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First Posted: 09-29-08 02:16 PM   |   Updated: 10-30-08 05:12 AM

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In an extraordinary gamble on the future of the global economy, the House of Representatives voted down the $700 billion Wall Street bill 205-228, as Republicans defied their president, their presidential nominee and the congressional leadership to vote nearly two to one against the measure described as crucial to the prevention of an economic collapse.

As the vote progressed, the Dow steadily dropped, reaching a 700-point decline at its mid-day nadir. Television coverage of the vote was frantic, with a split-screen showing a graphic of plunging stocks paired with a chart showing the steadily growing number of 'no' votes. All members of the House, equipped with Blackberries, were fully aware of the market trends driven by their balloting.

Almost every Representative was present during the roll call. Democratic leaders huddled with members, desperately trying to persuade defectors to change their votes. Republican leaders, in contrast, appeared resigned to the overwhelming opposition in their caucus.

As the vote progressed, and as the possibility of rejection became probable and then certain, there was a hush on the floor as the normally boisterous members realized what the outcome would be. Minutes passed, with the 15 minutes allotted to the roll call technically over, but with members given extra time to change their votes. Only one did so, and he shifted from yea to nay. No one smiled on the winning or losing side. Most looked dazed or stunned.

While the economic consequences of the vote will be determined during the coming weeks, the outcome this afternoon was a major setback to John McCain, who had backed the proposal and portrayed himself as a party leader who would help win approval for the bailout.

Chief McCain strategist Steve Schmidt said yesterday on Meet the Press, "What Senator McCain was able to do was to help bring all of the parties to the table, including the House Republicans, whose votes were needed to pass this." And this morning, McCain backer Mitt Romney told NBC that "this bill would not have been agreed to had it not been for John McCain....this is a bipartisan accomplishment, a bipartisan success. And if people want to get something done in Washington, they just watch John McCain."

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Instead, members of McCain's own party voted 133 to 65 against the measure. Democrats, on the other hand, voted 140 to 95 for the bill.

In an attempt to shift blame for the defeat, House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio and Republican Whip Roy Blunt of Missouri charged that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi provoked the 'no' votes by angering Republican members with an excessively partisan floor speech. "We could have gotten there today had it not been for the partisan speech that the speaker gave on the floor of the House," Boehner said.

House Financial Services Committee chair Barney Frank of Massachusetts, a key architect of the bill, countered that even if true, the claim amounted to an extraordinary level of personal and parochial motivation: "Because somebody hurt their feelings, they decided to punish the country."

In her speech, Pelosi did place some of the blame for the current crisis on Bush: "Today, we will act to avert this crisis, but informed by our experience of the past eight years with the failed economic leadership that has left us left incapable of meeting the challenges of the future. We choose a different path. In the new year, with a new Congress and a new president, we will break free with a failed past and take America in a New Direction to a better future."

Shortly after Boehner spoke to reporters, the McCain camp issued a statement by economic adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin similarly seeking to shift the blame to Democrats:

"From the minute John McCain suspended his campaign and arrived in Washington to address this crisis, he was attacked by the Democratic leadership: Senators Obama and Reid, Speaker Pelosi and others. Their partisan attacks were an effort to gain political advantage during a national economic crisis. By doing so, they put at risk the homes, livelihoods and savings of millions of American families. Barack Obama failed to lead, phoned it in, attacked John McCain, and refused to even say if he supported the final bill. Just before the vote, when the outcome was still in doubt, Speaker Pelosi gave a strongly worded partisan speech and poisoned the outcome. This bill failed because Barack Obama and the Democrats put politics ahead of country."

Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton countered:

"This is a moment of national crisis, and today's inaction in Congress as well as the angry and hyper-partisan statement released by the McCain campaign are exactly why the American people are disgusted with Washington. Now is the time for Democrats and Republicans to join together and act in a way that prevents an economic catastrophe. Every American should be outraged that an era of greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street and Washington has led us to this point, but now that we are here, the stability of our entire economy depends on us taking immediate action to ease this crisis."

There very likely will be an attempt to try to pass the bill again, although it is not clear how soon that would take place. Republican Congressman Joe Barton of Texas asked if he could move for reconsideration and if he did, how soon would it be taken up. He was told by House parliamentarians that it would be taken up immediately -- too soon for supporters to regroup -- so he put off his motion.

A House aide said no additional votes would be held in the House until after the Senate takes up the package, scheduled for Wednesday.

"What happened today cannot stand," Pelosi said after the vote. "We must move forward, and I hope that the markets will take that message."

Before the vote, President Bush issued a statement that proved to be futile.

"A vote for this bill is a vote to prevent economic damage to you and your community," Bush said, "This is a bold bill that will keep the crisis in our financial system from spreading through our economy."

Addressing the full House during the debate, Pelosi said, "I know that we will live up to our side of the bargain, I hope the Republicans will, too."

Boehner and Blunt of Missouri spoke strongly in favor of the legislation.

Leaders of the conservative opposition to the bill claimed vindication. "The American people rejected this bailout and now Congress did likewise," said Indiana Republican Rep. Mike Pence. During the debate, Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas contended that enactment of the proposal would put the country on "the slippery slope to socialism."

"The Republicans killed this," said Frank.

White House spokesman Tony Fratto declared, "Obviously we are very disappointed in the outcome... There is no question the country is facing a difficult crisis that needs to be addressed."

In an extraordinary gamble on the future of the global economy, the House of Representatives voted down the $700 billion Wall Street bill 205-228, as Republicans defied their president, their presiden...
In an extraordinary gamble on the future of the global economy, the House of Representatives voted down the $700 billion Wall Street bill 205-228, as Republicans defied their president, their presiden...
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- RobinVZB I'm a Fan of RobinVZB 2 fans permalink

LEADERLESS is right! Why hasn't anybody come out with an alternative to the Paulson plan?Congress just made a few modifications to it. Congress does not need to modify the Paulson plan anymore--it needs to scrap it. Then Congress needs to consult with a variety of economists and try to come up with a better plan. The Paulson plan will probably work out about as well as everything else the Bush administration produces. Why don't our leaders come up with something better?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 09/29/2008

Yes! Finally someone talking sense! How can you make a good decision if you have no next best alternative? And how can you expect to pass something when you ignore the voices of the very people whose votes you need to pass the bill? Speaker Pelosi bears the blame. She needs to go NOW! That's change we can believe in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 09/29/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 75 fans permalink
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You know, I've been keeping up with this story and most people were screaming NO to the bailout. What happened other than the repubs killed it. Shoot, we all know they didn't do it for love of the American citizens.
This bill should have been killed. As has been said, you don't throw good money after bad.

If congress has time to take a break, maybe cool heads will prevail and they can do something to help the people not the fat cats like themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 09/29/2008

Yes, they should say to Robert Rubin, "You contributed to this mess -- now you can FIX IT!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 09/29/2008
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He's been retired from government for FIFTEEN YEARS!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 09/29/2008
- doctorkeys I'm a Fan of doctorkeys 7 fans permalink
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With leaders like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, I'd rather be leaderless. They spend a week negotiating and we get this! There are no true concessions in the bill. It's exactly what Bush, Paulson, Bernanke, Warren Buffet, and their other billionaire friends wanted, but with a few clever twisted phrases to give the impression they did something for us the People. They should have stayed home and gotten some sleep!

There is no new system for oversight, though oversight is to be done by finance committee chairmen (isn't that what they're supposed to do anyway. Curbs on "golden parachutes" are applicable only to firms who are on the dole for over $300 million, and then subject to the discretion of (guess who) the Secretary of Treasury. The amount of stake that the government would take in a company so that the taxpayer would be paid back is subject to the discretion of (guess who) the Secretary of Treasury.

Then there's the cleverly composed installment plan. Why not have separate votes for each installment? Congress would not vote to APPROVE the other installments, but would have to have a super-majority to DISAPPROVE the other installments. This is legislative malpractice! These so-called leaders should be voted out of office. San Franciscans are fffurious with Pelosi. Help us dump Bush's partner in constitutional crime!

http://www.cindyforcongress.org/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 09/29/2008
- julescator I'm a Fan of julescator 19 fans permalink

Hi folks - let me take a stab at this. I work for one of the largest Wall St. Firms (I don't run it but I make a lot of money from hard work)

I think the US Congress and The media did all Americans a dis-service by calling this a Wall Street Bailout. None of us would vote for that. However, this is more about the Banks than about Wall Street. Here is what will happen. More and more banks will fail. Currently they are not lending money to us or to each other. What's more important is the when the market fell 777.68 points today, that touched all of you if you have a 401K or money market accounts. It will hit you harder than the Wall Street folks. We lost $1 trillion dollars today in the market. Take a look at your 401K tomorrow morning.

Banks are not lending your employers money. Before long You or your family members or friends will lose your jobs. You states will lose money as they have to pay for more unemployment payments. the service industry will suffer since less and less people will go to out to eat, pay for lawn care, take clothes to dry cleaners, etc. Also, the largest Chevy dearlership in the nation was forced out of business because it couldn't get money from the Bank. More will follow, Many will lose jobs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 09/29/2008
- Farmington I'm a Fan of Farmington 3 fans permalink

Well...they DID sell Chevys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 09/29/2008
- RobinVZB I'm a Fan of RobinVZB 2 fans permalink

I agree with you that something needs to be done, but that does not mean we have to accept the first plan that comes along. We need some other people to come up with alternatives to the Paulson plan so we can see what our options are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 09/29/2008
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 646 fans permalink
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BINGO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 09/29/2008
- doctorkeys I'm a Fan of doctorkeys 7 fans permalink
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How about some open public congressional hearings instead of a backroom late-night pow-wow of billionaires?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 09/29/2008
- marbou888 I'm a Fan of marbou888 3 fans permalink

The people would be willing to lend money but a $700 billion gift ??? That's asking a lot. And how long would this huge sum of money last? How do we know that the banks will not come back in 3 months to ask for another $1 trillion?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 09/29/2008
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Republicans have hitched their Wagons to Wall Street, essentially dis-regarding Main Street's Fortunes.

Now that they have to bail out the credit market (that affects everyone) Main street does not believe them when they try to explain how important short term credit is to the entire economy.

This is what happens when you ignore the little guy for SO LONG!

Are you surprised they think that you and your Wall Street Billionaire Buddies are full of shi*t?

Don't be, you have no-one to blame but yourselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 09/29/2008
- L0ve PEace I'm a Fan of L0ve PEace 13 fans permalink
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Main Street Madness
1) I don't live on credit
2) I don't have any stock left - I retired in 2001 and lost most of it with tech bubble burst + 9/11
3) I don't have any 401K left
4) I cook my beans at home
5) I wash my clothes myself and hang them on the line to dry when it's not raining
6) I mow my own lawn
7) I don't by Chevy's

Welcome to the Main Street Club

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 09/29/2008
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Ignorant Americans do not want ANY bailout, PERIOD.

Say goodbye to ANY savings you have and your house.

At least India and China will soon be outsourcing jobs to third world America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 09/29/2008
- RobinVZB I'm a Fan of RobinVZB 2 fans permalink

I think you are wrong. It is not that we don't want to do anything about the economy. We just want to know that what we do is the best we could do. We don't want to just blindly accept the first plan that comes along. We need to know what other options we have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 09/29/2008
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You are going to turn America into a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY as you watch the dollar FREE-FALL.

At least India and China will be out-sourcing jobs back here, but we will not be able to afford the things we build.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 09/29/2008
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 646 fans permalink
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let's' try this again:

any bill to "bail out" anybody needs to be structured to help the average citizen FIRST (keep them in their homes, back up their bank deposits, and STRI CT con trols on pre dat ory lenders and blo0d =suc--king credit card companies).

keeping the rich, rich has done nothing but sta gnate our economy and bring everything to a grin/ding ha lt. it has nearly brought back the return of feu^dalism to a society of people who are already the hardest working, most productive workfo""rce in the world.

let these companies go into receiv ership, and let their court appointed trustees help guide them OUT of receiv*ership so that they are functional again. and FI*RE post haste the mor>ans currently driving these companies straight into the ground. quit rewarding b ad performance. make them explain to the average member of the public EXACTLY what a deri vati ve is, and then if joe public isn't in a co ,ma, then make the wall- street fat cats explain to them what a credit swap is, and how, through those two ludicr>ously structured financial instruments, they nearly brought this country to its kne es finan cially.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 09/29/2008
- jparso3 I'm a Fan of jparso3 3 fans permalink

Jim Cramer does not know what he is talking about.. He said Wachovia was ok... I did not believe because he said Bear Stearns was fine two days before it collapse

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 09/29/2008
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He is a clown.

He seems like a nice man, but he is a clown.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 09/29/2008
- L0ve PEace I'm a Fan of L0ve PEace 13 fans permalink
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Jim Cramer is a PONZI scheme enabler....If he stops trading he goes bust.... well, Jim welcome to America.... where we have all gone bust.. and long before Wall Street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 09/29/2008

Today was a great example of why Congress has an approval rating 10 points WORSE than President Bush! Steny Hoyer is capable of leading the Congress out of this. Nancy Pelosi is not. Nancy Pelosi is the face of today's debacle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 09/29/2008
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I hope you own stocks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 09/29/2008

Joan Walsh says Sarah Palin is making Dan Quail look like Colin Powell.
yup yup

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 09/29/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 403 fans permalink
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She's right!

Yup Yup

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 09/29/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 267 fans permalink
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Cafferty seems to think it's time for her to go. He didn't say it outright.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 09/29/2008
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 646 fans permalink
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let's' try this again:

any bill to "bail out" anybody needs to be structured to the average citizen FIRST (keep them in their homes, back up their bank deposits, and STRICT con trols on pre dat ory lenders and blo0d =sucking credit card companies).

keeping the rich, rich has done nothing but stagnate our economy and bring everything to a grinding halt. it has nearly brought back the return of feu^dalism to a society of people who are already the hardest working, most productive workforce in the world.

let these companies go into receivership, and let their court appointed trustees help guide them OUT of receivership so that they are functional again. and FI*RE post haste the mor>ans currently driving these companies straight into the ground. quit rewarding b ad performance. make them explain to the average member of the public EXACTLY what a deri vative is, and then if joe public isn't in a coma, then make the wall- street fat cats explain to them what a credit swap is, and how, through those two ludicr>ously structured financial instruments, they nearly brought this country to its knees financially.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 09/29/2008

What the hell, why not let it just collapse into a worldwide black hole.

It will be entertaining watching what happens to Main Street as the collapse of the financial institutions begins with a run on deposits. It will be something like watching the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust without the radiation. Only this will be a worldwide Main Street meltdown whose recovery may take decades. Those with money, no debt, and time will have the opportunity for substantial wealth . It will be an opportunity of a lifetime to build wealth out of misery.

Of course unemployment is going to rocket to heights not seen since the Depression of the 1930’s, somewhere around 25%, but who needs a job?

After all it is only whose who have no savings and those who are mortgaged to perfection that are going to be crushed when the economic bus crashes, but who care about them? It is much better to posture and pontificate they actually do something.

Thank you Horse’s arse of Representatives. Thanks for the wretchedness.

Hurry, hurry the big show is about to begin, get your tickets now. Don’t miss the implosion of America it’s going to be the show of a lifetime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 09/29/2008

Even with this economic disaster happening before our eyes I still think many people are still confused about just what McCain and Obama represent for the future of this country.

The voters -- ALL of them -- need to know how screwed they are if they vote for McCain. We are not reaching people in a way that hits home. They get snippets of information here, some there. They need to hear over and over exactly why they will be voting against their best interests if they vote for McCain.

And they need to understand clearly what Obama's plans are to fix this horrible mess (not that he has any magic answers....)

They don't know McCain's voting record. They don't know Obama's.

Each issue (the economic meltdown, Iraq, health care, education, taxes....) needs to covered in a "reeducation campaign".

* 60 - 90 second TV ads with Obama simply looking straight at the camera and explaining an issue are good.
* Same sort of radio spots are good. Nothing fancy, just Obama talking and explaining.
* Viral emails? Not crappy stuff but simple "fact sheets" that are compelling enough that people will send them to their friends and family.
* Full page ads in newspapers outlining the voting records of both O and M.
* Flood neighborhoods in key states with fact sheets?

Yes, it's true people vote based on emotions. Howefver, these emotions are created by giving the folks information first.

Anyone know exactly what the Obama campaign doing

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 09/29/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 267 fans permalink
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Possible reasons why the repubs voted the way they did, it might be one of these, it might be none of these, it might be a combination of two or more of these

1) They'd been stormed by their constitutents who thr eat ened to vote them out of office, if they voted for the bill
2) They wanted to test the stock market, to see how low it would go if they voted against the
bill (this was suggested by a CNN money analyst)
3) They wanted to test their constituents' resolve, by testing the stock market; they wanted to
know if their constitutents, who've been thr eat ening them if they passed it, would go on doing so in the face of plunging stocks, some of which effect their pensions and the like
4) They just wanted to scr**w Mc Cain because they just don't like him
5) They wanted to stick it to Pe losi because of her ta ctless speech today

I can't think of any more. It would be a dilemma if these guys had to choose between saving their own jobs and saving the economy. They can save their jobs by voting against the bill and letting the economy fall apart, or they can save the economy by voting for the bill, which might cost them their next race. It would serve them right to face that kind of dilemma, given how they have behaved for the last 8 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 09/29/2008
- myangeldog1 I'm a Fan of myangeldog1 103 fans permalink
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K u c i n i c h voted AGAINST IT.

This is CRAZY.....DEMS! attacking each other tonight.

Bull$hit I say.

Chalk one up for R o ve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 09/29/2008
- doctorkeys I'm a Fan of doctorkeys 7 fans permalink
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Hooray for Kucinich. Maybe he understands something about representative democracy that Pelosi doesn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 09/29/2008
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When is Boehner going to stop drinking?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 09/29/2008
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 646 fans permalink
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if you were him, would you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 09/29/2008

Maybe after celebrating McCain's election.

I'll bet I have a few.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 09/29/2008

and crying

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 09/29/2008
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No more strip clubs for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 09/29/2008
- LarBear I'm a Fan of LarBear 30 fans permalink
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Actually, I do not mind at all this Bill went down... Perhaps a better one will get crafted... Voting in Fear got us to Invade/ Occupy Iraq... Going over a cliff is for lemmings, not for those defending and protecting our Nation from GREED...

NO, our Nation is NOT going to collapse... But is under seige from GREED in business and in a to long co-operating Congress...

I'm actually more shocked Congress wasn't fear driven into another Bush/ Paulson backed plan... Unlike the FISA Amendment, I guess individual Fears of losing their Congressional Seat inspired some to take a stand...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 09/29/2008
- akkadian I'm a Fan of akkadian 8 fans permalink
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perhaps we should cease focusing on the Dow so much
and begin to focus on real issues instead
air, water, bees, food, family, and how to win this election in November
let the dead bury the dead

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 09/29/2008
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