meet and make a decision as to the solution. I don't trust Paulson or W. If the crisis only affects fat cats on Wall Street and those who made poor business decisions, then they need to deal with it on their own without our tax dollars. At this point there is so much information, disinformation, posturing, and gamesmanship, any solution seems to have gotten lost in the morass. I prefer a slow, more studied approach. Senator Shelby said yesterday that 20 economists wrote him and said, "Do not do the bail out." The bottom line for the average American is "whom do you trust?" I'm not sure I can trust anyone in government any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 09/26/2008

Personally, I want the Dems to load this compromise with everything that George Bush doesn't want. If the Dems are expected to pull the Republicans gonads out of the fire, then it's time for Bush to yield. Let's include universal health care, a rescission of the bankruptcy "reforms" passed a few years ago (that will solve a lot of those pesky credit card bad debts). Let's test the pressure that Bush feels here. If they keep saying yes to everything, then we'll really know how serious this all is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 09/26/2008

I completely agree, senseandnosense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 09/26/2008
- Erdgeist I'm a Fan of Erdgeist 83 fans permalink
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This bailout plan is predicated on the assumption that there is a massive credit problem in the U.S. Not so. Credit still flows but not as fast as it was with Greenspan's reckless lowering of the interest rates which increased velocity substantially (the bubble).

The bailout only serves Wall Street's liquidity/credit problem and specifically those institutions who tried to get rich off the subprime mortgages, investing in exotic instruments.

The bailout was all going well for Bush and Cheney until the Democrats wanted some principles that insured the taxpayers would stand to profit from this mess--not Wall Street. This is when an agreement on the principles broke down.

In a nutshell, a number of Republicans wanted Wall Street to profit. Some Republicans even wanted another tax cut for the rich, and the FDIC cover the mess, the way it was under Reagan just before the Savings & Loan debacle of the 80s and 90s.

This crisis, for an economic pov, is greatly exaggerated and alarmist. Democrats, especially, should chill out and consider that they have been gamed by Bush. Right now, what we need are some hearings with respected academic economists and professors of finance like Richard Sheehan of Notre Dame. I know what their observations will be. Don't take trash for cash; get back to a highly regulated mixed economy; and you don't need 700 billion dollars - a figure Paulson pulled out of his arse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 09/26/2008
- Mom4Choice I'm a Fan of Mom4Choice 5 fans permalink

This bailout alone will not solve all our problems, there are too many other issues that have to be dealt with. There is no way to get everything we need into this one bill and have any hopes of it passing. Obama is right. Let's work on getting a reasonable bailout with proper oversight passed to get us through the short term, then work on getting the bankruptcy laws changed and our other long term goals realized.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 09/26/2008
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I don't think throwing money at this problem is going to make it go away. I'm finding myself agreeing with the republicans and I think the free market bull$hit needs to ride out to it's logical conclusion. Are many people going to get hurt myself included? Yup. But if we throw $700 billion at it (and that's just the start) the coming depression will happen anyway, just further down the road. Wake up people, the economic domination of the US is over, they have cashed us out and this is the final cash out. These basta rds have fixed it, planned this for months, a little last hurrah before they ride off into the sunset with their billions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 09/26/2008
- wedgie I'm a Fan of wedgie 19 fans permalink
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Yep.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 09/26/2008
- Joeblue I'm a Fan of Joeblue 6 fans permalink

You are correct sir. Hoover did the same thing from what I understand in 1931, the depression happened anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 09/26/2008
- Voltage I'm a Fan of Voltage 10 fans permalink
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Booshe's definition of bipartisanship: Do as we say. Don't question us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 09/26/2008
- SpoxLogic I'm a Fan of SpoxLogic 21 fans permalink

What is wrong with Progressive Democrats? They are so hungry to get their agenda that they'd MESS EVERYTHING UP and get nothing.

Patience is a virtue.
Take one step at a time.

I guess I could go on with the platitudes, but I think you know what I mean.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 09/26/2008
- NeoStar9 I'm a Fan of NeoStar9 15 fans permalink

They are selfish. They really are no different then the far-right Republicans. They want what they want and they want it now and others be damned. This is why there are really three major parties in the US. The far right, far left and the moderates on both sides which could be seen as one. If there was ever to be a breakup of the two parities it would result in that I think. The problem is that some people seem to be under the false impression that Obama is on the far left. He never has been. He's more moderate then anything when you look at how he explains himself and the things he does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 09/26/2008
- rkrenke I'm a Fan of rkrenke 24 fans permalink

The bankruptcy legislation passed a couple of years ago, which many Dems supported, was just another handout to corporations. Since when do we put corporations before people in this country - the Progressive Dems are absolutely right to include this in any "bailout" for Wall Street - if they get relief, so should Main Street.

This bailout is a scam of historic proportions and the Dems would be wise to address Main Street's issues and then hit the campaign trail. If anything should be put on hold, it's relief for Wall Street. Obama needs to stand up and stop caving to the Bush administration - he doesn't appear presidential, but weak and Pelosi-like - this is why Middle Class and blue-collar workers don't support him.

It's fine to support your candidate, but has anyone else noticed that it's always the Progressive issues that are put on hold? The question that Obama should be asking is, "why don't Republicans support relief for homeowners?" Obama's going to find himself in big trouble if, over the next few weeks, McCain, Rove, and company are the ones asking, "why did Obama support Wall Street over Main Street?"

Obama's argument for not supporting bankruptcy reform is weak, short sighted, and should have never entered the public dialogue. Wall Street will never vote for Obama and he'll lose Middle Class and blue-collar voters if it appears that he put corporate interests before those of the working class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 09/26/2008
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Since when do we put corporations before people in this country


Since Reagan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 09/26/2008
- drkazmd65 I'm a Fan of drkazmd65 57 fans permalink
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Well,... it started before Reagan,... but it did get perfected during his watch.

Dwight Eisenhower warned us about this sort of crapola back in the late 1950s and at his farewell speach in 1961.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 09/26/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

The Manchester Guardian already exposed the instability of both Lehman Brothers and AIG back in May of this year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 09/26/2008
- HHarvey I'm a Fan of HHarvey 32 fans permalink
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Obama's argument for not supporting bankruptcy reform is weak because he hasn't explained the reasons why he is against it. I would like to hear from him first why he feels it should not be included. I think what he is trying to get across is that he doesn't want the dems in congress adding extras into this package, but that rather he would like to define it so that it protects taxpayers. Don't think the dems wouldn't try to add extras. I would like to hear what these republicans plan is and why they think it will work. They would like to create an insurance rescue plan and have wall street pay for it, not us. Sounds good right? Well, Paulson did explore that area and didn't think it would work. I would like to hear more about these things and I don't think we are getting the big picture here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 09/26/2008

Well to me I know exactly where Obama stands on our bankruptcy laws because he was one of those Dems who voted against that Bankruptcy Bill. This bailout proposal is suppose to be a bipartisan clean bill and if Obama throws in a Bankruptcy provision, then it definitely won't pass. Republicans will then start blaming Obama for being partisan when we're in a financial crisis! Then he'll be accused of playing political games like McCain is doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 09/26/2008
- suvbaby I'm a Fan of suvbaby 8 fans permalink

Obama does not want bancruptcy involved in this bill. That's a McCain ply.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 09/26/2008
- kmac23va I'm a Fan of kmac23va 11 fans permalink

I think this bankruptcy provision is important...I've heard Sen. Durbin talk about it. But I think scuttling this deal based on this would be a bad idea. Take it up in the 111th Congress when the Dems can really go to work with a Dem president. The Dems in Congress need to chill, if Obama had said he's against it period that'd be different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 09/26/2008
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