Nobel Literature Chief Bashes American Literature

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MALIN RISING and HILLEL ITALIE | September 30, 2008 09:17 PM EST | AP

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STOCKHOLM, Sweden — Bad news for American writers hoping for a Nobel Prize next week: the top member of the award jury believes the United States is too insular and ignorant to compete with Europe when it comes to great writing.

Counters the head of the U.S. National Book Foundation: "Put him in touch with me, and I'll send him a reading list."

As the Swedish Academy enters final deliberations for this year's award, permanent secretary Horace Engdahl said it's no coincidence that most winners are European.

"Of course there is powerful literature in all big cultures, but you can't get away from the fact that Europe still is the center of the literary world ... not the United States," he told The Associated Press in an exclusive interview Tuesday.

He said the 16-member award jury has not selected this year's winner, and dropped no hints about who was on the short list. Americans Philip Roth and Joyce Carol Oates usually figure in speculation, but Engdahl wouldn't comment on any names.

Speaking generally about American literature, however, he said U.S. writers are "too sensitive to trends in their own mass culture," dragging down the quality of their work.

"The U.S. is too isolated, too insular. They don't translate enough and don't really participate in the big dialogue of literature," Engdahl said. "That ignorance is restraining."

His comments were met with fierce reactions from literary officials across the Atlantic.

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"You would think that the permanent secretary of an academy that pretends to wisdom but has historically overlooked Proust, Joyce, and Nabokov, to name just a few non-Nobelists, would spare us the categorical lectures," said David Remnick, editor of The New Yorker.

"And if he looked harder at the American scene that he dwells on, he would see the vitality in the generation of Roth, Updike, and DeLillo, as well as in many younger writers, some of them sons and daughters of immigrants writing in their adopted English. None of these poor souls, old or young, seem ravaged by the horrors of Coca-Cola."

Harold Augenbraum, executive director of the foundation which administers the National Book Awards, said he wanted to send Engdahl a reading list of U.S. literature.

"Such a comment makes me think that Mr. Engdahl has read little of American literature outside the mainstream and has a very narrow view of what constitutes literature in this age," he said.

"In the first place, one way the United States has embraced the concept of world culture is through immigration. Each generation, beginning in the late 19th century, has recreated the idea of American literature."

He added that this is something the English and French are discovering as immigrant groups begin to take their place in those traditions.

The most recent American to win the award was Toni Morrison in 1993. Other American winners include Saul Bellow, John Steinbeck and Ernest Hemingway.

As permanent secretary, Engdahl is a voting member of and spokesman for the secretive panel that selects the winners of what many consider the most prestigious award in literature.

The academy often picks obscure writers and hardly ever selects best-selling authors. It regularly faces accusations of snobbery, political bias and even poor taste.

Since Japanese writer Kenzaburo Oe won the award in 1994, the selections have had a distinct European flavor. Nine of the subsequent laureates were Europeans, including last year's winner, Doris Lessing of Britain. Of the other four, one was from Turkey and the others from South Africa, China and Trinidad. All had strong ties to Europe.

Engdahl said Europe draws literary exiles because it "respects the independence of literature" and can serve as a safe haven.

"Very many authors who have their roots in other countries work in Europe, because it is only here where you can be left alone and write, without being beaten to death," he said. "It is dangerous to be an author in big parts of Asia and Africa."

Kwame Anthony Appiah, a leading African scholar and a professor of philosophy at Princeton University, said that there has been a long history of American writers being influenced by authors elsewhere and in turn having an impact overseas, including in Europe.

"Is America really a diminished presence in the literary world? That's not the sense you get looking at European book stores. I'm always amazed how many of the books in German or Italian bookstores are translations from American English," Appiah said.

"The big dialogue of literature isn't just going on in Paris and Frankfurt ... I assume even Engdahl agrees it is not centered on Stockholm," he said.

The Nobel Prize announcements start next week with the medicine award on Monday, followed by physics, chemistry, peace and economics. Next Thursday is a possible date for the literature prize, but the Swedish Academy by tradition only gives the date two days before.

Engdahl suggested the announcement date could be a few weeks away, saying "it could take some time" before the academy settles on a name.

Each Nobel Prize includes a $1.3 million purse, a gold medal and a diploma. The awards are handed out Dec. 10, the anniversary of prize founder Alfred Nobel's death in 1896.

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Italie contributed from New York.

STOCKHOLM, Sweden — Bad news for American writers hoping for a Nobel Prize next week: the top member of the award jury believes the United States is too insular and ignorant to compete with Euro...
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- Norge I'm a Fan of Norge 22 fans permalink

It is unfortunate American politicials do not read all of the great literature America has to offer and learn from it. Perhaps they do not consider it worthy of their important time.

By the looks of the mass culture and behavior in the international war arena, American politicans do live on an insular island far removed from the world at large with their borders sealed from fear of foreigners.
What has America done out in the world that should now be so afraid of reprisals?
If America's political leaders would read the literature of their own land, perhaps their behavior would change and they would be a bit more than just brutal.

Rolf Krogsæther

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 10/06/2008
- Skla I'm a Fan of Skla permalink

What an incredibly arrogant and insular worldview he has. Literature is not the domain of just the US and Europe.

I guess we should discount Mr. Engdahl's comments from just last year when he wrote: "Perhaps Americans have been few and far between in recent years, after Toni Morrison. But there is no particular purpose in this. The prize always concerns an individual, not a nation, and we have no principle of distribution when we decide. That would violate the will of (prize founder Alfred) Nobel."

Yet in 2008, a mere year later, the US is faulted as a nation...

This reminds me of the whole .."...we don't dislike Americans, we dislike their governments positions..." All the while bashing the PEOPLE, not the government, as tourists are a handy target for hypocritical raging. I guess he edited the part where he called us all fat.

After all, the Nobel prize is only the mea culpa of a rich European worried about his reputation. The cash comes from a bloodstained fortune built on weapons technology. Nobel's inventions, dynamite, various cannons and rockets, have killed millions. And he wasn't even American...huh...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 10/01/2008

Engdahl is obviously right. His comment was directed mainly to Europeans and other nations of the world. I don't think he was naive enough to hope that many people in America can understand his comment. After all, as he said, this country is an ignorant island.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 10/01/2008

Perhpas from a Russian, French or German writer there may be so grounds for discussion. But coming from a minor academic and a failed writer living in pompously self-satisfied petty bourgeois country.... Hmmm, I wonder if anyone can enlighten us with examples of Swedish literature genius... maybe music genius... art genius? This I gotta see..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 10/01/2008
- PaxMundis I'm a Fan of PaxMundis 13 fans permalink

"Engdahl is obviously right. His comment was directed mainly to Europeans and other nations of the world. I don't think he was naive enough to hope that many people in America can understand his comment. After all, as he said, this country is an ignorant island."

The country may be this way, but not its writers. Do we really need to list them again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 10/10/2008

The Literature Nobel Prize is the biggest crock, as a list of the non-winners routinely shows. In addition to the aforementioned Proust, Joyce, and Nabokov, you could add Hardy, Twain, H.G. Wells, Freud, Auden, Borges, Frost, William Trevor, Akhmatova, Pynchon (his later work probably counts him out at this point), and many others, not to mention the three greatest poets of the 20th Century: Stevens, Rilke, and Vallejo.

And yet look at some of the people who have been honored: Pearl Buck? John Steinbeck? Sinclair Lewis? If this is what the Nobel people think constitutes great American literature, no wonder they are so dismissive. And Sigrid Unset? Selma Lagerlof? Doris Lessing? Seems like they are the provincial, insular, and ignorant ones.

And a final rant: why the bias against science fiction? I've mentioned Wells, but what about Stanislaw Lem? Or William Gibson? I realize Gibson is not up to Lem's literary standards, but he's at least as masterful as half of the Nobel prize list.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 10/01/2008

ABSOLUTELY On Lem!!! Especially his later works-- literature approaching Swift and Rabelais in sophistication and satirical sharpness. Probably the only sci-fi writer deserving the Prize.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 10/01/2008

"U.S. writers are "too sensitive to trends in their own mass culture," dragging down the quality of their work."

What a crock. Wasn't Mark Twain writing about the trends of American culture with works like Huck Finn? Commentary on what's happening now is part of what makes literature great. It's a time capsule for the society from which the words were born.

I challenge ole' Horace to read Rorschach's Ribs (Marcus Eder) or Smashed, Squashed, Splattered, Chewed, Chunked and Spewed (Lance Carbuncle) or a handful of other artists on independant publisher's imprints before making such brash and bold comments.

Somehow, I blame Bush for this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 10/01/2008
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I hate to admit it but I have to agree...if I see one more 'hood title' in the stores...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 10/01/2008
- billwetzel I'm a Fan of billwetzel 3 fans permalink

That's just bullshit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 10/01/2008
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 167 fans permalink

What a surprise - another Eurocentric snob.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 10/01/2008
- nubret2008 I'm a Fan of nubret2008 16 fans permalink
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As a European with a university master degree in American Literature I have to admit: Mr. Engdahl is totally wrong and doesn't seem to get it. For almost a century now American authors belong to the best world culture has to offer. I am not even speaking of Earnest Hemingway, Arthur Miller or Jack Kerouac now. American Literature is one of the most diverse worldwide. Think of the great (Nobel Prize Winner) Tony Morrison, or the great novels and short-stories of James Baldwin. Even post-modern authors such as Jonathan Franzen or the great Richard Powers write groundbreaking novels. Think of Richard Powers combining science and poetic abstraction to mainstream novels.

I guess Mr. Engdahl has the old European belief that worthy literature doesn't sell good. But he should remember Mozart. The greatest composer of all time was able to create art that entertains amateurs and delight professionals at the same time. There are a lot of American authors who can do the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 AM on 10/01/2008
- jgaines7 I'm a Fan of jgaines7 3 fans permalink
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This proves that even Europeans can have ignorant points of view.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 AM on 10/01/2008

Spend some time on European forums and you realize that Americans have no monopoly on willful ignorance. In fact, we may not even be globally competitive. What the Europeans have on is is a semi-functional press. What we have on them is ultra-sensitive bullshit detectors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 10/01/2008
- Kevbo68 I'm a Fan of Kevbo68 6 fans permalink
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Who would want the prize from a snob like that? Dude, you're in Sweden of all places, not the home of the planet's greatest literary traditions and certainly home to its own insular writing.

P.S. My grandmother had a novel recipe for Pullet Surprise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 AM on 10/01/2008

American exceptionalism spills over into literature.
Someone challenges that position about books and suddenly even literate Americans start to sound like George W. Bush talking about foreign policy. It is part anti-intel­lectualism that prevails in America, and is part lack of interest in the history, culture, and language in the outside world.
The meltdown in America isn't just limited to the financial world. The world of literature could benefit from a bailout against insularity.
There is a bargain literature demands. Engage the world. Not report what has happened in your neighborhood.

No butterfly ever rises to sky before breaking free of the cocoon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 AM on 10/01/2008

Americans have been historically under-represented in the literary Nobel, despite dominating in the non-subjective fields, so we are the underdogs in this discussion. When we have won the Nobel, it has not been for our greatest writers and has often been done to score political points. American literature is as vibrant and outward-looking as any in the world. Sure we have our share of navel-gazers and cultural chauvinists; who doesn't? Robbe-Grillet, anyone?

Engdahl can make these comments because America is very unpopular at the moment, but our writers are not our politicians and in fact with only few exceptions they are are among those who have most consistently opposed our politicians. If imperial insular chauvinistic jingoism bothers Endahl, maybe they should rescind Kipling's Nobel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 10/01/2008

"The U.S. is too isolated, too insular.."
Yet they gave the Prize to Orhan Pamuk who is strictly an Istanbul writer. Dostoyevsky was insular, Tolstoy was a virulent Russophile. So what! What kind of nonsense is it to evaluate the worth of literature based on how many conferences the writers schmooze at. What breathlessly ignorant comment from a man who has not written a decent book in his life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 10/01/2008

Doris Lessing! DORIS LESSING?! ' nough said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 10/01/2008
- GunneraGirl I'm a Fan of GunneraGirl 123 fans permalink
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thank you! to which i must add : anatole france??????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 10/01/2008

My addition: Ernest Effing Hemingway? I've never understood that one. Yeccchhhhh. Every word a fake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 10/01/2008

This from a genius ( Engdahl) who barely managed a PhD in 8 years of study. Subject: Swedish Romantic literature. 8 years on Swedish literature?!
Lately he has been working on "Yes Master Degree" in Political Correctness... did much better on that one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 10/01/2008
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