Senate passes $700B rescue; House votes lured

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS and CHARLES BABINGTON | October 1, 2008 11:52 PM EST | AP

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Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., pauses during a news conference on the passage of the Senate version of the bailout package on Capitol Hill Wednesday, Oct. 1, 2008 in Washington. From left, Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., Reid, Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., and Senate Minority Leader, Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — After one spectacular failure, the $700 billion financial industry bailout found a second life Wednesday, winning lopsided passage in the Senate and gaining ground in the House, where Republicans opposition softened.

Senators loaded the economic rescue bill with tax breaks and other sweeteners before passing it by a wide margin, 74-25, a month before the presidential and congressional elections.

In the House, leaders were working feverishly to convert enough opponents of the bill to push it through by Friday, just days after lawmakers there stunningly rejected an earlier version and sent markets plunging around the globe.

The measure didn't cause the same uproar in the Senate, where both parties' presidential candidates, Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama, made rare appearances to cast "aye" votes, as did Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.

In the final vote, 39 Democrats, 34 Republicans and independent Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut voted "yes." Nine Democrats, 15 Republicans and independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont voted "no."

President Bush issued a statement praising the Senate's move. With the revisions, Bush said, "I believe members of both parties in the House can support this legislation. The American people expect and our economy demands that the House pass this good bill this week and send it to my desk."

The rescue package lets the government spend billions of dollars to buy bad mortgage-related securities and other devalued assets held by troubled financial institutions. If successful, advocates say, that would allow frozen credit to begin flowing again and prevent a deep recession.

Even as the Senate voted, House leaders were hunting for the 12 votes they would need to turn around Monday's 228-205 defeat. They were especially targeting the 133 Republicans who voted "no."

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Their opposition appeared to be easing after the Senate added $110 billion in tax breaks for businesses and the middle class, plus a provision to raise, from $100,000 to $250,000, the cap on federal deposit insurance.

They were also cheering a decision Tuesday by the Securities and Exchange Commission to ease rules that force companies to devalue assets on their balance sheets to reflect the price they can get on the market.

There were worries, though, that the tax breaks would cause some conservative-leaning "Blue Dog" Democrats who voted for the rescue Monday to abandon it. The bill doesn't designate a way to pay for many of the tax cuts, and Blue Dogs typically oppose any measure that swells the deficit.

"I'm concerned about that," said Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md., the majority leader.

Raising the deposit insurance limit _ along with the SEC's accounting change _ helped House Republicans claim credit for some substantive changes. And with constituent feedback changing dramatically since Monday's shocking House defeat and the corresponding market plunge, lawmakers' comfort level with the package increased markedly.

Rep. John Shadegg, R-Ariz., who voted "no" on Monday, said he was leaning toward switching, and Rep. Steve LaTourette,R-Ohio, said he was "getting there." Several others were weighing a flip, said Republican officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the lawmakers had not yet announced how they would vote.

Leaders in both parties, as well as private economic chiefs everywhere, said Congress must quickly approve some version of the bailout measure to start loans flowing and stave off a potential national economic disaster.

"This is what we need to do right now to prevent the possibility of a crisis turning into a catastrophe," Obama said on the Senate floor. In Missouri, before flying to Washington to vote, McCain said, "If we fail to act, the gears of our economy will grind to a halt."

Critics on the right and left assailed the rescue plan, which has been panned by their constituents as a giveaway for Wall Street, and has little obvious direct benefit for ordinary Americans.

Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., a leading conservative, said the step was "leading us into the pit of socialism."

Sanders, a self-described socialist, said the rescue was fundamentally unfair.

"The masters of the universe, those brilliant Wall Street insiders who have made more money than the average American can even dream of, have brought our financial system to the brink of collapse," Sanders said, and are demanding that the middle class "pick up the pieces that they broke."

Still, proponents argued that the financial sector's woes were already being felt by ordinary people in the form of unaffordable credit and underperforming retirement savings and without the bailout would soon translate into even more economic pain for working Americans, including more job losses.

"There will be no balloons or bunting or parades," when the rescue becomes law, said Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., the Banking Committee chairman. But lawmakers will have "the knowledge that at one of our nation's moments of maximum economic peril, we acted _ not for the benefit of a particular few, but for all Americans."

Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., said the intense, at times contentious, 11-day round of bipartisan talks to craft the bailout _ which followed dire warnings of impending economic meltdown from Bush's economic chiefs to congressional leaders _ was an "extraordinary experience."

"This is the way government's supposed to work, folks, and it did," Gregg said.

The Senate specializes in high-stakes legislating by enticement, and the long list of sweeteners it added was designed to attract votes from various constituencies.

In addition to extending several tax breaks popular with businesses, the bill would keep the alternative minimum tax from hitting 20 million middle-income Americans and provide $8 billion in tax relief for those hit by natural disasters in the Midwest, Texas and Louisiana.

Tax cuts new and old are favorites for most House Republicans. Help for rural schools was aimed mainly at lawmakers in the West, while disaster aid was a top priority for lawmakers from across the Midwest and South.

Another addition, to extend the deductibility of state and local taxes for people in states without income taxes, helps Florida and Texas, among others.

Increasing the deposit insurance cap was a bid to reassure individuals and small businesses that their money would be safe if their banks collapsed. It was particularly geared toward small banks that fear customers will pull their money and park it in larger institutions seen as less likely to fold.

The FDIC would be allowed to borrow unlimited money from the Treasury Department through the end of next year as a way to cover the increased insurance limit. If used, it would be the first time the agency has tapped Treasury for a loan since the early 1990s.

The rescue bill hitched a ride on a popular measure that gives people with mental illness better health insurance coverage. Before passing it, senators voted by an identical 74-25 margin to attach the massive bailout and the tax breaks.

(This version corrects vote breakdown of yes votes to 39 Democrats, 34 Republicans and one Independent.)

WASHINGTON — After one spectacular failure, the $700 billion financial industry bailout found a second life Wednesday, winning lopsided passage in the Senate and gaining ground in the House, whe...
WASHINGTON — After one spectacular failure, the $700 billion financial industry bailout found a second life Wednesday, winning lopsided passage in the Senate and gaining ground in the House, whe...
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This 700,000,000,000 dollar "rescue" plan is only a bandaid.

Like the word "conservation" we in America today can not distinguish between what we need versus what we want.

We have been living beyond our means for far too long and the bill is just starting to come due.

Over 4,000 soldiers dead in the Iraq War --- and not one single word from middle America.

Zero out the cost of the war and add that cash back in.

Would we still be in such dire financial shape?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 10/02/2008
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 77 fans permalink
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re: bailout

thanks, but no thanks.

no really!

hey stop that!!

hello? mainstreet to washington­... FOR the PEOPLE ~ BY the PEOPLE... hello? NO BAILOUT!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 10/02/2008
- Ozarks I'm a Fan of Ozarks 43 fans permalink
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One of the biggest giveaways to Wall Street is a "change" of an Accounting Rule . The change allows Firms to put a "Market Value" on subprime assets. That means they can estimate the alleged "value" of a toxic asset and replace the repossessed asset's "cost", meaning the real cost - which is probably the loan amount minus the depreciation, legal fees, mounting interest on commercial paper to cover this "asset" on banks balance sheet-- as the vacant foreclosed property sits there and rots away while being joined by an influx of more and more repossessions driving actual "cost" toward "worthless=zero" this "Market value" accounting change will allow banks to repost these foreclosed albatrosses to their "feeling" of a "market value" . In their greedy and very subjective eyes I can see balance sheets getting healthy quick while they eat up the bail out money. What a Deal!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 10/02/2008
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 77 fans permalink
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hi ozarks, sounds like just more price fixing to me! shouldn't price fixing be illegal even if, and maybe even more so if done by our own government? and doesn't it stop being ''our own'' government at that point? hmm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 10/02/2008
- Ozarks I'm a Fan of Ozarks 43 fans permalink
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By the SEC changing the "Accounting Rule" to allow Banks to post a "market value" instead of a "cost" basis, you can't call it price fixing. This is an old scam, I used to testify against regulated electric utilities before Admin Public Service Commissions as the utilities tried to change their fixed assets from a cost based "whole life" depreciation basis to a "market value" depreciation basis> Why?? It would dramatically inflate the "remaining life" $ on balance sheet from Cost less depreciation to "market value" less depreciation- If they had succeeded in getting this definition change--From then on they would get a larger rate of return on the asset and a greater depreciation expense write off. I never lost this argument in the many times they tried. SEC just rolled over big time, it is disgusting

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 10/02/2008

This bill is worse than before. By adding all these pork barrel special items it justs puts us farther into debt. This is nothing more than a CORPORATE STIMULUS PACKAGE! By turning money over to the same people responsible for this mess, we are asking for more of the same. That line sound familiar? If Citigroup can buyout Wachovia, and Warren Buffet is buying shares in Goldman Sachs costing % billion dollars, how bad do you really think the situation is? There would seem to be plenty of money out there for company buyouts. That is called free enterprise. That is what the Republican party has always stood for, deregulation. So let the companies that started this mess get bought out! The accounting changes in determining an asset's value on a balance sheet, should not be changed. A bad loan is a bad loan, no matter what you call it. This is all smoke and mirrors! This is politics at it's best. I am dissappointed either of our Presidential candidates supported this sudden MYTH. Look, even if there was no highly publicized cry for more money, the markets can choose to stop extending cash & credit at any time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 10/02/2008
- shedances I'm a Fan of shedances 40 fans permalink
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I'm relieved that the Senate is getting somewhere on this financial 'bail-out' package ... however, I can entirely understand why reps in the House voted "no" on Monday ~ esp. since we're talking about the Bush administration & the very real possibility of giving the makers of this crises way too much help without appropriate & continued oversight!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 10/02/2008
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Agreed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 10/02/2008

Then you will be glad when the Amero arrives as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 10/02/2008
- HypnoToad I'm a Fan of HypnoToad 48 fans permalink
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So it looks like Aubrey had a letter to make it to MSNBC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 10/02/2008
- dansup I'm a Fan of dansup 5 fans permalink

rum?

wooden arrows?

do I smell pork?

not to worry, McCane said we will know their names and he will make them famous.

we're waiting John......­........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 10/02/2008
- Meggie I'm a Fan of Meggie 86 fans permalink
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NONE of this was on the "dem" bill that was unpalatable to McCain and house republicans. The addition of all this is what will allow them to pass the bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 10/02/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 85 fans permalink

Good Morning People...

I just got off the phone with the Democratic National Committee. I called to voice my displeasure (understatement) at the buyout and had a moment to chat about the numbers of calls and which way they are going.

Some here have suggested a ratio of 200 calls rejecting the buyout to 1 for it.

...The ratio SHE said was; "I haven't taken a single call for the buyout - and haven't heard of one from my colleagues here either."

Well, then, "How many calls have you taken on this issue?" "I have no idea - it's been non-stop all week and every call is on the buyout." So, "How many calls do you think have been made [to the DNC] on this?" "um..." "Hundreds of thousands to millions, perhaps?" "Yes, easily, and I have no idea how many people haven't been able to get through - the phone system only tells me that there's already another waiting call from the moment I picked up yours."

...OK, so it's HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS AGAINST - to _Z_E_R_O_ .

Folks, BOTH parties are failing us, BIG TIME.

GET OUT THERE AND OVERLOAD THE PHONE SYSTEM AGAIN SEVERAL TIMES TODAY!
.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 10/02/2008

I had the same conversation with Feinstein's office...1­00 per cent against -- and she still voted for it!

The house is the peoples house and if you don't think this bailout should pass, now is the time to call and fax and email your house reps.

http://www.house.gov

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 10/02/2008
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I called Feinstein, too. I really don't like her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 10/02/2008

Knowing the vast majority of Americans are AGAINST this bill, passage of it will amound to TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!! Isn't that still a fundamental principle in America??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 10/02/2008
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Since Bradie is so openly admitting it

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/senate-passes-700b-rescue_n_131088.html?show_comment_id=16344574#comment_16344574

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 10/02/2008

Before the taxpayers are asked to hand over a huge sum of money to be spent with little oversight, I would like to see those who caused this crisis to contribute first.

We cannot let the traders and CEOs of Wallstreet pocket billions in salaries and bonuses, while asking the very same people these "financial wizards" have harmed with their risky practices give up their hard-earned money to sustain the lifestyle of the super-wealthy.

If money is needed to support the economy, then we should ask those that created this crisis to contribute first. The super-wealthy need to return a large portion of their wealth, before the taxpayer will make up any difference. It is now very obvious that the traders and CEOs never deserved their bonuses and obscenely high salaries. Asking them to return the money they unjustly received will accomplish two things: 1) It will save the taxpayer a huge amount of money and 2) it will make any future CEO and trader proceed with a healthy amount of caution and common sense.

Those that run banks and lending institutions show no mercy when it comes to collecting on debt carried by the common man. Do they truly expect that those same people now contribute to sustaining their life of obscene wealth?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 10/02/2008
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You display a stunning lack of understanding of the issues at hand.

This isn't about revenge.

It's about salvaging what remains of the US economy.

All the stuff you're so unhappy about is just a series of side issues, and those issues can be dealt with after the economy is back on track.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 10/02/2008

They are not "a series of side issues", they are the cause for why we are in this mess.

"and those issues can be dealt with after the economy is back on track."

And what are the chances of that happening? Once the economy is back on track, the corporate-owned media will never mention this issue again. In the past 8 years, has anyone been held accountable for their actions by our government?

"This isn't about revenge."

No, this is about justice.

If a group of individuals takes the entire country to the brink of economic disaster, then you believe that they should get to keep the bonuses and salaries they earned for doing this? We have the right, as a country, to arrest these people and seize their assets. We would do the same with terrorists. These guys have arguably done more financial harm than the 9/11 terrorists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 10/02/2008

"This isn't about revenge."

No, it is about justice.

When a group of greedy individuals takes an entire country to the brink of financial disaster, then you feel they should get to keep the bonuses and salaries (in the billions) that they earned doing this?

Do you have a problem with arresting the individuals, seizing their assets and throwing that money in the pot first, before the taxpayer gets to make up the difference?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 10/02/2008

"is just a series of side issues"

No, this is the very cause for the mess we are in. If nothing is done to curb this behavior, then we will be right back in the same mess in a few years. And the only way to curb it is to make the greedy truly feel pain for their actions.

"those issues can be dealt with after the economy is back on track"

If the economy gets back on track, what are the chances that these issues will get dealt with? When in the last 8 years has anyone been held accountable for their actions? Do you think the corporate media will ever mention this again?

What we are talking about here, is a small group of individuals that have taken 300,000,000 Americans to the brink of financial disaster. Had terrorists done this, we would be calling for their heads to roll. So why do you want these guys to walk away to a golden retirement, with billions in their pockets?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 10/02/2008

SydneylovesherDaddy
Nothing is more important to them than this agenda.
Openly gay men can do no wrong and are above any criticism.
Closeted gay men must be destroyed. No mercy, no context.
Posted 10:46 AM on 10/02/2008

So, you admit that B!tch McConnell, MissLindseyGraham, David Dreier and Governor Crist are big ole closet cases?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 10/02/2008
- HypnoToad I'm a Fan of HypnoToad 48 fans permalink
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I think this confirms that he is Bradie. like I suspected. And any name with PDS, Sheishot, et al.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 10/02/2008
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They're different people.

Brattie has a long and checkered history here, as does Betty Jo.

the PDS,Sheishot troII was originally known as ddh, Cankles, and other names.

They do constitute three of the most offensive and dishonest of the troII brigade, though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 10/02/2008

Storm the WhiteHouse!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 10/02/2008
- HypnoToad I'm a Fan of HypnoToad 48 fans permalink
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I am not that good at weather control, but I will give it my best effort.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 10/02/2008
- Pdubya I'm a Fan of Pdubya 44 fans permalink

Maybe they should all go home and watch cartoons.

Here is one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_LWQQrpSc4&eurl=http://www.charlesgoyette.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 10/02/2008
- Whimsy08 I'm a Fan of Whimsy08 2 fans permalink
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....err...­MIStrial. Sorry about the typo, there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 10/02/2008
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Hm...CNN is saying that there is most likely going to be a midtrial for Troopergate. Now ain't that somethin'?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 10/02/2008
- Ozarks I'm a Fan of Ozarks 43 fans permalink
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"midtrial" or mistrial? I think there maybe have been a judicial docket number set up so as a judge could allow subpoenas to be served but I don't think a "trial" could have started? Imo, The first motion to be taken up if there was a plea or petition would be to find the people disobeying subpoenas to be in violation of the law. Haven't seen that yet

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 10/02/2008
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