House Bailout Vote Could Still Hold Surprises

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | October 2, 2008 11:41 PM EST | AP

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House Financial Services Committee ranking Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Ala, right, speaks during a news conference on the financial market turmoil on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, Oct. 2, 2008. He is joined with, from left, Rep. Thomas Latham, R-Iowa, and Rep. Steven LaTourette, R-Ohio, the other are unidentified. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

WASHINGTON — A wave of House converts jumped aboard the $700 billion financial industry bailout Thursday on the eve of a make-or-break second vote, as lawmakers responded to an awakening among voters to the pain ahead of them if stability isn't restored to the tottering economy.

Black lawmakers said personal calls from Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama helped switch them from "no" to "yes." Republicans and Democrats alike said appeals from credit-starved small businessmen and the Senate's addition of $110 billion in tax breaks had persuaded them to drop their opposition.

"I hate it," but "inaction to me is a greater danger to our country than this bill," said GOP Rep. Zach Wamp of Tennessee, one of the 133 House Republicans who joined 95 Democrats in rejecting the measure Monday, sending the stock market plummeting.

Still, the outcome was far from assured. Vote-counters in both parties planned to huddle first thing Friday morning to compare notes on coming up with the dozen or so supporters needed to reverse the stunning defeat.

Lawmakers were agonizing as they decided whether to change course and back the largest government intervention in markets since the Great Depression. "I'm trying desperately to get to 'yes,'" said Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, D-N.H.

Fears about an economic downturn sent the Dow Jones industrials down nearly 350 points Thursday, three days after Monday's historic 778-point drop. The Federal Reserve reported record emergency lending to banks and investment firms, fresh evidence of the credit troubles squeezing the country

Obama and his Republican rival, John McCain, phoned reluctant lawmakers for their help. McCain, in Denver, predicted the bill would pass the House.

Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., told a closed-door meeting of House Democrats that he will support the bill after speaking with Obama about it. Other wavering lawmakers said Obama's entreaties had swayed them as well.

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Congressional leaders worked over wayward colleagues wherever they could find them.

Rep. Steny Hoyer, the second-ranking House Democrat, said there was a "good prospect" of approving the measure but stopped short of predicting passage _ or even promising a vote. Nonetheless, a vote was expected on Friday.

"I'm going to be pretty confident that we have sufficient votes to pass this before we put it on the floor," Hoyer said.

The top Republican vote-counter, Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri, did predict the measure would be approved.

"A lot of people are watching," Bush pointed out _ as if lawmakers needed reminding _ and he argued from the White House that the huge rescue measure was the best chance to calm unnerved financial markets and ease the credit crunch. He was calling dozens of lawmakers, a spokesman said.

Minds were changing in both parties in favor of the much-maligned measure, which would let the government spend billions of dollars to buy bad mortgage-related securities and other devalued assets from troubled financial institutions. If the plan works, advocates say, that would allow frozen credit to begin flowing again and prevent a serious recession.

GOP Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida, said she was switching her "no" vote to a "yes" after the Senate added some $110 million in tax breaks and other sweeteners before approving the measure Wednesday night.

"Monday what we had was a bailout for Wall Street firms and not much relief for taxpayers and hard-hit families. Now we have an economic rescue package," Ros-Lehtinen told The Associated Press.

Republican Rep. Jim Ramstad of Minnesota also switched to "yes," partly because the Senate attached the bailout to legislation he spearheaded to give people with mental illnesses better health insurance coverage.

Rep. Gresham Barrett, R-S.C., also said he'd back it.

Democratic Rep. Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri was switching, too, said spokesman Danny Rotert, declaring, "America feels differently today than it did on Monday about this bill."

And Democratic Rep. Shelley Berkley of Nevada said she would back the bill after business leaders in her Las Vegas-area district made it clear how much it was needed. She said, "There isn't a segment of the population that hasn't been slammed and is not asking for some relief."

Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., said he was on the verge of voting "yes," based on conversations with Obama. "I've got a man who I'm hoping will be president who's saying that's he's going to do the very things that I want done," he said. "It makes me feel a lot better."

Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., also said Obama was asking him to reconsider his vote. "I'm seriously listening," Rush said.

Emboldened by the feverish bidding for votes, other members of both parties were demanding substantial changes to the legislation before they would vote for it. A group of Republican opponents indicated they'd back it if the price tag were slashed to $250 billion and several special tax breaks added by the Senate _ including for children's archery bow makers, imported rum producers and racetrack owners _ were removed. Democrats wanted to add a way to pay for the bailout and more help for homeowners staring at foreclosure.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said no, such revisions were impossible because they would slow the measure's enactment and further shake markets.

"I don't think that any changes here will do what we need to do, which is right now to send a message of confidence to the markets that Congress will act," she said.

The Senate breathed new life into the measure Wednesday after the stinging House defeat, voting 74-25 to approve the bailout, with additions designed to appeal to key constituencies. Business lobbyists were also inundating Capitol Hill in a rush to win over wavering lawmakers in both parties.

The changes helped satisfy some Republican critics, but they angered conservative "Blue Dog" Democrats who are concerned about swelling the deficit. Still, Hoyer predicted the number of Democratic defectors "is going to be minimal."

In efforts to appease GOP opponents, the Senate added a provision to raise, from $100,000 to $250,000, the limit on federal deposit insurance.

House Republicans also cheered a decision by the Securities and Exchange Commission this week to ease rules that force companies to devalue assets on their balance sheets to reflect the price they can get on the market.

The developments Wednesday prompted one Republican, Rep. John Shadegg of Arizona, to say he would support the new bill.

Bush, meeting with business executives at the White House, said increasingly tight credit markets are not just hitting big banks in New York City but threatening the existence of small businesses across the country.

The modified Senate bill extends several tax breaks popular with businesses, provisions that are favorites for most Republicans. It would keep the alternative minimum tax from hitting 20 million middle-income Americans, which appeals to lawmakers in both parties. And it would provide $8 billion in tax relief for those hit by natural disasters in the Midwest, Texas and Louisiana.

Help for rural schools was aimed mainly at lawmakers in the West.

Another addition, to extend the deductibility of state and local taxes for people in states without income taxes, helps Florida and Texas, among others. Ros-Lehtinen singled it out as one reason she changed her mind.

Democratic leaders circulated data showing which states benefit most from an extension of a tax break for homeowners who do not itemize their tax returns. Texas, Florida, California and Pennsylvania ranked among the highest. The leaders hope the measure will bring support from black lawmakers, many of whom voted "no" earlier this week, among others.

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Associated Press writers Terence Hunt, Ben Feller, Matthew Daly, Alan Fram, Sam Hananel, Kimberly Hefling, Andrew Taylor and Erica Werner contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — A wave of House converts jumped aboard the $700 billion financial industry bailout Thursday on the eve of a make-or-break second vote, as lawmakers responded to an awakening among v...
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Proposal would exempt a specific kind of arrow from excise tax
Rum from Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands would get tax break
Filmmakers would get a $478 million in incentives to produce movies in U.S.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 10/02/2008

Rum from Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands would get tax break


OK, I have to be honest: I am all for this.

What about limes, no tax break for them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 10/02/2008

Remember a time when we thought Iraq Nam was expensive?

A WEEK AGO !?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 10/02/2008

where's the regulation?
where's relief for the homeowners?

how is this good for america?

oh, i get it... its good for the politicos wealthy donors... so its good for the politicos.­.. so its screw you average joe...

this is utter bullshit..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 10/02/2008
- GatoPreto I'm a Fan of GatoPreto 8 fans permalink

This isn't gonna go down smooth. The number of angry people is increasing exponentially, all that's needed is to keep applying the pressure. The rats appear to be anxious to have us believe everybody else is OK with the bailout, but it's not working.

700 billion$ is a lot of money. Can't you think of anything more urgent we could do with that cash?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 10/02/2008
- NicoleAnon I'm a Fan of NicoleAnon 9 fans permalink

Do you think most Americans who work in jobs where they don't have online access and then have to take care of their family when they're home because they can't afford help have the time to found out everything we know?

They're not stupid - they just don't have TIME and the media isn't telling people what is really happening.

And members of congress are having hearings on the bailout right now although they know people will be watching VPs tonight. By the time everyone find out they will be angry that same way they were about Iraq but it will be too late. Our government has been taken over by corrupt people and you can't do anything about that in a WEEK which is how much time they gave congress to approve the bailout.

And the stock market went down today to scare people. The media in other countries have mentioned that but not here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 10/02/2008

"No Banker Left Behind" now has an ADDITIONAL $100 BILLION in PORK.

Folks, that's equivalent to one hundred modern airline terminals or skyscrapers. Pure pork.

We're now spending $800B for $700B.... that still might not be the RIGHT FIX.

ENOUGH. TOO MUCH. ENOUGH. TOO MUCH.

Aaaarghhh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 10/02/2008

and its just the first down-payment on a revolving credit (debt) line

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 10/02/2008
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A reader from Ohio reminds us of a very important point:

“$700 billion could completely rebuild the US passenger system. All the way to complete electrification and to the same standards the French enjoy with their TGVs.”

http://farm1.static.flickr.com.....0c.jpg?v=0

Its enough money to bring service to every town of 5000 and up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 10/02/2008
- Egalitare I'm a Fan of Egalitare 6 fans permalink
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Sigh.

Yes, there are many things that we could pay for that could actually get more of us back to work.

We have to keep in mind that until 1-20-09 we are still subject to the veto pen of Bush. We could craft a VERY, VERY good bill from scratch and it wouldn't do one damn bit of good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 10/02/2008
- NicoleAnon I'm a Fan of NicoleAnon 9 fans permalink

I just want everyone to know:

1) They already have enough people who have agreed to change their votes so the bailout will be approved. It's only to make us more frustrated if we don't accept that we can't change that now.

2) There are lots of people here and online other places who are being paid for financial lobbyists so it's not really worth your time to discuss this with them anymore.

3) I just talked to some people I know at major banks and they're very happy we can help them during this "difficult" time. They already planned their holiday party next year that will cost a few million and this year they're giving people bonuses and spending lots of money on their employees by taking them out for fancy dinners, even tonight although the economy is on the brink of collapse, but they're not selfish and want taxpayers to know they really do appreciate all your help. Next week they're having an expensive "celebration" that will cost lots of money to thank all of us for approving the bailout for them. It's very strange because I thought they would be worried that we're all going to be living in cardboard boxes but they're not.

4) If you think I'm joking about this, I'm not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 10/02/2008
- scared4ALL I'm a Fan of scared4ALL 10 fans permalink

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 10/02/2008
- scared4ALL I'm a Fan of scared4ALL 10 fans permalink

Open Letter to Media, Obama & McCain:

No Bailout/Band-Aid.

Google "Michael Moore's plan"

Google "Ron Paul and Bob Barr on bailout."

Please don't allow middle-class to be buried any deeper.

There's a better way.

A Band-Aid now will insure we suffer much more and longer later.

There's much we could do if you'd listen to the people.

Like make churches, instead of government, responsible for welfare of poor in their vicinities and surrounding areas where clergy may lack.

Many made their voices heard already, wanting to back their candidate and are willing to give up their 501 (c) tax exemption.

That's a lot of money.

Downsizing DC by eliminating positions that milk our economy is necessary.

Citizen committees could be formed to oversee much. Could be voluntary, rotating and unpaid positions to insure honesty with just reasonable expenses paid.

Please help save "US" before it's too late.

Ignorance will be no excuse later because many of "US" are telling you!

Sincerely:
A Terrified Citizen (Especially for our children)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 10/02/2008
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 13 fans permalink

It needs to be financed by a stock and securities transfer tax.

It'll stifle the initiative that got us here

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 10/02/2008
- sacrebleu I'm a Fan of sacrebleu 11 fans permalink
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Thank you Oregon U.S. Representatives Blumenhauer (D), De Fazio(D), and Wu(D) for your "no" votes on the first bill. Please do not cave in now.

As for Reps. Hooley and Walden, you're days are numbered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 10/02/2008
- Lazslo I'm a Fan of Lazslo 9 fans permalink

Senator Maria Cantwell, thank you for litsening to your constituents. Patty Murray, you will be job seeking after the next election. To all WA representatives, I urge you to listen to your constituents and vote no tomorrow. Jim McDermott, you get another bite at the apple tomorrow. Don't make the same mistake twice.

Obama - you lost my vote yesterday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 10/02/2008

Crazy an AMAZING parody of the bailout!!!! It is amazzzzzzzzing

http://reportell.com/index.php?view=article&catid=35%3Apolitics&id=161&option=com_content&Itemid=61

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 10/02/2008

I'll save y'all the click-thru:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1X6RQLZtoA

B+.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 10/02/2008
- NicoleAnon I'm a Fan of NicoleAnon 9 fans permalink

There isn't much we can do now - they know it's going to be approved already. And Goldman Sachs will receive a "contract" paying them billions in fees to "manage" our toxic assets for us. Even the new administration won't be able to change the terms of the contract.

They claim these "toxic assets" will someday be worth money and we will make a profit. Then why don't we LOAN the banks $700 billion but make them keep the toxic assets on thier books? When they sell these assets in a few years for a profit they can pay us back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 10/02/2008
- Lazslo I'm a Fan of Lazslo 9 fans permalink

Yep. If there was ANY chance of selling the securities later on, a business would surely do it. Oh, and by the way, the government is buying the securities at a price much higher than what they're worth. They must really think the American people are idiots. Paulson is the modern day Cortez.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 10/02/2008

Long, but worth it.
I couldn't stop watching.
Verrry disturbing.
If you disliked bankers before... (Sarcasm)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 10/02/2008
- sacrebleu I'm a Fan of sacrebleu 11 fans permalink
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"The much-maligned measure returned to the House after the Senate resuscitated it with tax cuts and other sweeteners in a 74-25 vote late Wednesday.­"

In other words, the Senate put some lipstick on its pig and hope the House will be seduced by it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 10/02/2008
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