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JOE BEL BRUNO and TIM PARADIS | September 30, 2008 10:57 PM EST | AP

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The presence of news media attract scores of onlookers in front of Federal Hall during coverage of the nearby New York Stock Exchange, Tuesday Sept. 30, 2008. Wall Street snapped back Tuesday after its biggest sell-off in years amid growing expectations that lawmakers will salvage a $700 billion rescue plan for the financial sector. (AP Photos/Bebeto Matthews)

NEW YORK — Wall Street snapped back Tuesday after its biggest sell-off in years amid growing expectations that lawmakers will salvage a $700 billion rescue plan for the financial sector. But the seized-up credit markets where businesses turn to raise money showed no sign of relief.

One day after the biggest point drop in its history, the Dow Jones industrial average rose 485 points, or more than 4.5 percent _ the latest in a string of extraordinarily volatile days in the stock market. It was third-biggest point gain in the Dow's history and the biggest percentage climb in the Dow in six years.

The recovery in stocks wasn't unexpected as carnage on Wall Street often attracts bargain hunters, though questions remain about how investors will proceed. Without a bailout plan in place to absorb soured mortgage debt and other bad loans from battered banks, investors are left wondering what might restore confidence in lending.

Major stock indexes were almost a sideshow during the session, with the credit markets as the main event. A key rate that banks charge to lend to one another shot higher, a tightening of the availability of credit that could cascade through the economy.

Traders on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, still stunned from Monday's 778-point rout in the Dow, warned that the government needs to approve a plan that will sweep away the fears that hobbled the credit markets. While U.S. political leaders have vowed to revisit the issue, the House isn't slated to meet again until Thursday.

"If it doesn't pass, then look out below," said Jason Weisberg, an NYSE trader for Seaport Securities. "It could get ugly."

Though the blue-chip index rose nearly 500 points by late afternoon, the main worry for traders is that a lack of a plan will make it nearly impossible for some companies to fund basic operations like making payroll. Participants in the credit market buy and sell debt that companies use to finance operations.

The benchmark London Interbank Offered Rate, or LIBOR, that banks charge to lend to one another, rose sharply Tuesday, making it more expensive and difficult for consumers and businesses to borrow money. In addition, credit card debt and more than half of adjustable-rate mortgages are tied to LIBOR, so an increase isn't welcome for many consumers.

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LIBOR for 3-month dollar loans rose to 4.05 percent from 3.88 percent on Monday. LIBOR for 3-month euro loans, meanwhile, rose to 5.27 percent, from 5.22 percent Monday.

Critics of the bailout package believe that it was too costly and wouldn't have done enough to jump-start lending. To maintain pressure ahead of Thursday's likely vote, President Bush said in a statement from the White House early Tuesday that the damage to the economy will be "painful and lasting" unless Congress passes the bailout measure.

On Wall Street, many traders likely will proceed cautiously while they gauge prospects for resurrecting the bailout effort, which was backed by leaders of both parties.

"I'm not getting the sense that investors are going to be jumping in with both feet until there is some kind of resolution on the plan," said James Maguire, an NYSE floor trader with Christopher J. Forbes. "If there's a no vote, we're going to see a lower overall drift in stocks. It will be a slow bleed."

Traders also will likely focus on how the bloodshed will look on paper. Tuesday marks the final session of the third quarter _ and what is typically the worst month for the stock market _ so some portfolio managers might try to do what they can to dress up their performance. Others might simply wish to dump holdings in an unpopular corners of the market like the financial sector.

The Dow rose 485.21, or 4.68 percent, to 10,850.66 after falling nearly 7 percent on Monday to its lowest close in nearly three years. It was the largest point drop and 17th largest percentage drop in the blue chip index. The percentage decline was far less severe than the 20-plus-percent drops seen in the stock market crash of October 1987 and before the Great Depression.

Broader stock indicators also bounced higher. The Standard & Poor's 500 index recovered 58.35, or 5.27 percent, to 1,164.74, and the Nasdaq composite index rose 98.60, or 4.97 percent, to 2,082.33.

The S&P fell 8.79 percent Monday, while the Nasdaq lost 9.14 percent.

The yield on the 3-month Treasury bill rose Tuesday to 0.89 percent from 0.14 percent late Monday. The yield fell Monday as investors clamored for the safety of government debt. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which moves opposite its price, rose to 3.83 percent from 3.58 percent late Monday. The dollar rose against other major currencies and gold prices advanced.

While investors focused on what might come from Washington this week, Wall Street was cheered by several economic readings.

A private research group reported that consumer confidence rose unexpectedly in September. The Conference Board said Tuesday its Consumer Confidence Index rose to 59.8 from a revised 58.5 in August; Wall Street had expected a reading of 55.5, according to Thomson/IFR. The reading, which doesn't reflect attitudes following Monday's steep stock market sell-off, remains near a 16-year low.

The Chicago Purchasing Managers' index, which measures business conditions across Illinois, Michigan and Indiana, came in at 56.7 compared with 57.9 in August _ a second straight month of a strong reading.

Light, sweet crude rose $4.27 to settle at $100.64 on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Oil fell more than $10 a barrel Monday as investors worried that a weaker economy would curtail demand.

Advancing issues outnumbered decliners by about 2 to 1 on the New York Stock Exchange, where volume came to 5.84 billion shares by the closing bell.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies rose 21.86, or 3.32 percent, to 679.58.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei stock average fell 4.12 percent. But Hong Kong's Hang Seng index rose 0.76. Britain's FTSE 100 rose 1.74 percent, Germany's DAX index added 0.41 percent, and France's CAC-40 rose 1.99 percent.

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NEW YORK — Wall Street snapped back Tuesday after its biggest sell-off in years amid growing expectations that lawmakers will salvage a $700 billion rescue plan for the financial sector. But the...
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- PT6 I'm a Fan of PT6 25 fans permalink

Tom Delay the old Repub House Leader said he wants the CAPITAL GAINS TAX REDUCED TO ZERO FOR TWO YEARS!

That would be the BIGGEST BAILOUT IN OUR HISTORY!

IT WOULD MAKE THE $700 BILLION LOOK LIKE A peanut!

ANOTHER REPUB TAKE FROM THE MIDDLE CLASS!

OBAMA CAN KISS HIS PACKAGES GOODBYE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 10/01/2008
- sf94127 I'm a Fan of sf94127 5 fans permalink

If Wall Street melts down then Main Street melts down a few days later.

You people who are opposed to this bill which is really about bailing out morons who bought a house they could not afford: I assume you have your house all paid off and you have 1 million in cash stuffed in your mattress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 09/30/2008
- MyTake I'm a Fan of MyTake 32 fans permalink
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Stock markets are computer controlled and the software running those computers was written to manipulate the system at the behest of oil and finance.

American's collectively have succumbed to the Bush led "terror" block. They cannot figure out that they are being systemically victimized by powerful interlocked organizations that are running these scams (high oil, mortgage and failed banks) by flying them in under the radar of this election. All were contrived and preplanned as these organizations are steering you right into the cattle chute with a sign on it called the NORTH AMERICAN UNION and the AMERO currency.

If American's think this last year of the Bush presidency is bad, wait until you see the catastrophe being planned for the 1st year of the Obama presidency.

And here is one of those powerful organizations that controlled Bush, Clinton, Bush and now Obama: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=bfJLPwzWGug . Clinton is lying his $ss off about Jordan and guess who brought Obama to power; that same Jordan who has a bio on this site admitting his membership in this powerful organization.

It is time to connect-the-dots and take to the streets and protest. There is no other course of action left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 09/30/2008
- sf94127 I'm a Fan of sf94127 5 fans permalink

Now tell us your JFK, RFK, MLK conspiracy theories.

I execute about 12 trades a week; I don't see any sign of manipulation and I trade blue chip stocks.
I see a lot of buying and selling based on fear and panic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 09/30/2008
- MyTake I'm a Fan of MyTake 32 fans permalink
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Well, now that you brought JFK into it, a fellow named Allen Welsh Dulles (33rd degree Freemason) headed up the assassination. Out of 240 million Americans to draw from, The Warren Commission ended up with 7 of its 8 commissioners as confirmed Freemasons including Earl Warren. And Ford held the same rank. But that is not the kicker, Dulles, whom Kennedy fired as head of the CIA over the Bay of Pigs fiasco, is brought on board the Commission to control the evidence going before it. The entire corporate controlled media in the U.S., which force feeds you your daily disinformation, and all of the investigators and book writer's never made this connection. And you can't take the 33 blood curdling oaths of Freemasonry and take an oath of government at the same time.

Your fear and panic causes are contrived. Imagine, a jitter in Nigeria raises the stock market price of oil and the gas you put in your tank!

And here was one of those little "blue chip" programming patches that got out of the bag today: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081001153909.lhs7s6sf&show_article=1.

Have a good day!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 10/01/2008

The sky didn't fall today as pro-bailout advocates predicted. And as for the credit market, I don't believe it has tightened that much. I phoned my banker who is president of a small-town bank. He's loaning money at eight percent. He even offered to make me a loan, with the first payment not due for a year. Three cheers for the House of Representatives which put up a roadblock to crony capitalism.
Sterling Greenwood
Aspen Free Press

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 09/30/2008
- sf94127 I'm a Fan of sf94127 5 fans permalink

Market is up today because investors believe this vote will be reversed.

If it makes you "happy" futures for DOW, Nasdaq, and S&P are all down tonite pointing to at least a rough opening manana.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 09/30/2008
- NPRLuvr I'm a Fan of NPRLuvr 4 fans permalink
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Let Wall Street bailout Wall Street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 09/30/2008

too funny....Y­ouTube - The Poorhouse Rock - C Whitecane Clemens

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 09/30/2008
- MissStorm I'm a Fan of MissStorm 2 fans permalink

"The recovery in stocks wasn't unexpected­"...

Who are you trying to kid?

Have you forgotten that if this BAILOUT (aka rescue plan) wasn't passed it would be the end of the world on Mon!

If you are going to lie... at least be a little bit more clever about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 09/30/2008
- edgemo I'm a Fan of edgemo 5 fans permalink

Dow closes up to down 3348pts over 2001 when adjusted for even a mere 4% annual growth that any other administration could have pulled in, and down just under 2000 when adjusted for 2% annual inflation. Some recovery hey what? Numbskull. What you are missing, is that the repugs have presided over a dismal period in our economic history, and this crisis is just one more in a long line that the failed business guy with the 'gentleman's' C's from Harvard has managed to deliver.. Yahoo!

The plus for me, is that I lowered my positions big about 10 days ago, and bought big today, averaging down on everything we held and we stand to make out well with even moderate recovery - and I've never shorted (ie: bet against america) a stock.

But then, I can afford it... thanks to investing in some great companies with democratic values. AS far as my personal position: I could let the banks fail. But I think bigger than that. I don't need others to lose home and retirement for ME to succeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 09/30/2008
- CNBCSucks I'm a Fan of CNBCSucks 3 fans permalink

I have done some investigation of the credit crunch (a bit of it can be found through http://cnbcsucks.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/ill-go-out-on-a-limb-and-predict-it-wont-be-armageddon-tomorrow/), and I am afraid that the bailout proposal just might be the third biggest lie that has been foisted upon the American people in this decade. WMDs in Iraq was second. I will leave it to your imagination as to the first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 09/30/2008
- redsongia I'm a Fan of redsongia 91 fans permalink
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It's all bull, till YOU need a loan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 09/30/2008

Fine. Please explain how the buyout will actually help anyone get a loan?

Flushing bad investments off on the backs of taxpayers doesn't make the banks more likely to give loans, any more than a nearly-drowned swimmer wants to jump back into the ocean after being rescued by the coast guard.

And, it seems that, despite dire predictions of imminent doom, the stock market is still able to make money for the "savvy investor"; I'll be damned if they get my tax money as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 09/30/2008
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 60 fans permalink
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Who takes out a loan to pay payroll?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 09/30/2008
- AMERIKA I'm a Fan of AMERIKA 14 fans permalink

many companies are cash flow poor and need short term paper to cover expenses including payroll, which is typically the biggest expense on the financial statement

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 09/30/2008
- All in All I'm a Fan of All in All 62 fans permalink

I hope either with or without A "Bailout-Recovery Plan" that if the Markets (Some of these Businesses) Fail
some (if not all) of the Business-People who got all of Us (Americans & Others) into this dilemma get Their Business licenses REVOKED (or something like that), at least for a few Years that is!

This Bailout-Rescue Plan wouldn't look & be so-bad if The People whom made all of these bad decisions & deals had to deal with the Blow-back of this mess, in one way are another (that wouldn't benefit Them)!

It's starting to look even more & more that most of the People Working in the White House, Senate, and Congress are out-of-touch now, " They seem to believe that re-naming this Bailout-Plan another name (Rescue-Plan) instead will change what & how the Majority of Americans think & feel about whatever this plan is & will be called if it's done......­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 09/30/2008
- zizyphus I'm a Fan of zizyphus 108 fans permalink
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The banks and lenders have proved to the world that their practices are greedy, fraudulent, and untrustworthy. Giving them a trillion bucks more to blow is not going to restore trust in our system. The system has collapsed under the weight of its own corruption, as all pyramid scams do. They made trillions on the backs, blood, and sweat of our citizens. They paid little, if any, taxes.

Our nation needs to invest in it's people and environment. Let the hedge funds and crooked banks fail and be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

We want to see some corporate heads begin to roll.

Oh, they thought they could make a nation of idiots by underfunding education to the masses. A nation of sheep - to be drugged and entertaine­d., and then be fleeced.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 09/30/2008

I am not sure I understand this, and forgive my ignorance.­..Why does a company have to rely on credit to make payroll? Shoud'nt a well run company have enough on hand from its profits to meet this most basic of business expenses? What do they do with their profits, if they have any?Does'nt a company have to have extra set aside in case there is a downturn in their business?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 09/30/2008
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 151 fans permalink
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Honestly, I think the type of business you are talking about doesn't exist. It costs several hundred thousand to start a small retail business. The business needs inventoy and employees. They need to pay rent and utilities, payroll, taxes and buy more inventory when they sell what they have. I have heard that it takes at least three years for most small businesses to show a profit. Business owners work hard, many times for little to nothing and their business could still fail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 09/30/2008
- WIpatriot I'm a Fan of WIpatriot 36 fans permalink
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Some small to mid-sized companies actually DO, especially seasonal ones. Not every one has money falling out of their pants. But the banks aren't lending to each other, because they don't trust each others' books. Would you? And this bailout helps how??

And I still keep getting WaMu offers for 1.87%APR checks gainst one of my credit cards...ho­w does THAT work??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 09/30/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

How do you expect companies to have money sitting around when they are taxed the 2nd highest corporate tax in the world. Yes, big corporations have money laying around. But money small businesses don't. You have obviously have never run a business. You may have an account receivables account that collects money that is owed. But many corporate customers have a 30 to 60 waiting period before they pay their bills. So if I have a thin profit margin and I have to wait 30 to 60 days to get my money guess what? I still have to pay my rent. I still have to pay for my equipment. I still have to pay for my supplies. I still have to pay my taxes. I still have to pay my employees. And I still have to pay myself. Try running a small business some time. Then you will see how all the taxes and hoops provided by Democrats make running a small business very difficult.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 09/30/2008

Look at some of the stocks in the after hour trading. A ton of them are falling again. I don't think this is actually a rebound but is more of speculators making money off of average joe's trying to make a quick buck on the upswing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 09/30/2008
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Speculators have run this economy into the ground over the years and they are just rubbing it in with their heels at this point.

The mess has been made and it is all hitting the fan and there is no real "plan" at this point. It's simply political posturing on all sides.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 09/30/2008
- WIpatriot I'm a Fan of WIpatriot 36 fans permalink
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Yeah, there is a PLAN...it'­s to steal more of the suckers, er, citizens' money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 09/30/2008
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Regarding the following statement:
"...the main worry for traders is that a lack of a plan will make it nearly impossible for some companies to fund basic operations like making payroll."

T or F: Traders, sincerely, are concerned that if there is no bailout plan, then, 'average joe' on the company payroll will not get paid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 09/30/2008
- PepeLepew I'm a Fan of PepeLepew 297 fans permalink
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I don't think a market down 777 points one day, up 485 the next is a sign of a healthy economy. It's a sign of an unstable, erratic, jittery market ... because of a weak economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 09/30/2008
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 151 fans permalink
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I think you are right. I heard Paul Krugman, Suzi Ormond and Ben Stein all tell people that they shouldn't be investing in stocks right now unless they have a lot of time to recoup any losses. Ben Stein said he'd probably buy stock for his 21 year old son since he had time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 09/30/2008
- WIpatriot I'm a Fan of WIpatriot 36 fans permalink
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And to that I have been saying "wobba-wob­ba-wobba."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 09/30/2008

The price is all artificial, the money is still dancing on more precipices. Stocks should be priced already WAY below where they have gone, especially since the entire financial sector is down the drain, other stocks are irrationally holding up well to make the index 10k not 5k.
The Fed, Treasury, and friends are propping it up, the pros will get out quietly before the real market panic sets in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 09/30/2008
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struggling "bargain hunters" : Wall Street :: struggling American consumers : Goodwill stores

profit vs. need.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 09/30/2008
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