Senate passes $700B rescue; House votes lured

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS and CHARLES BABINGTON | October 1, 2008 11:52 PM EST | AP

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Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., pauses during a news conference on the passage of the Senate version of the bailout package on Capitol Hill Wednesday, Oct. 1, 2008 in Washington. From left, Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., Reid, Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., and Senate Minority Leader, Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — After one spectacular failure, the $700 billion financial industry bailout found a second life Wednesday, winning lopsided passage in the Senate and gaining ground in the House, where Republicans opposition softened.

Senators loaded the economic rescue bill with tax breaks and other sweeteners before passing it by a wide margin, 74-25, a month before the presidential and congressional elections.

In the House, leaders were working feverishly to convert enough opponents of the bill to push it through by Friday, just days after lawmakers there stunningly rejected an earlier version and sent markets plunging around the globe.

The measure didn't cause the same uproar in the Senate, where both parties' presidential candidates, Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama, made rare appearances to cast "aye" votes, as did Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.

In the final vote, 39 Democrats, 34 Republicans and independent Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut voted "yes." Nine Democrats, 15 Republicans and independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont voted "no."

President Bush issued a statement praising the Senate's move. With the revisions, Bush said, "I believe members of both parties in the House can support this legislation. The American people expect and our economy demands that the House pass this good bill this week and send it to my desk."

The rescue package lets the government spend billions of dollars to buy bad mortgage-related securities and other devalued assets held by troubled financial institutions. If successful, advocates say, that would allow frozen credit to begin flowing again and prevent a deep recession.

Even as the Senate voted, House leaders were hunting for the 12 votes they would need to turn around Monday's 228-205 defeat. They were especially targeting the 133 Republicans who voted "no."

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Their opposition appeared to be easing after the Senate added $110 billion in tax breaks for businesses and the middle class, plus a provision to raise, from $100,000 to $250,000, the cap on federal deposit insurance.

They were also cheering a decision Tuesday by the Securities and Exchange Commission to ease rules that force companies to devalue assets on their balance sheets to reflect the price they can get on the market.

There were worries, though, that the tax breaks would cause some conservative-leaning "Blue Dog" Democrats who voted for the rescue Monday to abandon it. The bill doesn't designate a way to pay for many of the tax cuts, and Blue Dogs typically oppose any measure that swells the deficit.

"I'm concerned about that," said Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md., the majority leader.

Raising the deposit insurance limit _ along with the SEC's accounting change _ helped House Republicans claim credit for some substantive changes. And with constituent feedback changing dramatically since Monday's shocking House defeat and the corresponding market plunge, lawmakers' comfort level with the package increased markedly.

Rep. John Shadegg, R-Ariz., who voted "no" on Monday, said he was leaning toward switching, and Rep. Steve LaTourette,R-Ohio, said he was "getting there." Several others were weighing a flip, said Republican officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the lawmakers had not yet announced how they would vote.

Leaders in both parties, as well as private economic chiefs everywhere, said Congress must quickly approve some version of the bailout measure to start loans flowing and stave off a potential national economic disaster.

"This is what we need to do right now to prevent the possibility of a crisis turning into a catastrophe," Obama said on the Senate floor. In Missouri, before flying to Washington to vote, McCain said, "If we fail to act, the gears of our economy will grind to a halt."

Critics on the right and left assailed the rescue plan, which has been panned by their constituents as a giveaway for Wall Street, and has little obvious direct benefit for ordinary Americans.

Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., a leading conservative, said the step was "leading us into the pit of socialism."

Sanders, a self-described socialist, said the rescue was fundamentally unfair.

"The masters of the universe, those brilliant Wall Street insiders who have made more money than the average American can even dream of, have brought our financial system to the brink of collapse," Sanders said, and are demanding that the middle class "pick up the pieces that they broke."

Still, proponents argued that the financial sector's woes were already being felt by ordinary people in the form of unaffordable credit and underperforming retirement savings and without the bailout would soon translate into even more economic pain for working Americans, including more job losses.

"There will be no balloons or bunting or parades," when the rescue becomes law, said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., the Banking Committee chairman. But lawmakers will have "the knowledge that at one of our nation's moments of maximum economic peril, we acted _ not for the benefit of a particular few, but for all Americans."

Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., said the intense, at times contentious, 11-day round of bipartisan talks to craft the bailout _ which followed dire warnings of impending economic meltdown from Bush's economic chiefs to congressional leaders _ was an "extraordinary experience."

"This is the way government's supposed to work, folks, and it did," Gregg said.

The Senate specializes in high-stakes legislating by enticement, and the long list of sweeteners it added was designed to attract votes from various constituencies.

In addition to extending several tax breaks popular with businesses, the bill would keep the alternative minimum tax from hitting 20 million middle-income Americans and provide $8 billion in tax relief for those hit by natural disasters in the Midwest, Texas and Louisiana.

Tax cuts new and old are favorites for most House Republicans. Help for rural schools was aimed mainly at lawmakers in the West, while disaster aid was a top priority for lawmakers from across the Midwest and South.

Another addition, to extend the deductibility of state and local taxes for people in states without income taxes, helps Florida and Texas, among others.

Increasing the deposit insurance cap was a bid to reassure individuals and small businesses that their money would be safe if their banks collapsed. It was particularly geared toward small banks that fear customers will pull their money and park it in larger institutions seen as less likely to fold.

The FDIC would be allowed to borrow unlimited money from the Treasury Department through the end of next year as a way to cover the increased insurance limit. If used, it would be the first time the agency has tapped Treasury for a loan since the early 1990s.

The rescue bill hitched a ride on a popular measure that gives people with mental illness better health insurance coverage. Before passing it, senators voted by an identical 74-25 margin to attach the massive bailout and the tax breaks.

(This version corrects vote breakdown of yes votes to 39 Democrats, 34 Republicans and one Independent.)

WASHINGTON — After one spectacular failure, the $700 billion financial industry bailout found a second life Wednesday, winning lopsided passage in the Senate and gaining ground in the House, whe...
WASHINGTON — After one spectacular failure, the $700 billion financial industry bailout found a second life Wednesday, winning lopsided passage in the Senate and gaining ground in the House, whe...
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- missusam I'm a Fan of missusam 8 fans permalink
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Here is a blog from an investment advisor. If you have time, read thru her website.

10 reasons to say no

http://solari.com/blog/?p=1646

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 10/02/2008
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A FORMULA FOR FAILURE-REVERSE ECONOMIC STIMULUS
Earlier this year Uncle Sam decided to stimulate the economy by sending taxpayers a check of up to $1,200.00.
Now Uncle Sam wants taxpayers to send him up to $12,000.00­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 10/02/2008
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Good point barriosbabe. Bad enough they're raiding our children's future; they're also placing Washington bureaucrats in the heart of the economy. Hands up anyone who thinks that's going to work.

I still can't believe how no one is listening to the American people. This is criminal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 10/02/2008
- Pupster I'm a Fan of Pupster 12 fans permalink

They are listening. More than 80% of the public want them to do something. Is this the answer? None of us know, but at least they are trying.

Keep in mind that the Great Depression started with a Wall Street crisis and the President at the time did nothing. When FDR got voted in and tried to institute the New Deal, his critics accused him of socialism and putting the country in debt.

We must do something. Nothing is not an alternative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 10/02/2008
- rbspickles I'm a Fan of rbspickles 9 fans permalink

Oh really? How about if the Pentagon found that 2.3 TRILLION missing dollars reported when.....o­h yeah, Sept 10, 2001. How about the Fed stop printing money like candy and keeping the dollar's worth a little stronger? How about pulling our troops out of 90% of our current bases, bring them home, including Iraq, saving billions. How about the billionaires, millionaires of Wall Street pay for their mess on their own by turning in all their money and assets to the Wall Street firms. I mean, that's what they are asking us to do isn't it? They broke it, they buy it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 10/02/2008

You know had Obama voted against the bill and then the economy went to hell he would not win the election. What i find amusing is how many times Mcain has said with him there will be no more earmarks or pork spending. They added 150 billion in pork to get REPUBLICANS to vote for it, and then johnny boy voted yes!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 10/02/2008
- bobsmith I'm a Fan of bobsmith 8 fans permalink

"You know had Obama voted against the bill and then the economy went to hell he would not win the election."

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Bull! The economy is going to he// anyway, and everybody knows it. All he did was add to the problem and secure his Republican-lite credentials. He's a sell-out in the mold of Joe Lieberman. Once again we're faced with the choice of the lesser of two evils.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 10/02/2008
- rwe2late I'm a Fan of rwe2late 22 fans permalink

bobsmith
or
is it the evil of two lessers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 10/02/2008

Will the drama queen express suspend its campaign to entice House Republicans to support this pork laden sausage that McCain voted for?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 10/02/2008
- barriosbabe I'm a Fan of barriosbabe 240 fans permalink
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Did anybody else see them in the Senate queuing up to vote including Clinton, Obama and all of them - and as they passed each other, lots of back slapping. Actual back slapping. I got nauseated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 10/02/2008
- barriosbabe I'm a Fan of barriosbabe 240 fans permalink
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I am deeply discouraged at how little anybody is talking about the number one stinky cheese problem with this bill: too much power transfered from congress (yeah, they're bad but at least we can watch a good deal of what they do) to one multimillionaire with severe conflicts problems inside the executive branch.

Does anybody agree with this concern?

Or should I just go some off the grid co-housing group.

a very sad BB

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 10/02/2008
- mtflyer I'm a Fan of mtflyer 8 fans permalink

I AGREE WITH YOU! It is a marriage made in hell between business and government that has been going on forever-it's just now obvious to everyone who cares about our country! We have not learned anything from history. In 1934 the German parliament voluntarily turned its powers over to one man with no strings attached and look what happened! If the cowards in Congress do this they should ALL be voted out of office. If stupidy was capital offense, most would be on death row already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 10/02/2008
- ptarantino I'm a Fan of ptarantino 8 fans permalink

This bill is not the answer & they ADDED $150 more Billion of pork. Call you're Congressman & say NO, that's the only chance this Country has of saving itself~

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 10/02/2008
- Pupster I'm a Fan of Pupster 12 fans permalink

I support the bailout, but I'm absolutely disgusted by the added pork. No matter that the country is about to implode, they can't help themselves by padding for dollars. Is it any wonder that the public is full of contempt for Congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 10/02/2008

This Pork is insane!
Puerto Rican Rum, Racetracks, Wool research!? Were there any tax cuts for alternative energy research? Yeah baby! Lets get liquored up on rum and head to the races. Car racing is such an efficient use of fossil fuel. As far as the wool research goes, I thought they were doing a good enough job of fleecing us as it is.
So much of this crap really does stink.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 10/02/2008

This "Crisis" is going into its second week and I still see business as usual in my neighborhood. All the mom and pop stores are there, gas stations have gas. and there has not been a run on the banks or the grocery stores. This is a manufactured crisis. We should all say no to this 700 Billion dollar bailout, cut off aid around the world, stop all social programs and pay off this debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 10/02/2008
- Pupster I'm a Fan of Pupster 12 fans permalink

Sorry, but it's not. It starts at the commercial level but is making its way to Main Street. Look at recent stories about McDonald's franchisees, the automakers, state and local government budgets etc.

I'd tell you to look at Libor, if you had the curiosity to look.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 10/02/2008

There never was a crisis, at least not of the description this bill supposedly addresses.
What makes you think the perps of this campaign, who've arbitrarily decided $700B was a number worth going to this unprecedented level of exposure of this country's well-entrenched government corruption, couldn't manufacture a credit crisis? They could, so they did. It definitely walks and quacks like a duck.
The Financial Industry are the ones holding the pursestrings, very easily used as puppet strings. Controlling credit is what they do. It was no problem at all for them to arbitrarily cut off credit across the board for the local institutions, and allow (or order?) the Senators to point to the carnage they saw in their home states last weekend, as proof of a crisis.
I am now convinced they've been doing it almost since we had a government, though the Andrew Jackson quote circulating on the web makes me wonder exactly when we were sold out.
Why do we assume this particular crisis is "legitimate" and not manufactured? Because we know how desperately this corruption has screwed up the economy, and are sheepishly in deep denial of just how frighteningly corrupt, greedy, and amoral the government and business have become.
No. We need to do something, and not give up - unless we want to be milked at will, now they know it works.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 10/02/2008
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yep, our local banks and credit unions still have our money because they did not participate in this outrageous magic money thing called derivatives, and as far as the sky is falling attitude about not getting a paycheck--what kind of companies function that way? who has to borrow money every payday to pay your workers? probably just brokers and bankers

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 10/02/2008

Write your reps until your blue in the face, it won't do any good. Our system is hopelessly corrupted and I believe most people here know it. Luckly for us, corrupt systems eventually destroy themselves. If you want to speed it up and you have the courage, stop paying your taxes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 10/02/2008
- NicoleAnon I'm a Fan of NicoleAnon 9 fans permalink

I tried calling a few of them but their voicemail is full - which is really strange because some of them claim they have been getting lots of calls from people who say they want them to approve the bailout but I'm not sure how they got through because I haven't been able to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 10/02/2008

What do you think would happen if Obama voted against his bill?? Yes, he would lose some votes but imagine the kind of support he would get from people all over the country. People who may never thought of voting for him will think twice and his ratings would go sky high.

There is no political benefit for voting yes on this. I can't imagine him get one extra vote for this and surely he will lose some. OBAMA = MCCAIN = BUSH, how would that benefit him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 10/02/2008
- barriosbabe I'm a Fan of barriosbabe 240 fans permalink
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He should vote and state his reasons openly as it being a suspicious Bush ploy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 10/02/2008
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 77 fans permalink
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obama is complicit i'm sorry to say: if he wants to be president so that he can go after the $250,000+ crowd for the sake of those beneath that number, he had a perfect chance just yesterday by voting NO, and he didn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 10/02/2008
- NicoleAnon I'm a Fan of NicoleAnon 9 fans permalink

Lots of people are saying the Warren Buffet supports this bailout so that MUST mean it's good.

He is NOT the person you think he is - he has more stocks in banks than anyone realizes and that is not including GS so OF COURSE he wants the bailout approved. He will LOSE BILLIONS if it is not approved.

Just STOP and THINK about his motivations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 10/02/2008
- Pupster I'm a Fan of Pupster 12 fans permalink

Warren Buffett has done more for people and society than you will do in a lifetime. Watch his Charlie Rose interview from last night.

Stop defaming this good man. You aren't fit to wipe his shoes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 10/02/2008
- NicoleAnon I'm a Fan of NicoleAnon 9 fans permalink

Do you have any proof that I'm lying - do you know for sure all the stocks he owns?

Maybe you try thinking for yourself instead of just believing the public image of people. I don't have any motivation to lie about him. I am only saying things I know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 10/02/2008
- jhallbo I'm a Fan of jhallbo 3 fans permalink
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i'm against borrowing money that I can't pay back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 10/02/2008
- Graywolf48 I'm a Fan of Graywolf48 77 fans permalink
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Here's what is NOT in this Bill that makes it unacceptable to me:
1. There are no enforcement provisions, so once they get their hands on the money, there is oversight with no enforcement teeth. That makes oversight laughable.
2. There are no penalties, fines or punishment for any executives who find a way to manipulate the "rescue" money and thereby steal it.
3. There is not one item in this Bill that forces banks or lenders to rewrite mortgages and keep people from foreclosure. What would this Bill really do to stop one foreclosure?
4. The entire Bill is toothless and means of paying back the money are only suggested. You know, "Here's $700 Billion, when things get better, if you get a chance, we'd like you to pay some of it back."
5. An overwhelming number of Economists still say this Bill may make the entire financial situation worse than it already is. No one even really knows if this will work at all to "save the economy."
6. The Senate's "revised" Bill is now laden with excessive pork, including corporate tax breaks to get the House GOP to buy into it.
Outrageous!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 10/02/2008

I would like a list of senators and congressmen that they were trying to sway with all of this pork. Let's publicize who it is that can't do the right thing for this country without a pork bribe. This is thoroughly disgusting!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 10/02/2008
- Pupster I'm a Fan of Pupster 12 fans permalink

Yes, I too would like to know who is responsible for all this pork. It's absolutely disgusting.

And they wonder why the public doesn't trust them to do what's right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 10/02/2008
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