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JOE BEL BRUNO | October 2, 2008 05:44 PM EST | AP

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A newspaper headline is taped to a booth on the New York Stock Exchange floor, Thursday Oct. 2, 2008. (AP Photo/Richard Drew)

NEW YORK — Pessimism about a protracted economic downturn washed over the financial markets Thursday, sending stocks plunging and further tightening the credit markets. Reports on declining factory orders and a seven-year high in jobless claims stoked fears that the government's financial rescue plan won't ward off a recession, and the Dow Jones industrials skidded nearly 350 points.

Investors appeared to be settling in for a prolonged economic winter. The main concern is that the $700 billion bailout plan won't be enough to stimulate growth, and economic reports delivered Thursday show that the U.S. continues to struggle.

The government said the number of people seeking unemployment benefits rose last week and that demand at the nation's factories has fallen by the largest amount in nearly two years. The market is interpreting the Commerce Department report on factories as a sign that tight credit conditions are hitting manufacturers.

"The economy is what's driving this weakness," said Subodh Kumar, global investment strategist at Toronto-based Subodh Kumar & Associates. "I think now what's going on is a focus on the economic weakness in a whole bunch of areas."

He also said, "the next couple of days are going to be pretty intense politically" as Wall Street girds for another vote on the financial bailout plan. The bill that passed the Senate late Wednesday will be sent to the House as soon as Friday. The latest version of the bill adds $100 billion in tax breaks for businesses and the middle class and raises the limit on federal deposit insurance to $250,000 from $100,000.

Supporters are hoping the sweetened bill will be more palatable to some of the 133 House Republicans who rejected the measure in a vote Monday that took Wall Street, and many on Capitol Hill, by surprise.

Those in favor of the plan to let the government buy billions of dollars in bad mortgage debt and other now-soured assets say it will help unclog the world's credit markets. Banks are fearful of making loans, even to each other, because of worries they won't be repaid. That, in turn, is weighing on the economy, making borrowing more difficult and expensive for businesses and consumers alike.

The credit markets showed some increased strain Thursday. The yield on the 3-month T-bill, the safest type of investment, fell to 0.70 percent from 0.79 percent late Wednesday. The historically low yields indicate investors are willing to accept the smallest of returns to safeguard their money.

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The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which moves opposite its price, fell to 3.64 percent from 3.74 percent late Wednesday.

The stock market is a leading economic indicator of sorts, because investors tend to buy and sell based on where they believe the economy will be six months or more in the future. Thursday's big drop points to a market increasingly resigned to further economic instability whether or not the bailout plan becomes law.

"There are a lot of people who think regardless of a bailout, there's still this economic data and the horror stories out there," said Todd Salamone, director of trading at Schaeffer's Investment Research. "Certainly, there's a negative psychology."

Investors might get another grim reading about the economy on Friday when the Labor Department releases its September jobs report, one of the most closely watched indicators. The report is expected to show a loss of 100,000 jobs, according to a median estimate from economists. That would be the ninth straight month that the economy has lost jobs.

The Dow fell 348.22, or 3.22 percent, to 10,482.85. The blue chips plunged nearly 778 points Monday, logged a partial rebound Tuesday and finished modestly lower Wednesday; still the Dow has had triple-digit swings every day this week, having fallen more than 200 during Wednesday's trading.

Broader stock indicators also fell sharply Thursday. The Standard & Poor's 500 index fell 46.78, or 4.03 percent, to 1,114.28, and the Nasdaq composite index fell 92.68, or 4.48 percent, to 1,976.72.

Light, sweet crude fell $4.56 to settle at $93.97 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Gold and other commodities also declined during the session.

Billionaire investor Warren Buffett said the U.S. has been hit with an "economic Pearl Harbor," and the government must respond quickly. "That sounds melodramatic, but I've never used that phrase before. And this really is one," Buffett said in an appearance on the "The Charlie Rose Show" on PBS stations.

The Labor Department reported Thursday that initial claims for unemployment benefits rose by 1,000 last week to a seasonally adjusted 497,000, above expectations for a 475,000 increase. That's the highest seen since the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and unnerved investors worried about not only about strains in the financial market but also the effect on the broader economy.

Beyond employment, the government reported that orders for manufactured goods fell by 4 percent in August from July. Economists had expected a 2.5 percent decline. It is the biggest drop since a 4.8 percent decline in October 2006.

The dollar was higher against other major currencies, particularly the euro, even after the European Central Bank left interest rates unchanged. Higher interest rates in Europe generally make the euro more attractive to investors than the dollar.

The ECB left its key interest rate unchanged amid concerns over inflation but explored the option of lowering the rate as the financial crisis increasingly affects the continent. The central bank is also weighing a bailout of the region's financial system, similar to what U.S. lawmakers are considering.

That raised the question of whether policymakers globally might be less focused on fighting inflation, and instead trying to come up with short-term solutions to stimulate the economy.

"At some point, you have to face the realities that we have some serious problems and there aren't going to be any quick fixes," said Ryan Larson, head of equity trading at Voyageur Asset Management. "Even if bailouts pass, the fact remains that it might get credit flowing again but won't solve the broader issues out there."

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 33.92, or 5.05 percent, to 637.67.

Declining issues led advancers by a 3 to 1 margin on the New York Stock Exchange, where consolidated volume came to 6.16 billion shares, up from 5.59 billion on Wednesday.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei stock average fell 1.88 percent. Britain's FTSE 100 fell 1.80 percent, Germany's DAX index fell 2.51 percent, and France's CAC-40 lost 2.25 percent.

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NEW YORK — Pessimism about a protracted economic downturn washed over the financial markets Thursday, sending stocks plunging and further tightening the credit markets. Reports on declining fact...
NEW YORK — Pessimism about a protracted economic downturn washed over the financial markets Thursday, sending stocks plunging and further tightening the credit markets. Reports on declining fact...
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must see video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2135196021413874239&ei=qz3mSPnBFKO2qAP3i7DVDw&q

Video Transcript:
Rep. Brad Sherman: "The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere.
That atmosphere is not justified. Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill, on Monday, that the sky would fall, the market would drop two or 3,000 points the first day, another couple of thousand the second day. And a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America, if we voted no. That"s what I call fearmongering. Unjustified. Unproven. Wrong. We"ve got a week, we"ve got two weeks to write a good bill. The only way to pass a bad bill¦keep the panic pressure on.
Now what has the senate done to this bill¦"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 10/03/2008
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Good article on the global banking crisis. Wake up people, we NEED to do something.

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?source=hptextfeature&story_id=12341996

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 10/03/2008

Wrong.

Marketsd tanked yesterday & will tank worse today because of the giveaway-bill being passed.

McCan's "gift from God" & he won't open the package.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 AM on 10/03/2008
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I would like a position of employment, Sony asked me if I wanted to be their new CEO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 10/03/2008

Real smart guys at work again. . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 10/02/2008

And the bad news on Wall St. keeps pouring in.

http://grantlingel.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 10/02/2008

Washington Post headline, September 30, 2008 --

"HOUSE REJECTS FINANCIAL RESCUE, SENDING STOCKS PLUMMETING"

Washington Post headline, October 3rd, 2008 --

"SENATE PASSES FINANCIAL RESCUE, SENDING STOCKS PLUMMETING" (my version).

Whose reality are we living in? The "financial rescue" is a crock.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 10/02/2008
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The republican mantra of "keep money flowing to the rich and it will trickle down to you" has finally brought us to the edge of gop depression #2

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 10/02/2008

We might never have had republican depressions, had not a Democratic president signed the Federal Reserve Act into life. Oh but he admitted his mistake before he died: "I have betrayed my country."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 10/02/2008

This market decline is a direct result of economic terrorism being perpetrated by Pres Bush and Henry Paulson.

This is terrorism and should be investigated and prosecuted as such.

Terrorism against the people of the United States.

Where is the justice dept?
Where is the FBI?

This is clearly and act of Terrorism the Henry Paulson is engaging in.

" pass the bill or else"
I ask you, does that not sound like a threat?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 10/02/2008

"" pass the bill or else"
I ask you, does that not sound like a threat?"

It actually sounds like the first true thing these people have uttered in eight years. But thanks for asking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 10/02/2008

If this were happening under a Democratic president the republicans would be asking for heads to roll, with pitchforks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 10/02/2008

Ahhhh feel the warm shower of trickle down economics.......why is the water salty???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 10/02/2008

Not salty, dear --- acidic is how it feels to me. We ain't seen nothing yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 10/02/2008

The ban on Short Selling is really working !!

Trying to prop up stocks that stink never works. Remove the short selling ban and let market do the "price discovery" of these stocks.

At least remove GM and F from the short selling ban list. They have been circling the drain and I want to make some money while they go down the tubes :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 10/02/2008

Passing this bailout will just accelerate the economic depression,we were heading into one anyway but doing this will speed things up 2009 and the 2nd great depression,I feel bad for O b a m a is being given this ,but he did vote for it,so once he's in that bitter pill het ook and voted on,he'll have to deal with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 10/02/2008

I am glad Obama will handle it and not Bush III. At least we can be sure that he will throw some smarts and not just stale ideology at it.

:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 10/02/2008

Very true,man I can't wait to have Obama in office as Prez.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 10/02/2008

Well, I moved my stock equities in the pension fund over to all bonds and Commercial RE. I'm not taking chances with stock equities. I've lost 50% of my money in a small brokerage acct and won't take chances with the pension.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 10/02/2008
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Yes, UBS is picking up, as investers move their money to tax-free zones. They better watch out - because Phil Gramm is waiting for them, keeping a list, and checking it twice for Uncle Sam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 10/02/2008

Just go to a neighborhood bank, like the ones in your area that fund all the small businesses, car loans, etc. They'll tell you that the Wall Street Bailout has nothing to do with them! This bailout clearly pumps money into the big wall street firms that do mergers, currency manipulation, company takeovers, EXACTLY the group that has ruined the country with greed and speculation!

SAVE THE COUNTRY, KILL THE BAILOUT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 10/02/2008
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Simply untrue. There are a ton local banks on the brink of insolvency. They do construction lending. What do you think is happening to that situation?

To get cash to make loans, they have to borrow it. If credit is frozen, then they won't get it. In a day or so the only cash in your bank will be in the bubble gum machine. There is nowhere in America where this issue does not reach.

Those of you who F'd up and called your representative in anger, call him back and tell him you've cooled off and reconsidered.

Simmer down and think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 10/02/2008

You're lying.

Everyone here should know this person is lying. Many people are still getting offers for credit cards and loans from banks - this is a MANUFACTURED crisis.

There are serious problems with our economy but this is NOT the solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 10/02/2008

Your comment makes no sense economically--or even logically. Even if your assumption were true--that local banks fund "all" the small businesses, Wall Street and the big guys still have an overwhelming impact. In a oversimplified explanation, the big banks fund the major producers in this country. If they go belly up, then the major producers would either have to pull money from the smaller banks or simply quit doing business, which if happens, even small businesses would eventually shrivel and die.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 10/02/2008

Credit derivative swap=65 Trillion

The excuse, the reason, the source of this potential "meltdown" you've been warned about.

It is real. It is mostly in the hands of the "furriners" who believed (for awhile) in the great integrity of the United States. They don't believe it anymore. They want their money back...or....something of equivalent value. What could they possibly have in mind?? We like to establish military bases overseas to "protect American interests". If the Chinese end up owning more than 10% of the developed land in this country, who is going to oversee it for them? Balckwater?? Maybe...that would be the most palatable of some very disturbing options. 700 Billion delays the inevitable until about June. I'd stock up on soup, bottled water and fuel in the interim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 10/02/2008

Where do you think you small local bank gets their money from? The Feds? Think again, my friend. And read up on Wikipedia how the system works.

I am all on your side, by the way, regarding the bailout. I think small people like you need to learn a lesson. It's the only way you learn. So let's kill the bailout and let the pain begin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 10/02/2008

I heard the same thing, that banks are eager to lend, but no one is biting. This "credit is tight" meme is corporate propaganda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 10/02/2008
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