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First Posted: 10- 3-08 08:49 AM   |   Updated: 11- 3-08 05:12 AM

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Below is a collection of reactions to Thursday night's vice presidential debate between Governor Sarah Palin and Senator Joe Biden. For HuffPost bloggers reactions - including Bob Shrum, Madeleine Albright, Nora Ephron, and more - go here. And for analysis and video generated during the debate, please go here.

The New York Times: "not a tipping point for the embattled Republican presidential ticket":

It was not a tipping point for the embattled Republican presidential ticket, the bad night that many Republicans had feared. But neither did it constitute the turning point the McCain campaign was looking for after a stretch of several weeks in which Senator Barack Obama seemed to be gaining the upper hand in the race. Even if he no longer has to be on the defensive about Ms. Palin, Mr. McCain still faces a tough environment with barely a month until the election, as he acknowledged hours before the debate by effectively pulling his campaign out of Michigan, a Democratic state where Mr. McCain's advisers had once been optimistic of victory.


"This is going to help stop the bleeding," said Todd Harris, a Republican consultant who worked for Mr. McCain in his first presidential campaign. "But this alone won't change the trend line, particularly in some of the battleground states."

Wall Street Journal: Palin held "her own against her senior vice-presidential rival":

A confident, folksy Sarah Palin attacked the Democratic presidential ticket on taxes and partisanship, holding her own against her senior vice-presidential rival. Joe Biden, assiduously avoiding any direct attacks on his opponent, kept his focus trained on the top of the ticket, charging again and again that Palin's partner, John McCain, wants to give tax breaks to the rich and deregulate the economy.


Asked about the economy, Palin suggested talking to a parent at a soccer game. "I'll betcha you're going to hear some fear in that parent's voice," she said. Asked who was to blame for the subprime lending crisis, she said, "Darn right it was the predator lenders."

The Washington Post: "One debate will not erase doubts that have been building about Palin's capacity to serve as vice president":

One debate will not erase doubts that have been building about Palin's capacity to serve as vice president, but the effect of the encounter may shift the focus away from the sideshow that Palin has become and put it back on the two presidential nominees and what they would do for the country. Thursday's debate adds to the importance of the two remaining presidential debates, the first of which will be held Tuesday.


Palin produced at a moment McCain needed it most. In the past two weeks, his standing has deteriorated as the focus of national attention has shifted almost entirely to the economy. National and state polls show Obama gaining ground, and the preface to the debate Thursday was the news that McCain is pulling out of Michigan, once seen as a potential pickup.


The Politico's Roger Simon
: "You betcha Sarah Palin can debate":

But if people thought she was going to look like a dumb bunny for 90 minutes, they were disappointed. She said what she wanted to say, and she was so relaxed she even winked at one point. Really! An actual wink during a national debate, when she said she was going to try to get John McCain to change his mind about not drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
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Do people care about such stuff? Should all that down-home talk and body language really count? Joe Biden doesn't think so.

AP: "Americans watching the vice presidential candidates' debate agreed that Gov. Sarah Palin's performance exceeded their generally low expectations"

From a bowling alley called the Lucky Strike in Miami Beach to a smoky barroom in Wasilla, Alaska, many Americans watching the vice presidential candidates' debate agreed that Gov. Sarah Palin's performance exceeded their generally low expectations. Whether she did well enough against Sen. Joe Biden is another matter.


Brian Elias, co-owner of the Lucky Strike, had to give Palin her props.

"I thought she held her own. I'm much more impressed than I thought I'd be," said Elias, 45, who is a registered Republican but doesn't know whom he'll vote for. "My expectation was that her performance would make it easier for me to pick Obama, but her performance kept me undecided."

But others in the crowd of more than 100 watching CNN coverage saw it differently.

"She's the queen of generalities," 27-year-old Tami Toussaint, a law school graduate who is currently unemployed, said of Palin. "I don't think she's a dumb person, I just think she's out of her league."

Below is a collection of reactions to Thursday night's vice presidential debate between Governor Sarah Palin and Senator Joe Biden. For HuffPost bloggers reactions - including Bob Shrum, Madeleine Al...
Below is a collection of reactions to Thursday night's vice presidential debate between Governor Sarah Palin and Senator Joe Biden. For HuffPost bloggers reactions - including Bob Shrum, Madeleine Al...
 
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Why does the GOP only like beautiful women? That seems to be the message they keep floating. During the debate why did Palin wink and turn around? Was all of that to promote her sex appeal to men? It seems that the GOP"s beliefs and message says that when a woman is a candidate issues do not matter, the real priority is does she look good and can she follow orders. Is this the reason why the GOP spent so much time on the message that Hillary was old and ugly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 10/04/2008
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Always make sure to look at the details of the poll results. Some Republicans are saying that Palin did better and are citing some conservative-based polls or some like SurveyUSA. There's nothing wrong with looking at left-based or right-based polls as long as you recognize the source. It helps to make an informed decision. In other cases, read the details of the survey.

For example, the SurveyUSA poll, which is touted as non-partisan, measured Ohio "residents" response to the debates. They show 37% say Palin was the winner, 38% say Biden was the winner, and 24% say no winner. At first blush, this looks to support a "strategist" stating that it was a tie. On further analysis of the details, at least by SurveyUSA's own information, the sample group was heavily skewed to respondents that were 75+ years old. How skewed is it? There are eight age categories in the survey and the 75+ group is the only group in the survey that had enough sample size to make the analysis meaningful. This age group overwhelmingly supports McCain/Palin in the general demographic by 17+%. In contrast, Obama is supported overwhelmingly by the under-35 age group. As such, the numbers can't be taken at face value, but I;ll guarantee you that any Republican strategist that references this survey, won't mention the skewed demographic base of the survey. Remember that the devil is in the details, Dig deep to see what you are really getting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 10/04/2008

Biden was almost perfect, I listened to every word and understood perfectly as he spoke.
Palin would just keep talking and talking and going round and round. Two or three times, I forgot what the question was. After awhile of just hearing her voice.. I caught myself so board... I started imagining her naked......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 AM on 10/04/2008

What did you see?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 AM on 10/04/2008

Now the part about "so board" is funny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 10/04/2008

So,Joe Biden said that if Barack Obama were to die in office, that would be a "national tragedy of historic proportion." Really? I suppose that might be true if you were a self-appointed messiah, sent to save the helpless citizens of this great country of ours. But let"s get real.
Hurricane Katrina was a national tragedy of historic proportion.
Pearl Harbor was a national tragedy of historic proportion.
The September, 2001 terrorist attacks against our country was a national tragedy of historic proportion.
The killing of 4,000 babies each and every day continues to be a national tragedy of historic proportion.
But the death of a sitting President? Sure, it would be a sad, unfortunate event. But to call it a "national tragedy of historic proportion" only serves to illuminate the self-centered opinion Obama and Biden have of themselves. If Obama gets elected, I"m afraid the first thing he would do is spend millions of dollars enlarging the Oval Office to fit his ego.
We certainly could use just a bit more humility from our leaders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 10/04/2008

The conversation on Bill Maher's show tonight (10/3) was really entertaining. You have to be old enough to get what Gary Shandling said in order to know how laugh-out-loud funny it was. He said watching Biden handle Palin during the debate was like watching Johnny Carson handle Charro.
Best and funniest description I've seen so far.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 10/04/2008
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Shandling was quite funny, but also dead on in his commentary, even if he does have a quirky delivery style.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 10/04/2008

Compare the education and intellectual armor of the Founding Fathers with the current moral midget in the White House and the vicious and vacuous lady-pretender from Alaska. This is a very bad omen for the country that people like Bush and Palin can be considered for the high positions of the land.

American Devolution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 10/04/2008

Why do these "expert" journalists keep acting like she did o.k? She certainly did not. They cite examples that she attacked Biden and so forth. But just attacking someone is not good enough. She was totally clueless about what to do when he answered her with facts and turned the tables on her many times about McCain's record (of which she seemed to know nothing)! She didn't answer most of the questions put to her, memorized her notes while he was talking, then when her turn, just spouted off what she had just memorized.REGARDLESS of what the question was. She even went so far as to say she wasn't necessarily going to answer the questions put to her!!!

Confident? Yeah, if you like the sort of confidence exuded by our next Miss USA!

Talk about sexism! If a man had failed this abysmally, we would call it what is is! Because she is a woman, she gets a free pass. Hell, I'll take it one step further: if she was a plain or homely woman, she would have been run out of town on a rail after that performance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 10/04/2008

TOTALLY AGREE!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 10/04/2008
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A preview of next week's debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63SRpGXBHE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 10/04/2008

Last night I felt very safe watching and listening to Joe Biden.
It time for America, to start to feel safe again.

Obama/Biden 2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 10/03/2008

Earlier today I was in a bar and the lady on the stool next to me told the bartender that Governor Palin made Senator Biden look stupid. There are people who really believe things like that, because they want to badly enough. And I'm scared of believing bad things about Governor Palin and Senator McCain just because I want to. I really need some help from them to help me hold on to my objectivity. When Governor Palin participates in a debate where she ignores the questions and just takes the opportunity to say what she wants to say it reminds me of all the things I've read and heard about her governing style, which I would compare to the Bush-Cheney style of the executive with all the exceptions. And that ain't helping.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 10/03/2008

That lady in the bar is a reminder to all of us that we have to avoid complacency.
Those numbnuts are out there and every time they go to their churches they are reminded to vote, vote, vote for McCain-Palin. There are many of them, and they're organized.
Stay active. Stay committed.

And thanks for reminding us all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 10/04/2008
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Polls are what count, not biased editorials.

The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. said 51 percent of those polled thought Biden did the best job, while 36 percent thought Palin did the best job.
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On the question of the candidates' qualifications to assume the presidency, 87 percent of those polled said Biden is qualified and 42 percent said Palin is qualified.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/03/debate.poll/?iref=hpmostpop

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 10/03/2008

Polls mean little. Think of the polling after the Bush-Kerry debates. THREE OF THEM in which people said Kerry did better. Look who won.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 10/04/2008

The Stateman Vs. the elementary school cheerleader!!!!! LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 10/03/2008

She did better than I expected, but my expectations, like everyone else's, were pretty low. I think she staunched the arterial bleeding, but the wound remains unhealed. She's not qualified, and it's not possible to bring her up to appropriately vice presidential speed in a month. It doesn't really change my vote; it was never John McCain's to lose. His choice of running mate has sent my opinion of him into a deep nose dive, though. It was impulsive, hasty, and Palin's vetting was sloppy. If McCain is sinking in the polls due to her, it's his own fault.

Obama took several weeks, did exhaustive vetting, resisited all outside pressure, then chose Joe Biden. The decision paid off well for him, last night. Biden's command of foreign policy, of facts and statistics was impressive last night. He was disciplined and his answers were on topic, and he cut Palin off at the knees effectively on the "maverick" issue and that of Cheney and the actual, appropriate powers of hte Vice-Presidency, and at tying John McCain to George Bush. He was courteous to Governor Palin did not talk down to her or bully her, but he won that debate handily.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 10/03/2008
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Actually, she did worse than I expected. Before the debate, I kept reading how Biden better watch out, what a great debater she was, etc., etc., etc. -- Not. To my immense relief. And I watched every freaking second of that debate, started to finish (had to force myself, but I did it).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 10/03/2008
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I would agree. I watched some of her Alaska debates and thought she did a far better job in those, so I was expecting more from her, even though it still wasn't what I knew I'd see from Biden in terms of content. Biden did a great job of steering the debate at Bush and McCain and away from Palin where he knows she had been prepped. He knew that she wasn't going to defend Bush and so she would have to defend McCain. She had some prep on that, except that most of her prep was going on the offensive for McCain and not necessarily defending him. That's what made some of her responses seem disjointed or off of the mark. It was also the kinds of things that tripped her up. Anytime that there was something that happened that she wasn't ready for, she skipped to the next talking point ,,, like when Biden choked up about his kids recovery from the wreck.

It reminded me of watching a team play another team that has an average defense except for a great safety. Rather than go right at the safety and try to take them out directly, Biden just threw short passes, screen passes, play-action fakes, and passes the other side of the field and effectively neutralized the opponent. It was the first step in a strategy that will work for the rest of the election cycle ... make Palin a non-issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 10/04/2008

I agree. I recently read some blogs on FoxNews which was so ridiculous! I tried to post one stating my opinion and they kept deleting me! I had to start over four times before giving up! you can't say anything negative about her. They won't let you. I expressed my views about the debate last night. I stated that I thought that she skirted around the issues, was cold and unsympathetic during Biden's tender moment expressing feelings about his late wife,and that although she was "coherent" this time, there were no "meat and potatoes replies to questions asked, or anything of substance replied, unlike Biden. They clicked me off! Jst deleted me like that! I just shook my head and laughed! They must think everyone's stupid; and will begin to believe that she's the "second coming if there's nothing but positive blogs!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 10/03/2008

im watching h&c on fox.theyre running a series of poll results regarding the vp debate.all the inside numbers,yet for some reason theyre not running the results of "who won the debate".maybe because there is no poll which suggests palin won?i mean isnt that normally the first number you put up there?if you only watched fox news the past 24 hours,you would think sarah palin not only won the debate but ended...excuse me WON the war in iraq(whatever that means),fixed our economy and cured world hunger.
apparently,this "real sarah palin" conservatives continue to laud,only shows up when she is heavily scripted or reading from a teleprompter.the one who is fielding softball questions from a chherful grinning katie couric,is this other palin,mostly a creation of the msm.
yes,the real sarah palin is this sort of folksy cartoonish maverick type.a bizarre frightening rovian mutation of yosimmity sam and betty boop.and one more thing-who exactly are all these "real americans" who identify with her?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 10/03/2008

I watched Thursday's debate when it was over_my vision was blurry due to my eyes spinning counter clockwise and my ears had started to bleed_a single recurring thought We are in deep .. after watching Mr Damon's video I read through the posted comments_I find it interesting that those who didn't agree with Matt's comments (May I call you Matt?) chose to respond with such intellectually challenged yet inspired responses as:"Another g*d da*n limp wristed effeminate" (whats your basis for comparison?) and "Another muscle head. Just do your little movies (little? they made millions) and don't spend so much time looking in the mirror" Couldn't make an argument without resorting to grade school Colloquialisms Sara dinosaurs were roaming the globe 4000yrs ago but In Alaska they wore white sweaters. Why did Matt Damon decide to air his views?..maybe like uz and most of you'all

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 10/03/2008
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