Nobel Literature Chief Bashes American Literature

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MALIN RISING and HILLEL ITALIE | September 30, 2008 09:17 PM EST | AP

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STOCKHOLM, Sweden — Bad news for American writers hoping for a Nobel Prize next week: the top member of the award jury believes the United States is too insular and ignorant to compete with Europe when it comes to great writing.

Counters the head of the U.S. National Book Foundation: "Put him in touch with me, and I'll send him a reading list."

As the Swedish Academy enters final deliberations for this year's award, permanent secretary Horace Engdahl said it's no coincidence that most winners are European.

"Of course there is powerful literature in all big cultures, but you can't get away from the fact that Europe still is the center of the literary world ... not the United States," he told The Associated Press in an exclusive interview Tuesday.

He said the 16-member award jury has not selected this year's winner, and dropped no hints about who was on the short list. Americans Philip Roth and Joyce Carol Oates usually figure in speculation, but Engdahl wouldn't comment on any names.

Speaking generally about American literature, however, he said U.S. writers are "too sensitive to trends in their own mass culture," dragging down the quality of their work.

"The U.S. is too isolated, too insular. They don't translate enough and don't really participate in the big dialogue of literature," Engdahl said. "That ignorance is restraining."

His comments were met with fierce reactions from literary officials across the Atlantic.

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"You would think that the permanent secretary of an academy that pretends to wisdom but has historically overlooked Proust, Joyce, and Nabokov, to name just a few non-Nobelists, would spare us the categorical lectures," said David Remnick, editor of The New Yorker.

"And if he looked harder at the American scene that he dwells on, he would see the vitality in the generation of Roth, Updike, and DeLillo, as well as in many younger writers, some of them sons and daughters of immigrants writing in their adopted English. None of these poor souls, old or young, seem ravaged by the horrors of Coca-Cola."

Harold Augenbraum, executive director of the foundation which administers the National Book Awards, said he wanted to send Engdahl a reading list of U.S. literature.

"Such a comment makes me think that Mr. Engdahl has read little of American literature outside the mainstream and has a very narrow view of what constitutes literature in this age," he said.

"In the first place, one way the United States has embraced the concept of world culture is through immigration. Each generation, beginning in the late 19th century, has recreated the idea of American literature."

He added that this is something the English and French are discovering as immigrant groups begin to take their place in those traditions.

The most recent American to win the award was Toni Morrison in 1993. Other American winners include Saul Bellow, John Steinbeck and Ernest Hemingway.

As permanent secretary, Engdahl is a voting member of and spokesman for the secretive panel that selects the winners of what many consider the most prestigious award in literature.

The academy often picks obscure writers and hardly ever selects best-selling authors. It regularly faces accusations of snobbery, political bias and even poor taste.

Since Japanese writer Kenzaburo Oe won the award in 1994, the selections have had a distinct European flavor. Nine of the subsequent laureates were Europeans, including last year's winner, Doris Lessing of Britain. Of the other four, one was from Turkey and the others from South Africa, China and Trinidad. All had strong ties to Europe.

Engdahl said Europe draws literary exiles because it "respects the independence of literature" and can serve as a safe haven.

"Very many authors who have their roots in other countries work in Europe, because it is only here where you can be left alone and write, without being beaten to death," he said. "It is dangerous to be an author in big parts of Asia and Africa."

Kwame Anthony Appiah, a leading African scholar and a professor of philosophy at Princeton University, said that there has been a long history of American writers being influenced by authors elsewhere and in turn having an impact overseas, including in Europe.

"Is America really a diminished presence in the literary world? That's not the sense you get looking at European book stores. I'm always amazed how many of the books in German or Italian bookstores are translations from American English," Appiah said.

"The big dialogue of literature isn't just going on in Paris and Frankfurt ... I assume even Engdahl agrees it is not centered on Stockholm," he said.

The Nobel Prize announcements start next week with the medicine award on Monday, followed by physics, chemistry, peace and economics. Next Thursday is a possible date for the literature prize, but the Swedish Academy by tradition only gives the date two days before.

Engdahl suggested the announcement date could be a few weeks away, saying "it could take some time" before the academy settles on a name.

Each Nobel Prize includes a $1.3 million purse, a gold medal and a diploma. The awards are handed out Dec. 10, the anniversary of prize founder Alfred Nobel's death in 1896.

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Italie contributed from New York.

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Seein' as I'm one of them great big honkin' Thomas Pynchon fans you'd figure that I'd be miffed over Tommy Boy's continued absence from the Nobel ranks. But after the Professor Irwin Corey debacle at the National Book Awards some thirty years back I doubt anyone in their right mind would want to hand him an award for anything---say dogcatcher of the month or "Miss Congeniality" or even "worst new flavor."* Let's not even mention all that product placement of Alfred Bernhard Nobel's gift to the world in "Against the Day."

Still, let's just look at who did win, ok?

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/

I ain't sayin' all these folks lack talent, many are greats and all, but there's still a fair number of authors on this list where you're gonna say: "you've got to be kidding". Horace Engdahl is as insular in his way as us neanderthals here in the sticks.

*There's a good 50 potential nominees for that vaunted prize in Gravity's Rainbow alone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 10/01/2008
- GunneraGirl I'm a Fan of GunneraGirl 128 fans permalink
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i'm counting 10 americans in 107 years. and that's not to mention the emigres to america who had either already won or were to win. what's this guy talking about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 10/01/2008

Writers who should have won the Nobel Prize for Literature
James Joyce, Marcel Proust, F. Scott Fitzgerald, John Dos Pasos, Thomas Wolfe, Virginia Woolf, Graham Greene, J.R.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, D.H. Lawrence, George Orwell, Aldous Huxley, Willa Cather, Edith Wharton, Lawrence Durrell, D.M. Thomas, Vladimir Nabokov, Henry Miller, William S. Burroughs, Jack Kerouac, Tenessee Williams, Arthur Miller, Evelyn Waugh, Anthony Powell, C.P. Snow, William Gaddis, Thomas Pynchon, Donald Barthelme, Sol Yurick, John Bath, J.D. Salinger, Walker Percy, John Updike, and Phillip Roth

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 10/01/2008
- nubret2008 I'm a Fan of nubret2008 18 fans permalink
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Agree, but I would add James Baldwin. Great stuff!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 AM on 10/01/2008

Agreed, not necessarily with every one of your picks, but on the whole this looks like a much better list than the actual list of laureates. However, the Nobel fellas should be let off the hook in regards to a Jack Kerouac or a F. Scott Fitzgerald: early death pretty much cut them off in what could at the time have been presumed to be the middle of their literary careers. I don't think there's anything wrong with waiting to give someone the Nobel when they are closer to the end of their career than the beginning.­..except when it means giving it to a shrunken nonagenarian who has had a less substantial career than many a man or woman in, say, their fifties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 10/01/2008
- abt I'm a Fan of abt 4 fans permalink

First of all, spare me with the prizes.
The list of non-winners of the Nobel is vastly superior to the winners - period stop.
Many of the best American writers are writing for film.
My favorite living American writers include:
Alice Notley
Denis Johnson
Annie Proulx
Gary Snyder
Mary Oliver
Thomas Pynchon
David Mamet
Paula Vogel
Sam Shephard
Edward Albee
Maria Irene Fornes
John Guare
Tracy Letts
Naomi Iizuka
Alice Walker
Adrienne Rich
Galway Kinnell
John Ashbery
Ishmael Reed
I'm leaving lots of people out.
Let's not forget that Mr. Salinger is still alive, and apparently working on a magnum opus that will shut everybody up.
Other favorite living Canadian writers:
Michael Ondaatje
Dennis Lee
Phyllis Webb
Judith Thompson
Brad Fraser
Robert Lepage
Other favorite 20th century writers (of all time) include:
Julio Cortazar
Cesar Vallejo
Roberto Bolano
Which I guess puts Latin America near the top of any 20th century list.
Why didn't Frank O'Hara or Charles Olson or William Carlos Williams ever win a Nobel Prize?
Please tell me that.
Hence the worthlessness of the Nobel Committee and the artistic irrelevance of anyone remotely connected to it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 09/30/2008

Thomas Pynchon, of course. But I'm also into low-brow-- William Gibson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 10/01/2008

I disagree that Gibson is low brow or even middlebrow. I think he's a tremendously inventive writer and an excellent prose stylist, as his collaboration with Sterling made painfully clear (Sterling is a good sci fi writer but not a prose master like Gibson). I think he is the equal of Delillo and belongs in the company of the great Stanislaw Lem and H.G. Wells.

Another great prose master working in a pop genre and so likely not to get her due: Susannah Clarke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 10/01/2008
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Didn't Mr. Bush win a Wurlitzer prize down west of Waco somewhere?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 09/30/2008

Please.. at least one tread without the pathetically unoriginal Bush tie-ins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 10/01/2008
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Wurlitzer prize is original, and clever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 10/01/2008

It appears Mr. Engdahl doesn't read much American Literature. Here's a short reading list of young writers:

Michael Chabon - Wonder Boys, The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay, The Yiddish Policemen's Union

Sherman Alexie - The Lone Ranger and Tonto Fistfight in Heaven, Reservation Blues, The Toughest Indian in the World, Ten Little Indians, The Business of Fancydancing, Flight

Junot Diaz - Drown, The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao

I wonder if Mr. Engdahl has any comments about all those wonderful European reality TV shows?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 09/30/2008
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He's obviously not understood Hannity and O'Rieley adequately; otherwise, he'd know that America is the greatest country on Earth.

[rolling eyes]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 09/30/2008

Evidently this man has not read "My Pet Goat" which is on W's top 5 list.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 09/30/2008
- brendanm I'm a Fan of brendanm 3 fans permalink

If Americans are so insular and our literature is not very good as a result, how come I've never read or heard of any foreign books? Huh? Bet you can't answer that, smart guy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 09/30/2008
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HA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 10/01/2008

The kind of backlash I'd expect after handing our great nation over to the American Taliban.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 09/30/2008
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The Sarah Palin effect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 09/30/2008
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The Nobel for literature has been a joke for nearly a century.

For long stretches they simply picked a writer working in very minor languages (I mean that discrptively).

Along with their failure to recognize giants such as Proust and Joyce (Pear Buck, anyone?) they never for a minute considered an American 20th Century giant: Henry Miller.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 09/30/2008

ever since war criminal Henry Kissinger was the awarded the Nobel prize (for peace no less!!!) i stopped paying attention to that sorry accolade

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 09/30/2008

Not to mention Arafat....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 10/01/2008
- Jamesdean I'm a Fan of Jamesdean 4 fans permalink

and don't forget Yit zhak Ra bin and Shi mon Pe res.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 10/01/2008

Ah, sure. Kick us when we are down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 09/30/2008
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How much did you pay for that rug, Horace? It looks as cheap and flawed as your judgement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 09/30/2008
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Does it hurt?
Well just let's go and check the humanistic schools/classes of the USA and compare them with those of another western country, The hurt will be substituted by a sense of shame on our part. Try it: it is cathartic and we can start anew may be. After all Gershwin had the same feeling when he thought he was writing great music until he met the great ones in Germany. The same in literature. And perhaps philosophy: when Wittgenstein arrived in New York they said "God had arrived"..­.We need to open up society (not Academia that already happens to a certain degree) not to products from China but to intellectuals of the West, it is long overdue. We must shed this "number one" bull and regain an humble stance. If we do not see we are not that good, we will never make any effort. But I doubt anything will ever change here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 09/30/2008
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Are you saying Gershwin didn't write great music?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 09/30/2008

The dig against Gershwin is absolute nonsense.T­here's a telling anecdote..­. Gershwin approached Schoenberg for some composition lesson ( 12-tone row technique). Schoenberg is reported to have said:" Why would you want to become a bad Schoenberg when you're already such a marvelous Gershwin."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 10/01/2008
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'humanistic schools? classes? i assume you mean the humanities and liberal arts college. which are more plentiful, far more greatly attended and of as high, if not higher calibre than at least one other western country i can think of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 10/01/2008

Gershwin is the equal of anyone you care to name in 20th Century music, as was Duke Ellington. Their music will stand with Stravinsky's when Schonberg is long forgotten.

And we have LONG been open to the intellectuals of the West: ours was the first modern state to be based not on superstitious patriarchy but on the writings of Western intellectuals. For hundreds of years we have absorbed many of the best minds of the West, fleeing the repression and brutality of Europe (not to mention many other nations and continents). Unfortunately, cynical Europeans also sent us their religious lunatics and criminals, too. So, as Leonard Cohen (relax: he's Canadian) says, we are "the cradle of the best - and of the worst."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 10/01/2008

There is talent in this country, but the way things are marketed hardly any of it gets published. It's all about the mighty dollar and commercial appeal. Tweaking a formulaic plot lines to yield mass appeal and the most money often ends with mediocre products. Marketing has a tendency to over promise and under-deliver in these mediums. Look at the mind numbing movies coming out of Hollywood by these huge outfits like Universal and Sony. People don't get challenged very much anymore with novel ideas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 09/30/2008
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