Nobel Literature Chief Bashes American Literature

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MALIN RISING and HILLEL ITALIE | September 30, 2008 09:17 PM EST | AP

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STOCKHOLM, Sweden — Bad news for American writers hoping for a Nobel Prize next week: the top member of the award jury believes the United States is too insular and ignorant to compete with Europe when it comes to great writing.

Counters the head of the U.S. National Book Foundation: "Put him in touch with me, and I'll send him a reading list."

As the Swedish Academy enters final deliberations for this year's award, permanent secretary Horace Engdahl said it's no coincidence that most winners are European.

"Of course there is powerful literature in all big cultures, but you can't get away from the fact that Europe still is the center of the literary world ... not the United States," he told The Associated Press in an exclusive interview Tuesday.

He said the 16-member award jury has not selected this year's winner, and dropped no hints about who was on the short list. Americans Philip Roth and Joyce Carol Oates usually figure in speculation, but Engdahl wouldn't comment on any names.

Speaking generally about American literature, however, he said U.S. writers are "too sensitive to trends in their own mass culture," dragging down the quality of their work.

"The U.S. is too isolated, too insular. They don't translate enough and don't really participate in the big dialogue of literature," Engdahl said. "That ignorance is restraining."

His comments were met with fierce reactions from literary officials across the Atlantic.

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"You would think that the permanent secretary of an academy that pretends to wisdom but has historically overlooked Proust, Joyce, and Nabokov, to name just a few non-Nobelists, would spare us the categorical lectures," said David Remnick, editor of The New Yorker.

"And if he looked harder at the American scene that he dwells on, he would see the vitality in the generation of Roth, Updike, and DeLillo, as well as in many younger writers, some of them sons and daughters of immigrants writing in their adopted English. None of these poor souls, old or young, seem ravaged by the horrors of Coca-Cola."

Harold Augenbraum, executive director of the foundation which administers the National Book Awards, said he wanted to send Engdahl a reading list of U.S. literature.

"Such a comment makes me think that Mr. Engdahl has read little of American literature outside the mainstream and has a very narrow view of what constitutes literature in this age," he said.

"In the first place, one way the United States has embraced the concept of world culture is through immigration. Each generation, beginning in the late 19th century, has recreated the idea of American literature."

He added that this is something the English and French are discovering as immigrant groups begin to take their place in those traditions.

The most recent American to win the award was Toni Morrison in 1993. Other American winners include Saul Bellow, John Steinbeck and Ernest Hemingway.

As permanent secretary, Engdahl is a voting member of and spokesman for the secretive panel that selects the winners of what many consider the most prestigious award in literature.

The academy often picks obscure writers and hardly ever selects best-selling authors. It regularly faces accusations of snobbery, political bias and even poor taste.

Since Japanese writer Kenzaburo Oe won the award in 1994, the selections have had a distinct European flavor. Nine of the subsequent laureates were Europeans, including last year's winner, Doris Lessing of Britain. Of the other four, one was from Turkey and the others from South Africa, China and Trinidad. All had strong ties to Europe.

Engdahl said Europe draws literary exiles because it "respects the independence of literature" and can serve as a safe haven.

"Very many authors who have their roots in other countries work in Europe, because it is only here where you can be left alone and write, without being beaten to death," he said. "It is dangerous to be an author in big parts of Asia and Africa."

Kwame Anthony Appiah, a leading African scholar and a professor of philosophy at Princeton University, said that there has been a long history of American writers being influenced by authors elsewhere and in turn having an impact overseas, including in Europe.

"Is America really a diminished presence in the literary world? That's not the sense you get looking at European book stores. I'm always amazed how many of the books in German or Italian bookstores are translations from American English," Appiah said.

"The big dialogue of literature isn't just going on in Paris and Frankfurt ... I assume even Engdahl agrees it is not centered on Stockholm," he said.

The Nobel Prize announcements start next week with the medicine award on Monday, followed by physics, chemistry, peace and economics. Next Thursday is a possible date for the literature prize, but the Swedish Academy by tradition only gives the date two days before.

Engdahl suggested the announcement date could be a few weeks away, saying "it could take some time" before the academy settles on a name.

Each Nobel Prize includes a $1.3 million purse, a gold medal and a diploma. The awards are handed out Dec. 10, the anniversary of prize founder Alfred Nobel's death in 1896.

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Italie contributed from New York.

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"Very many authors who have their roots in other countries work in Europe, because it is only here where you can be left alone and write, without being beaten to death," he said. "It is dangerous to be an author in big parts of Asia and Africa."

What insulting Eurocentric nonsense!

Of course, no writers or intellectuals of note have ever sought a safe heaven in the United States. Naturally, there are no poets or novelists of talent still living and working in the Arab world, Iran--or in Latin America, as a previous poster mentioned.

Add Henry James to the list of American authors ignored and Cormac McCarthy--again as mentioned in a previous post--to the list of authors who are deserving of the prize.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 09/30/2008
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yes! i mean just look how quickly solzhenitsyn, mann, and others ran to western europe to be safe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 10/01/2008
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No wonder the Nobel picks for literature are so often so silly.

Engdahl's hatred of America is showing. There are lots of reasons to hate America
if that makes you happy, but literature is not one of them.

Look at the list of Nobel winners. How many are still read? Not to mention the ones
that no one has ever heard of. Ever.

Partisan ignorance. I suggest he wade through James Welch and Leslie Marmon Silko
for a start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 09/30/2008

Albert Camus, 1957, still read.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 09/30/2008
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Of course many Nobel laureates are still read --Faulkner, Hemingway, Steinbeck, Pinter, Beckett...the list is long.

Thr point is, there are dozens of others who very few ever heard of, are not read, and most probably were never dead.
And most likely never should be read.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 09/30/2008
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"Look at the list of Nobel winners. How many are still read?"

Some should be. Americans should be reading Sinclair Lewis' "It Can't Happen Here," a cautionary tale about the rise of a fascist state in America. Not Lewis' best, but the political maneuverings could be straight out of today's front pages.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 10/01/2008

There are many great writers on the Nobel list and some of them will be read 500 years from now, if Sarah Palin and Vlad Putin and fundamentalist terrorists are kept away from WMDs. Don't disparage the good writers on the list because the Nobel so frequently is a joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 10/01/2008

Once in Amsterdam, a Dutch musician said to me, "it must be very difficult for you in America to write music, for you are so far away from the centers of tradition." I had to say, "It must be very difficult for you in Europe to write music, you are so close to the centers of tradition."

- John Cage

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 09/30/2008
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Good one. I'm pleasantly surprised.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 09/30/2008

Except for Louis Andriessen, there's absolutely nothing going on in Netherlands in music. Everyone's just mooching off the government grants and producing absolutely sterile music. This is true for most of the current European scene, except for IRCAM and even that has seen better days. Most of most vital post-WW2 styles came out of U.S., it hurts me to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 10/01/2008

Hey Dude, like we got the "World" Series in baseball , and the Super Bowl, you mean there's something else?

I'm joking , repeat, I am joking.........................................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 09/30/2008
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Obviously he has not read any of John Clancy's work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 09/30/2008
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Tom's long lost brother? ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 09/30/2008

You mean the playwright whose brilliant play FATBOY made its west coast debut in Los Angeles at the Imagined Life Theater (San Vicente and Hauser) this past weekend? That John Clancy!!

Tickets are available at www.needtheater.org

Check it out! A totally unique voice to the theater community!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 09/30/2008

I don't like the implication he seems to be making that the world-wide competition for "best literature" seems to be between only Europe and North America. If you ask me, the best region for literature over the last hundred years has been Latin America.

Oh, and it's frustrating that people actually seem to believe that all Americans are dumb, boorish and practically illiterate. Are there plenty of those people around? Sure. Does our country as a whole have a wicked God Complex? Sure does. Does that mean that we're devoid of any intellectualism, and are unable to write or even appreciate great art? Absolutely not. If reading Nabokov or Mann or Proust means I have to became a jaded elitist and look down on the country I grew up in and can find beauty and character by the boat loads in, then, well, good thing my focus is on Latin American lit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 09/30/2008

American literature often seems very insular. Happy endings do occur in life and literature, but they ought not be the sole domain of literature. Human improvement and progress emanates from understanding one's world, not in portraying a false image of reality.
http://uniskywriter.blogspot.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 09/30/2008
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And Nobel literature is not understanding, is portraying? Is great American lit?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 09/30/2008
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there is some truth to this. a rampant anti-intellectual movement has taken hold of, certain parts, of america. a shift from reason and rationality to faith has infected our politics. even the educated seem to be somewhat ill-informed about world affairs, outside of whom we happen to be bombing at the moment...
and yet, it seems rather hypocritical to marginalize the efforts of an entire nation out of a proud tradition of ethnocentrism...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 09/30/2008
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This begs for some justifiable Euro-bashing, but I will restrain myself. A few points: David Remnick is correct in noting that the list of Nobel laureates does not read like a list of the greatest literary lights of the last century, by a long shot. It is a fair statement that American literature is insular relative to European or International literature, but it is not axiomatic that this insularity is in and of itself a serious flaw. If a dialogue with other cultures is a necessity for great art, I suppose the visual culture of, say, ancient African or Oceanic societies is inadequate? Of course not. Also, the size and diversity of the United States is such that there is plenty of dialogue between the various genres, traditions, and subcultures that fall within the bounds of American literature. Anyway, Engdahl's argument can be shredded many times over from many angles. More than likely we will see another pick this year that is less deserving and less American than Philip Roth, Joyce Carol Oates or even outside choices such as J.D. Salinger or Bob Dylan. By the way, I still haven't gotten over the virtual unjustifiability of last year's pick. Doris Lessing? Can anyone say with a straight face that she has any advantage over, just to limit oneself to British novelists, Martin Amis or Ian McEwan, besides her advanced age? Really the Nobel in Literature is worse than the Grammys in rewarding excellence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 09/30/2008
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Wonderful post.

And if you are who I think you are, what an honor!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 09/30/2008
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I don't think she is who you think she is. But good post regardless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 09/30/2008

Sorry, not who you think I am. Just a spoonerism from a humble Midwesterner with a fondness for words and their manipulation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 09/30/2008
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"This begs for some justifiable Euro-bashing"

...and, predictably, gets "huffpost's pick." No one can dare criticize the US without a full xenophobic outburst following soon after...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 09/30/2008
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Tortured prose, but someone at HuffPost must have been impressed. The claim in your last sentence alone is ridiculous.

I agree with the blogger below--you must think Doris Lessing is someone else because otherwise your opinion is bizarre. She was eminently qualified--far, far, far more qualified than the two British writers who you name (who I happen to like, by the way, but they probably have another 3 decades of writing left in them). She has written in a multitude of genres, but to my taste, her realistic writing--the Africa novels, the feminist classic The Golden Notebook, etc.--is most memorable. She is a philosopher, a writer who expresses great complexity in all of her writing.

She deserved it as much as any writer deserved it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 09/30/2008

Have you read Doris Lessing? I bet not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 09/30/2008
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Engdahl is exactly right.

Amerians are stuck in many ways not only writers block.

India Japan and Canada have great young young writers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 09/30/2008

This is the same stupid argument that some Europeans have been trotting out about America since it's inception. There have been and still are great American writers, just like their are European writers who produce nothing but crap. Europeans watch trashy TV and read popular lit just as much as Americans. So please Mr. Nobel committee man spare me your unfounded arrogance. Europeans are just a insular and ignorant as Americans, but it makes some of them feel better to pretend they're not. Mr. Engdahl's own ignorance and insulation shows when he says most of the winners are European (Imagine that, Europeans winning a European prize.) and that Europe is the center of the literary world (which is something I seriously doubt. Who the hell decides where the center of the literary world is?). And these people have the nerve to say that Americans are arrogant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 09/30/2008
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Europeans are ever more defensive, sometimes. First it was the visual, plastic arts, although neo German Expressionism has been enjoying itself here, way back. Literature always bounces around, it's the nature of words, language. How could it not travel? Besides, if it didn't, reading could become mundane, like newspapers!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 09/30/2008

How about some constructive suggestions? Aside from those already mentioned (DeLillo, Roth, Updike, Oates, Barth and Pynchon), who are the living great American authors?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 09/30/2008
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paul auster is another

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 09/30/2008
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Well, Salinger' s still alive, even though he doesn't publish anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 09/30/2008
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Chris Bohjalian.

There are many, many. But they are not on TV.

Book festivals around America are usually sold out. All the time. Year round.
But they don't make it to the television so they do not exist for most Americans.
But that has always been the case, CSpan notwithstanding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 09/30/2008
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Jim Harrison

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 09/30/2008
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I kind of agree with him except it is a major GENERALIZATION!

Hmmm, I lived in France a few years back and Jean-Marie Le Pen (who almost became president) said he wanted to send damyn foreigners out of the country by train.... Ignorance & tendencies to be insular is world wide.

BTW, when I looked out the window at night while living in Paris almost every window had the glow of a TV in it.. many watching football!
Me, I don't own a TV.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 09/30/2008
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Philip Roth is a great writer deserving of consideration. The Nobel people may be put off by his overt sexual writing but that is a small part of his books which offer much, much more than graphic sex.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 09/30/2008
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I kind of agree with him except it is a major GENERALIZATION!

Hmmm, I lived in France a few years back and Jean-Marie Le Pen (who almost became president) said he wanted to send damyn foreigners out of the country by train.... Ignorance & tendencies to be insular is world wide.
BTW, when I looked out the window at night in the 18th arr. EVERY window had the glow of a TV... I don't own one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 09/30/2008
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