Vice Presidential Debate: Reaction, Analysis (VIDEO)

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First Posted: 10- 2-08 11:06 PM   |   Updated: 11- 3-08 03:15 PM

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Below is a round up of reaction to Thursday night's vice presidential debate:

The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder called the debate a wash in terms of who won, but that Palin's performance was pretty uneven:

To practiced ears, Palin memorized and repeated talking points and Biden responded to the questions and argued. Palin dodged questions and seemed vague; but then again, for those whose only impression of Palin has been the one Tina Fay performed on Saturday Night Live, she cleared the bar. Biden seemed a little unsure how tough to be at the beginning of the debate; by the beginning of the final third, he hit his stride. As the debate wound on, Palin seemed less agile when it came to constructing sentences and answers. Lots of key phrases, weird placement of conjunctions, so the gist of what she was saying was there, but it wasn't terribly clear.

Meanwhile his colleague Andrew Sullivan thought Palin was dominating Biden at the beginning, but that she faded quickly:

Biden's sobriety and authority and call for fundamental change is both reasonable and solid. It will resonate, I think. As you can read, I began this debate feeling that she was steam-rolling him. She was. But it was a steam-roller coming at you on fumes, not real fuel. She doesn't have it. Maybe one day she might. But not now. Biden's peroration was very, very strong. There is no contest here.

CNN's Bill Schneider was critical of the substance of Palin's responses:

Palin's answers do not lack confidence, they lack coherence.

The New Republic's Michael Crowley thinks Palinmania may have run its course:

Biden was about right--neither too hot nor too cold. His points sometimes digressed more than Palin's, but what he lacked in crispness he made up for in stature and confidence. And his multiple references to Scranton went over nicely in Pennsylvania, no doubt.

Bottom line: She won't be off the ticket, but there will be no second round of Palinmania, either. This was a highly entertaining cultural spectacle which probably won't have much effect on a race that is now clearly Obama's to lose.

On MSNBC, Newsweek's Howard Fineman compared Palin's performance to that of a "wolverine attacking the pant leg of a passerby."

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Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo notes that the debate probably helped both tickets, but that shouldn't overshadow that Biden was the stronger of the two:

One thing that I think is easy to overlook here is that Biden did really well. He started a little slow. But he quickly got into his groove and in the second half there were several answers that he took the debate squarely to John McCain in a way that I thought was very effective.

So basically a win for Biden because he just did a lot better and it's Obama-Biden who want the trajectory of the race to stay as is. She made herself less of an embarrassment and gave core Republicans a reason to stop being embarrassed. But there were a bunch of flatly false or nonsensical things she said -- and we'll see those picked apart over the next few days.

Politico's Ben Smith thinks Palin's performance neutralized any negative effects she was having on the ticket, but didn't achieve much beyond that:

My quick take is that Palin passed a pass-fail test, though she flagged as the debate went on. Though she was chosen for her emotional connection, she was the drier of the two candidates. But if the central worry was that she'd be a drag on the ticket, she likely returned herself to the same status as Biden and every other running mate in memory: not, ultimately, a major factor at the polls.

Biden, meanwhile, was -- as he should have been, given his experience and skill at this -- a more effective presence, and a more lucid one. He effectively, and emotionally, used the forum to drive the Obama campaign's core message that McCain isn't the man for the economic moment.

Below is a round up of reaction to Thursday night's vice presidential debate: The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder called the debate a wash in terms of who won, but that Palin's performance was pretty uneven...
Below is a round up of reaction to Thursday night's vice presidential debate: The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder called the debate a wash in terms of who won, but that Palin's performance was pretty uneven...
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- poobah I'm a Fan of poobah 15 fans permalink

Debate? What debate? Ignoring questions and instead offering disjointed, incomprehensible talking points doesn't constitute a debate. Maybe winks, gollys, you betchas, and other such inanities score points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 10/07/2008

Sarah Palin has sat the women's movement back 50 years! Her performance last night proves she will do anything to win.....including using her sexuality. What in hell was she thinking with the winks and the nose thingie????? What does that have to do with anything other than being cute? Women who want to be appreciated for their ideas have been fighting for decades to be appreciated for their brains/ideas and not how cute they are to succeed in this world with the thick glass ceiling. As a woman who has worked for equal rights, equal pay, been sexually harassed in the work place, I can say with conviction that Sarah Palin did NOT win my vote!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 10/03/2008
- bodo I'm a Fan of bodo 7 fans permalink

Biden answered all questions, but Palin evaded most of them. Obviously she has experience in evading questions. But since she hardly knows McCain she was clueless about his voting record and often agreed with Obama/Biden instead. I don't believe she did McCain a favor by her lame "defence" of his policy, with which she seemed to disagree repeatedly.

When asked what they would do differently if they became President, Biden said he would carry on Obama's message, but Palin intends to follow quite a different line from McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 10/03/2008
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Say it with me folks: nyu-clee-aarr

NOT nyu-queue-lurrr

NUCLEAR: The most abused word in the past 10 years.

God, did that annoy me...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 AM on 10/03/2008
- asnevitt I'm a Fan of asnevitt 4 fans permalink

Can we talk about her desire to continue with the Cheney Doctrine in redefining and expanding the powers of the VP? She wants to exercise control over the Senate?!!!

Ok, it's constitutionally impossible, but between McCain saying that he always wanted to be a dictator and her wanting to come out of nowhere with no real understanding of anything of substance and requesting expanded, unaccountable powers as a VP, this is very dangerous duo. They demonstrate sociopathic tendencies.

It's a non-starter. Disqualified. We're a democracy with a constitution that delineates a separation of powers. We need to restore that and our constitutional powers. They can't be allowed into the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 10/03/2008

I feel for Biden -- he was sharp and strong and showed a mastery of the issues, and yet, in the overall assessment, he has to accept a "tie" with Palin because she basically just showed up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 AM on 10/03/2008

Gov. Palin has no idea what she is talking about. She does not even address any of the issues at hand or even tries to tell the american people how herself and McCain will be any different the next 4 years from the last 8 HORRIBLE years we got from the Bush administration. Senator Biden is right on target with all topics concerning the american people. The Obama-Biden ticket is unquestionably the right choice and all americans need to see this. Palin stumbles on almost 99% of the topics and just takes Senator Biden's repsonses and turns them inside out which make no sense at all. McCain must be biting his tongue and thinking who did I choose?! Lets get Obama and Biden in the white house america. God Bless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 10/03/2008
- MamaBird62 I'm a Fan of MamaBird62 85 fans permalink

Was I imagining this or did she keep calling him "O'Biden?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 10/03/2008
- MamaBird62 I'm a Fan of MamaBird62 85 fans permalink

Eye-rack Eye-ran Eye-rack-ees

Like my shoes?

Gwen's questions weren't so hot. Nothing unexpected or really interesting.

Tim Russert, we miss you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 10/03/2008
- BigMike75 I'm a Fan of BigMike75 11 fans permalink

Well she called Commander McKiernan, McClellan, she called Governor Jindal, "Lingle", she chose to answer Gwen Ifill's questions when she wanted, she completely botched the debate process, and she didn't fall flat on her face, and according to Republicans that's a victory. According the esteemed Patrick Buchanan she "moped up the floor with Joe Biden", I don't know what debate he was watching the one in St.Lous, or the one in his empty head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 10/03/2008

Tonight Sarah Palin officially morphed into a cartoon character. The canned phrases and strung together gee-whiz, doggone folksy phrases fell flat. After her strange, out-of-context use of the Reagan phrase "There you go again", I thought I heard the audience hissing at her.

Biden did very well, but I wish he'd said two things:

1. Sarah Palin rejects scientific evidence linking global warming to humans, but she believes in witchcraft.

2. The Republican mind-set that government is the problem and all we need to do is get government off our backs (as she repeated several times) and the free market will take care of everything has come crashing down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 10/03/2008
- MadDog I'm a Fan of MadDog 4 fans permalink

Nice that her programming called on OLD attack lines to use, back to Reagan's "There you go again," and the ones used on Kerry. Old lines for old ideas. It's time for some new blood, and it ain't "The Mavericks," although she was very mavericky. Is it possible that she could have used that stupid term any more?

Thanks, but no thanks.

Just say NO to Bush 44, and the lame wolverine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 10/03/2008

So she can dish it out but she can't take it. She has spent an insane amount of time attacking Obama during her stump speech, during her RNC speech and now during the debate. At the same time if anyone so much as looks at her cross-eyed the McCain camp says it is sexist and that people aren't treating her fairly.

She is a blight on American politics and has set feminism back 100 years. Disgusting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 10/03/2008

it looks like with all the technical programming that mccain's bunch did on palin, the guy that was supposed to teach her how to pronounce NUCLEAR dropped the ball

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 10/03/2008
- lw1899 I'm a Fan of lw1899 6 fans permalink
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I noticed that also. She didn't have a teleprompter handy to spell out "new-clear". What is it with righties and "nucular"? It isn't a hard word to pronounce but an easy one for them to get wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 10/03/2008
- afgail I'm a Fan of afgail 58 fans permalink

The MSM is way too kind to Palin. If she had been a man they would have said she was dreadful. She didn't answer the questions because she didn't undertand any of the questions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 10/03/2008

Lmao... that's so perfect.

The best analogy I could think of is like a friend's little chihuahua biting at your pants leg when you walk through their house.

Annoying, aggressive, abrasive, but ultimately harmless.

She reinforced what intelligent people already knew, she doesn't know a lick of anything of importance. She reinforced what Palin zombies already knew, they were going to vote for her even it was found out she was a really android.

I think the best way to frame this would be... if you were on a jumbo jet, would you rather have Palin flying it, or a real pilot? Palin might get you to God quicker, but a real pilot will get you back home. Some prefer the former, personally I prefer to live.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 10/03/2008
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