Senate passes $700B rescue; House votes lured

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS and CHARLES BABINGTON | October 1, 2008 11:52 PM EST | AP

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Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., pauses during a news conference on the passage of the Senate version of the bailout package on Capitol Hill Wednesday, Oct. 1, 2008 in Washington. From left, Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., Reid, Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., and Senate Minority Leader, Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — After one spectacular failure, the $700 billion financial industry bailout found a second life Wednesday, winning lopsided passage in the Senate and gaining ground in the House, where Republicans opposition softened.

Senators loaded the economic rescue bill with tax breaks and other sweeteners before passing it by a wide margin, 74-25, a month before the presidential and congressional elections.

In the House, leaders were working feverishly to convert enough opponents of the bill to push it through by Friday, just days after lawmakers there stunningly rejected an earlier version and sent markets plunging around the globe.

The measure didn't cause the same uproar in the Senate, where both parties' presidential candidates, Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama, made rare appearances to cast "aye" votes, as did Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.

In the final vote, 39 Democrats, 34 Republicans and independent Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut voted "yes." Nine Democrats, 15 Republicans and independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont voted "no."

President Bush issued a statement praising the Senate's move. With the revisions, Bush said, "I believe members of both parties in the House can support this legislation. The American people expect and our economy demands that the House pass this good bill this week and send it to my desk."

The rescue package lets the government spend billions of dollars to buy bad mortgage-related securities and other devalued assets held by troubled financial institutions. If successful, advocates say, that would allow frozen credit to begin flowing again and prevent a deep recession.

Even as the Senate voted, House leaders were hunting for the 12 votes they would need to turn around Monday's 228-205 defeat. They were especially targeting the 133 Republicans who voted "no."

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Their opposition appeared to be easing after the Senate added $110 billion in tax breaks for businesses and the middle class, plus a provision to raise, from $100,000 to $250,000, the cap on federal deposit insurance.

They were also cheering a decision Tuesday by the Securities and Exchange Commission to ease rules that force companies to devalue assets on their balance sheets to reflect the price they can get on the market.

There were worries, though, that the tax breaks would cause some conservative-leaning "Blue Dog" Democrats who voted for the rescue Monday to abandon it. The bill doesn't designate a way to pay for many of the tax cuts, and Blue Dogs typically oppose any measure that swells the deficit.

"I'm concerned about that," said Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md., the majority leader.

Raising the deposit insurance limit _ along with the SEC's accounting change _ helped House Republicans claim credit for some substantive changes. And with constituent feedback changing dramatically since Monday's shocking House defeat and the corresponding market plunge, lawmakers' comfort level with the package increased markedly.

Rep. John Shadegg, R-Ariz., who voted "no" on Monday, said he was leaning toward switching, and Rep. Steve LaTourette,R-Ohio, said he was "getting there." Several others were weighing a flip, said Republican officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the lawmakers had not yet announced how they would vote.

Leaders in both parties, as well as private economic chiefs everywhere, said Congress must quickly approve some version of the bailout measure to start loans flowing and stave off a potential national economic disaster.

"This is what we need to do right now to prevent the possibility of a crisis turning into a catastrophe," Obama said on the Senate floor. In Missouri, before flying to Washington to vote, McCain said, "If we fail to act, the gears of our economy will grind to a halt."

Critics on the right and left assailed the rescue plan, which has been panned by their constituents as a giveaway for Wall Street, and has little obvious direct benefit for ordinary Americans.

Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., a leading conservative, said the step was "leading us into the pit of socialism."

Sanders, a self-described socialist, said the rescue was fundamentally unfair.

"The masters of the universe, those brilliant Wall Street insiders who have made more money than the average American can even dream of, have brought our financial system to the brink of collapse," Sanders said, and are demanding that the middle class "pick up the pieces that they broke."

Still, proponents argued that the financial sector's woes were already being felt by ordinary people in the form of unaffordable credit and underperforming retirement savings and without the bailout would soon translate into even more economic pain for working Americans, including more job losses.

"There will be no balloons or bunting or parades," when the rescue becomes law, said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., the Banking Committee chairman. But lawmakers will have "the knowledge that at one of our nation's moments of maximum economic peril, we acted _ not for the benefit of a particular few, but for all Americans."

Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., said the intense, at times contentious, 11-day round of bipartisan talks to craft the bailout _ which followed dire warnings of impending economic meltdown from Bush's economic chiefs to congressional leaders _ was an "extraordinary experience."

"This is the way government's supposed to work, folks, and it did," Gregg said.

The Senate specializes in high-stakes legislating by enticement, and the long list of sweeteners it added was designed to attract votes from various constituencies.

In addition to extending several tax breaks popular with businesses, the bill would keep the alternative minimum tax from hitting 20 million middle-income Americans and provide $8 billion in tax relief for those hit by natural disasters in the Midwest, Texas and Louisiana.

Tax cuts new and old are favorites for most House Republicans. Help for rural schools was aimed mainly at lawmakers in the West, while disaster aid was a top priority for lawmakers from across the Midwest and South.

Another addition, to extend the deductibility of state and local taxes for people in states without income taxes, helps Florida and Texas, among others.

Increasing the deposit insurance cap was a bid to reassure individuals and small businesses that their money would be safe if their banks collapsed. It was particularly geared toward small banks that fear customers will pull their money and park it in larger institutions seen as less likely to fold.

The FDIC would be allowed to borrow unlimited money from the Treasury Department through the end of next year as a way to cover the increased insurance limit. If used, it would be the first time the agency has tapped Treasury for a loan since the early 1990s.

The rescue bill hitched a ride on a popular measure that gives people with mental illness better health insurance coverage. Before passing it, senators voted by an identical 74-25 margin to attach the massive bailout and the tax breaks.

(This version corrects vote breakdown of yes votes to 39 Democrats, 34 Republicans and one Independent.)

WASHINGTON — After one spectacular failure, the $700 billion financial industry bailout found a second life Wednesday, winning lopsided passage in the Senate and gaining ground in the House, whe...
WASHINGTON — After one spectacular failure, the $700 billion financial industry bailout found a second life Wednesday, winning lopsided passage in the Senate and gaining ground in the House, whe...
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- scared4ALL I'm a Fan of scared4ALL 10 fans permalink

Open Letter to Media, Obama & McCain:

No Bailout/Band-Aid.

Google "Michael Moore's plan"

Google "Ron Paul and Bob Barr on bailout."

Please don't allow middle-class to be buried any deeper.

There's a better way.

A Band-Aid now will insure we suffer much more and longer later.

There's much we could do if you'd listen to the people.

Like make churches, instead of government, responsible for welfare of poor in their vicinities and surrounding areas where clergy may lack.

Many made their voices heard already, wanting to back their candidate and are willing to give up their 501 (c) tax exemption.

That's a lot of money.

Downsizing DC by eliminating positions that milk our economy is necessary.

Citizen committees could be formed to oversee much. Could be voluntary, rotating and unpaid positions to insure honesty with just reasonable expenses paid.

Please help save "US" before it's too late.

Ignorance will be no excuse later because many of "US" are telling you!

Sincerely:
A Terrified Citizen (Especially for our children)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 10/02/2008
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 13 fans permalink

Congress seams bent on bailing out the fat cats and the little guys are screaming "no fair".

We are going to get top-down no matter what.
Might be a bottom-up sop to give some cover.
How about helping out the middle too?
I am no expert, but finding a way to help at all levels seems like a no brainer.

Top:
there would be a bail out for the banks paid for by a stock transfer tax. two and a half percent per transaction. Oh, no! it would stifle initiative! Good, the kind of initiative we've been seeing needs to be smothered and buried in a shallow grave.

Middle:
Do you remember how things are supposed to work when there is a natural disaster? The SBA comes in with low interest loans for the victims? Something like that with a definite bias towards manufacturing and job creation (under, of course the umbrella of job creation). Making things, real things that you can hold in your hand or load on a flatbed, is the only way to create wealth. Flipping paper just siphons all the wealth to the top and does not create any.

Bottom:
Freeze foreclosures. Renegotiate mortgages for all threatened owner occupied residences. Some stupid or venial people will benefit, sure, but I'd rather help the jerk who lives down the street than the jerk who summers in the Hamptons.

Oh, and that 1933 banking law that the Repubs repealed in 1999 needs to be reinstated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 10/02/2008

I seen on MSNBC's Morning Joe this morning that their were some pork barrel spending added to the bill. McCain was questioned about that and why did he vote for the bill. If I have heard it once I have heard it a hundred times McCain I will veto every bill that comes before me with pork barrel spending attached and make the ones famous for getting pork barrel spending attached to the bill. If I was Joe I would of asked McCain start now, tell us the Senator's that got millionsof dollars, of unnecessary spending and tax cuts for Corporations to this bill?

My guess is it must of been his republican friends that got the pork barrel spending attached to the bill, and that s why we didnot here about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 10/02/2008
- kidshare I'm a Fan of kidshare 2 fans permalink

Look at the pork and you decide who wanted this included in the 451-page PIG FOOD

A few of the earmarks stuffed in the bill:

- Film and Television Productions (Sec. 502)
- Wooden Arrows designed for use by children (Sec. 503)
- 6 page package of earmarks for litigants in the 1989 Exxon Valdez incident, Alaska (Sec. 504)

Tax earmark “extenders” in the bailout bill.
- Virgin Island and Puerto Rican Rum (Section 308)
- American Samoa (Sec. 309)
- Mine Rescue Teams (Sec. 310)
- Mine Safety Equipment (Sec. 311)
- Domestic Production Activities in Puerto Rico (Sec. 312)
- Indian Tribes (Sec. 314, 315)
- Railroads (Sec. 316)
- Auto Racing Tracks (317)
- District of Columbia (Sec. 322)
- Wool Research (Sec. 325)

You can read (or scan over in a few minutes like the Senators did) the entire bill here:
http://senateconservatives.com/2008/10/01/text-of-wall-street-bailout/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 10/02/2008
- Graywolf48 I'm a Fan of Graywolf48 77 fans permalink
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A friend got their JC Penney bill today. They carry a balance. They've been a Penney's customer for 20+ years. A 10 page flier of small print was included along with an announcement her credit limit has been increased. The small print: new standard interest rate 22.85% on existing and future balances. Interest is now compounded DAILY and not monthly on the entire balance including unpaid charges and finance charges. Grace period reduced. If she misses a payment her rate will go to 26.99% along with the late fee of $39. If she doesn't agree to these changes she must say so in writing within 30 days and surrender her card. Now, if the Bailout Bill is passed and the credit markets are freed up, will all these changes be rescinded? I don't think so. JC Penney credit it through GE Bank. The banks are out of control and in serious need of regulation to protect the consumer. These kinds of credit terms should be illegal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 10/02/2008
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 13 fans permalink

It used to be that 20% was usury

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 10/02/2008
- l.blissett I'm a Fan of l.blissett 5 fans permalink

on behalf of everyone who currently has outstanding credit, thanks for sharing this graywolf.

anyone with an existing balance on a loan should read the fine print that comes with the next statement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 10/02/2008
- mtflyer I'm a Fan of mtflyer 8 fans permalink

I am a Penney's cardholder & ticked about this too. I'll be paying them off as soon as I can. This is another unregulated area thanks to our idiots in Congress-both the Republicans who engineered it and their Democrat accomplices.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 10/02/2008
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It was a little weird to hear Harry Reid after the vote, characterizing it as a choice between what is easy and what is right. Weird because that's almost a literal quote from "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire," with Headmaster Dumbledore delivering a memorial to Cedric Diggory, the latest victim of Voldemort. Wonder if the parallel can be extended? Reagan as Voldie? Palin as Umbridge?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 10/02/2008
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 13 fans permalink

Never read Potter (not my style)

Every parent worth a damn has said it in some form at some point.

The first time I can recall hearing that quote was from my father in about 1975 so I very much doubt that Reid was quoting Rowling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 10/02/2008

The Paulson Bail Out Plan will allow foreign private banks to dump toxic assets on the US taxpayer via domestic subsidiaries - AND, as written, require us to bail out foreign central banks and sovereign wealth funds from Asia and the Middle East:

SEC. 112.
COORDINATION WITH FOREIGN AUTHORITIES
AND CENTRAL BANKS.
The Secretary shall coordinate, as appropriate, with
foreign financial authorities and central banks to work to
ward the establishment of similar programs by such au
thorities and central banks. To the extent that such for
eign financial authorities or banks hold troubled assets as
a result of extending financing to financial institutions
that have failed or defaulted on such financing, such trou
bled assets qualify for purchase under section 101

Under this provision, the Treasury Secretary can encourage foreign central banks to create their own versions of the TARP program. Europe is already considering their own TARP.

Yet, Section 112 allows the Treasury to backstop foreign TARPs - we'll be backing up not just foreign private banks, but foreign central banks and every entity they choose to backstop.

'Foreign financial authority' can include the many foreign sovereign wealth funds throughout the Middle East. Any fund that acquired a U.S. stock offering could tender into TARP should the stock fail to pay dividends.

The potential cost of the plan is actually limitless - $700 billion is simply a limit on how much can be spent at any given time, like the debt limit on the national debt. It must

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 10/02/2008

We need to take back this country. We need to organize petitions in every district asking for resignations from Congress. Their thieving and look the otherway additude is part of the reason for this mess. They want American opinions. Have you tried e-mail? Don't work! Tried calling? BUSY! NO ANSWER! How convenient. I think we need not a million man march in Washington, how about 20 million, women and children included, petitions in hand! GET OUT NOW! This country was founded and fought for over freedom & taxes. The Boston Tea party mean anything to you? That's what we need now, a Boston Tea Party! We are great at writing & discussion, but action is needed immediately. The only thing Dah BOOB(BUSH) was right about, that we are in a crisis. You are about to watch the rich fatcats and their congressional thieving buddies take everything you have left, and here we all sit and blog.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 10/02/2008
- l.blissett I'm a Fan of l.blissett 5 fans permalink

understand your frustration 53.

perhaps this might a more efficient and effective use of that energy right now?
(the concept more than the website)

http://www.throwthemout.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 10/02/2008
- NicoleAnon I'm a Fan of NicoleAnon 9 fans permalink

I don't get it - according to members of congress they have been getting lots of calls from people supporting the bailout yet I haven't been able to get through to anyone. How did all those people who "support" the bailout get through when nobody else can?

Of course the media doesn't question anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 10/02/2008
- mtflyer I'm a Fan of mtflyer 8 fans permalink

So right about a March on Washington! Unfortunately with the mindset of the misdaministration, we would be treated like the demonstrators in Minneapolis and have the stormtroopers attacking us (maybe even the national guard). Having lived with the civil unrest of the 1960's when people cared enough to take action I have to wonder if in this spoiled baby boomer society most of them haven't gone over to the dark side and are the problem rather than the solution.
Isn't it interesting too that this mess has distracted everyone from the illegal war in Iraq? I guess we are just supposed to forget about over 4000 of your best who have died needlessly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 10/02/2008
- rwe2late I'm a Fan of rwe2late 26 fans permalink

Taxation without Representation

That is what this will be,

If the House passes the bailout despite the public outrage,
without hearings,
without debate,
without due consideration of alternative proposals,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 10/02/2008
- kidshare I'm a Fan of kidshare 2 fans permalink

I hope the bill goes down in flames

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 10/02/2008
- mtflyer I'm a Fan of mtflyer 8 fans permalink

along with those who thought it up and support it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 10/02/2008
- Bobleblah1 I'm a Fan of Bobleblah1 21 fans permalink

This Bill is Criminal Treason against the people and constitution of the united states.

www.infowars.com

The ALEX JONES SHOW

Wake up and avoid slavery

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 10/02/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 374 fans permalink
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Check the house vote. If your representative voted "yes" call them and ask them to switch their vote. If they voted "no" tell them to stand firm.

I wish everyone would understand how important this is. Meanwhile, nearly the entire main page here at HuffPost is about Palin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 10/02/2008

Yes Carol, we can still defeat this thing!

Here is a great article by Larissa Alexandrovna, slamming the whole process.
As for Huffpo all over Palin, it is very disappointing by not surprising.
Given the way they sell the Obama brand, this whole Wall street bailout/armed robbery thing is quite embarrassing. By standing with Bush McCain Pelosi and other scum, Obama is on the wrong side of this. He is lined up against we the people.
Better to focus on Palin's bad breath or whatever shines and distracts.

http://www.atlargely.com/2008/10/now-what.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 10/02/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 374 fans permalink
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Gotcha (journalism).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 10/02/2008
- rwe2late I'm a Fan of rwe2late 26 fans permalink

I have often complained about Huffpost's frequent very poor selection of headlines, to no avail.

The issue is not merely about money.

A basic principle of democracy is under assault.

Does the government have the right to impose admittedly faulty, major economic programs,
with long term consequences, with no certainty of outcome,
without hearings, without debate, without consideration of alternatives,
despite widespread opposition from both the public and many economic experts ???

Is this not tyranny ?

Is this all not presciently described by Naomi Klein, in her book the SHOCK DOCTRINE ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 10/02/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 374 fans permalink
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Yes this is tyranny. Yes Naomi was right. Yes we have to stand up for ourselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 10/02/2008
- mtflyer I'm a Fan of mtflyer 8 fans permalink

It's been done before-in Germany. The reichstag Fire, the runaway hyperinflation, violating a constitution (Weimar), using scare tactics, violating people's privacy, invading territory without cause (Rhineland), occupying another country to restore order (Austria). The neocons who have put us in this mess over the past eight years have had a good playbook to follow. And they did it by giving one man the ability to be "the decider". We all know who that was and if we don't see the parallels we are out of luck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 10/02/2008
- Anciano I'm a Fan of Anciano 17 fans permalink
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Everyone needs to be aware that this $700 BILLION is a REVOLVING facility. That means that they can spend way more and are not limited to only $700 billion. How it might work: They buy the dog assets and sell them for a loss. Then the next day, they buy another batch up to the $700 billion limit. Repeat ad infinitum until the taxpayer has paid for all the junk on the banks books. So the real cost of this bill will likely be nearer the $5 TRILLION number that has been bandied about lately.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 10/02/2008
- Pupster I'm a Fan of Pupster 12 fans permalink

That's actually not how it's going to work, but it's true that the bill could be bigger or smaller. Though it's not going to be $5 trillion. Who is bandying about that number?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 10/02/2008
- rwe2late I'm a Fan of rwe2late 26 fans permalink

‘The point is, that Paulson's calculations were not assisted by any economists at all, and they cannot be trusted. It is a purely arbitrary, "back of the envelope" type figuring. According to Bloomberg: Swiss investor Marc Faber, known for a long track record of good calls, believes the damage may come to $5 trillion:
"Marc Faber, managing director of Marc Faber Ltd. in Hong Kong, said the U.S. government's rescue package for the financial system may require as much as $5 trillion, seven times the amount Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has requested.­...
"The $700 billion is really nothing,'' Faber said in a television interview. "The Treasury is just giving out this figure when the end figure may be $5 trillion.'­'

Most people who follow these matters would trust Faber's assessment way over Paulson's. In his latest blog entry, economist Nouriel Roubini said that "no professional economist was consulted by Congress or invited to present his/her views at the Congressional hearings on the Treasury rescue plan." ‘
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Archives2008/WhitneyDetonationSeptember29.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 10/02/2008
- booboo111 I'm a Fan of booboo111 78 fans permalink
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Yea Pupster, but a couple of hundred billion here, and a couple of hundred billion there, and as Tip Oneal once said; "SOON IT'S GOING TO ADD UP TO REAL MONEY!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 10/02/2008
- Anciano I'm a Fan of Anciano 17 fans permalink
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Everybody needs to watch this clip from last Sunday's "60 Minutes" show on CBS. I would hope that you may have caught the 60 Minutes interview with Hank Paulson this last weekend wherein he was advised of the media intercepting several emails between Wall Street gurus, gloating and stating they hoped they would be rich and retired "by the time this house of cards folds" . . http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net//BreakingNews.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 10/02/2008
- Pupster I'm a Fan of Pupster 12 fans permalink

The FBI is investigating all of the firms who are in trouble. Those jerks will go to jail, just like the Enron and Worldcom jerks went to jail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 10/02/2008
- booboo111 I'm a Fan of booboo111 78 fans permalink
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Again, you're living in a dream world, Pupster, no ones going to jail. Just like Grasso got to keep his hundred's of millions of dollars in severence. Well at least there be a little schadenfreude as the wealthy hedge fund investers lose their money, but the hedge fund mgr.s will still make out like bandits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 10/02/2008
- DAWK I'm a Fan of DAWK permalink

DID ANYONE 'NOTICE'..­. THE LATEST LAWMAKER MOVE TO PREVENT ANY MORE PROTEST OF THIS STUPIID 700 BILLION DOLLAR BOONDOGEL? YESTERDAY,I HAD A DIFFICULT TIME ACTUALY LOGGING ON THE NET.I GOT THIS SIGNAL 'THE LINE IS BUSY' (WAS IT BUSY FROM ALL THE MASS MILIONS PROTESTING TO LAWMAKERS VIA E MAIL?) HAS WASHINGTON /BUSH CRONIES CREATED THIS NEW TACTIC? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO OTHER METHOD OF PROTEST,SO BUSH AND HIS STOOGES DECIDED TO TURN OFF THE COMMUNICATIONS,SO IT WOULD 'LOOK' LIKE THERE WERE NO MORE 'PROTESTORS'!
FOLKS WE ARE BEING TOTALY SCEREWED! IF THIS 'NEW' BILL FOR THE RICH PASSES,WE CAN NOW REALIZE THAT NO MORE PROTESTING WILL BE TOLERATED,AND BUSH DOES-IT AGAIN,JUST LIKE THE LIES ABOUT 'TERROR,AND TRICKING LAWMAKERS-­AGAIN.....­INTO A TRILLION DOLLAR WAR,ONLY THIS TIME,THE 'TERROISTS' ARE AMERICAN MARKET CROOKS,NOW PROTECTED-NOT PROSECUTED FOR TERROR FINANCIAL CRIMES THE LIKES OF NO REAL TERROIST COULD MUSTER; THAT BEING THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR FINANCIAL MARKETS AND THE ROBBERY OF TAX PAYER MONIES,GOING TO THESE CROOKS AND THE RICH( YEA-250- GRAND INSURED FOR THE RICH ONLY-OBVIOUSLY)AND THEYUSE THIS FOR THE EXCUSE TO PASS THIS MONSTER RIP-OFF!!
SARKOZY IS RIGHT-ON WHEN HE SAYS 'PROSECUTE ARREST' THE FINANCIAL TERROISTS! I'D AGREE,WHYNOT USE THE 'PATRIOT' ACT SINCE THESE 'ENEMY COMBATANT-FINANCIAL CROOKS' (CAN YOU SAY 'DERIVITIVES' IN THE TRILLIONS NOW WORTHLESS) ARE BALANTLY-GUILTY OF THE WORST KIND OF TERROR,THAT-BE FINANCIAL FRAUD!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 10/02/2008
- mtflyer I'm a Fan of mtflyer 8 fans permalink

You are absolutely right! If this thing passes, our financial situation will be so out of control that Bin Laden will have what he wanted-the financial destruction of America, using our own gullibility and herd mentality to accomplish what terror attacks did not. This is a type of terror that reaches into every household (for those who will still have their house) and not something that hits someone else. As far as raising the FDIC coverage-NO WAY! When the hell will the everage family ever have that kind of cash stashed away! $250K means YOU ARE RICH! Here again this thing is designed to help the rich. LOL to the millions working minimum wage to save anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 10/02/2008

Senators that refused to listen to the American people, and supported the bailout plan should be voted out of office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 10/02/2008
- missusam I'm a Fan of missusam 8 fans permalink
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I plan on voting against all incumbents that voted for this bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 10/02/2008
- Delle I'm a Fan of Delle 2 fans permalink

But Obama voted for it.

So did McCain for that matter.

Leaves us little choice, doesn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 10/02/2008
- Pdubya I'm a Fan of Pdubya 44 fans permalink

agreed. but, their very lives are being threatened by the people and the puppet masters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 10/02/2008

We have a Representative Democracy, not a direct Democracy. I think these people who reside in the House and Senate understand the situation much better than the average person does.

Not that people's opposition is meaningless, and people have every right to vote for or against their incumbent congressment and women for any reason they want. But opposition has waned a bit, expecially after that nearly 800 pt drop off on Monday. This situation sucks and something has to be done. Is this the right thing, I don't really know. But the cost of doing nothing could be catastrophic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 10/02/2008
- mtflyer I'm a Fan of mtflyer 8 fans permalink

If my two senators from West by God Virginia voted for it, they will never get another vote from me.Same in the House . Members of Congress have been riding the gravy train for so long they have forgotten where they came from and who they are supposed to be working for-the American people. They are out of touch with reality. It is a shame we can't vote them ALL out of office and start fresh. At least in Britain when they have had enough of an official (usually the PM) they can give a vote of no confidence and replace them. We make a mistake we are suck with them for their term because no one (notably Nancy Pelosi) has the guts to call for impeachment!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 10/02/2008

So what do you want them to do nothing and then when we are in a great depression you can whine and cry about how nobody did anything?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 10/02/2008
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There is no guarantee that this will prevent anything. Most analysts are saying this is a temporary fix and by delaying the inevitable will make it worse. There may be other alternatives.

Where is the 700 bil coming from?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 10/02/2008
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You mean where is the 800+ billion coming from?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 10/02/2008
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