Poland Pulling Troops Out Of Iraq

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VANESSA GERA | October 4, 2008 02:12 PM EST | AP

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U.S. military commander in Iraq General Raymond Odierno, left, talks to Polish Commander Major General Andrzej Malinowski before the start of the Polish soldiers end of mission ceremony in their military Camp Echo in Diwaniyah, 130 kilometers (80 miles) south of Baghdad, Iraq, Saturday, Oct. 4, 2008. (AP hoto/Ceerwan Aziz, Pool)

DIWANIYAH, Iraq — Poland turned over control of an area south of Baghdad to American troops on Saturday, making it the latest in a string of countries to leave the dwindling U.S.-led coalition.

But even as Polish troops head home from Iraq, their government is boosting troop levels in Afghanistan and preparing for a U.S. missile defense base in Poland.

As a band played Poland's anthem, Polish soldiers hoisted their nation's red and white flag on a parade field at their main base, Camp Echo, just outside of Diwaniyah.

Maj. Gen. Andrzej Malinowski, the top Polish commander in Iraq, then knelt on the gravel-covered field and ceremoniously kissed a sky blue banner with the words "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and the image of a dove.

The top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. Ray Odierno said "the timing is right" for Poland's withdrawal thanks to a sharp drop in violence that is also allowing the U.S. to slightly cut troop levels and transfer more responsibility to Iraqis.

But some Poles say that leaving as things are getting better means the eastern European country could miss out on economic rewards in Iraq. That's the view of Leszek Miller, who was the Polish prime minister when the country joined the U.S.-led coalition in 2003.

"I don't think it's a good time to leave Iraq," Miller told The Associated Press on Friday. "Now in Iraq, the situation is stabilizing and the time has come for economic benefits."

But Polish Defense Minister Bogdan Klich said there is still hope for building those economic ties.

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"Completing our mission doesn't mean we finish our engagement with this country," he said during the ceremony. Poland, he added, is interested "in collaborating in the sphere of economy, finances and business with the hosts of this land."

Polish special forces fought in the initial 2003 invasion, and the country went on to command an international coalition that at its peak included troops from more than 20 other countries and oversaw five provinces south of Baghdad.

At first, Poland kept 2,500 soldiers in the country, but the numbers gradually fell to 900. Several countries once under Polish command _ Spain, most memorably _ bolted years ago.

Looking back, Polish military and political leaders say the Iraq experience has given the ex-communist country's long untested military invaluable combat experience that has helped it transform into a modern force that can hold its own in NATO, which it joined in 1999.

"Our army today, after the mission in Iraq, is completely different. Before the mission we didn't know what it was capable of because it hadn't participated in a conflict, and had only fought on training fields," Miller said. "The skills that Polish generals and officers attained in Iraq, the experience, make the army far more efficient than before."

Stanislaw Koziej, a retired general and deputy defense minister from 2005-2006, said commanding the multinational mission gave Poland "an experience that very few countries _ other than superpowers _ have."

"Up until 2003, Poland was treated more like a third- or fourth-tier country," Koziej said. But now, its "voice is listened to more seriously" within NATO and the European Union.

The conflict initially enjoyed popular support in Poland but quickly lost it as the insurgency took off and Saddam Hussein's alleged weapons of mass destruction failed to surface.

Disillusion deepened when the expected fruits of the country's sacrifice _ vast economic opportunities for Polish companies in Iraq _ failed to materialize.

That bitterness, however, has been relegated to the past, with Polish-U.S. ties stronger than ever. In August, Poland agreed to let the United States place a missile defense base on its territory, part of a European system that Washington says is aimed against possible future missile attacks from Iran.

Poland is also in the process this fall of increasing troop levels from 1,200 to 1,600 in Afghanistan, where it trains Afghan soldiers and provides security along an 180-mile stretch of road between the capital of Kabul and Kandahar.

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Associated Press Writer Ryan Lucas contributed to this report from Warsaw, Poland.

DIWANIYAH, Iraq — Poland turned over control of an area south of Baghdad to American troops on Saturday, making it the latest in a string of countries to leave the dwindling U.S.-led coalition. ...
DIWANIYAH, Iraq — Poland turned over control of an area south of Baghdad to American troops on Saturday, making it the latest in a string of countries to leave the dwindling U.S.-led coalition. ...
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Tryng to think of a war in which Polish military actually made a difference... hmmmm oh yes, in XVI Century.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 10/04/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 161 fans permalink

Poland--the country that always bore the brunt of the Russian Bear's aggression, and paid dearly, while Europe drank champagne!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 10/04/2008

How melodramatic: Bear.... champagne... Soviet Union demanded a buffer zone after the horrific loses in WW2 and they got it. Polish communists were happy to oblige and formed a popular and stable government that lasted 50 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 10/05/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 161 fans permalink

And, let's not forget the resistance of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto in WW2, and the huge numbers of Nazi troops they diverted with their determination. They were Poles! They were Jews, but they were Poles first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 10/04/2008

Yes, 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was heroic and helped the war effort. Like any other resistance movement events through out Europe. Most Poles, made sure that Jews were identified and segregated in the Ghetto. There was heroic support by Polish communists and few other Polish resistance groups. Huge number of troops? No. It took about 5000 troops, some SS plus Ukrainians, Poles, Latvians and other collaborators.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 10/05/2008

Polish military made a difference in World War 2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_contribution_to_World_War_II

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 10/04/2008

Polish soldiers fought well under leadership of others ( Brits, Soviets). But on their own their contribution was negligible. Besides trying to invade and bully Ukrainian lands into Catholicism, Poland were militarily a footnote in European history. Russians, French, Swedes, Germans, Prussians, Austrians always used Poland as a doormat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 10/05/2008

Wow, you're an idiot!? The Poles managed an empire very nicely for quite a while, that included parts of what is now Russia, Germany, Hungary. The Poles were, and probably still are, masters of strategy. Their problem at the start of WWII was not that they were incapable or unwilling, but that they had unwittingly allowed themselves to become complacent while the Germans were rebuilding their military might. They fought heroically and lost spectacularly. The Russians, in typical fashion, were the jackals waiting until the fight was lost before coming to the "aid" of Poland, only to take what they could for themselves.
Poland was a highly civilized and cultured country while Russians were still living in caves! Oh yeah, they still are, I forgot.
Semper fi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 AM on 10/05/2008

They fought heroically and lost spectacularly ---- is the history of Polish military through out the ages. That's why were were also a doormat. Deal with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 10/05/2008
- Stilts9 I'm a Fan of Stilts9 53 fans permalink
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I guess the Poles finally realized that there aren't any WMD to be found.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 10/04/2008

ROFLMFAO!!! Yup. And what does that say about US? LOL

Funniest thing I've read all day!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 10/05/2008

Or they simply ran out of kielbasa.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 10/05/2008

So America is the butt of the latest Polish joke!!! ...And the Poles are upset they're leaving NOW...only because they might miss out on some of the loot at the end of the Iraqi rainbow??? What great NATO allies!! NOT!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 10/04/2008
- Driver125 I'm a Fan of Driver125 5 fans permalink

So, the Coalition of the Coerced has lost another member. Sigh.....And these buzzards still have the nerve to complain that they have not had the opportunity to pick the last meat off of Iraq's bones? Tough luck, boys. Believe us, you will be better off living a long, quiet life back in Poland.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 10/04/2008

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 10/04/2008

Ah,you're yelling and spamming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 10/05/2008
- larry278 I'm a Fan of larry278 50 fans permalink

Has anyone ever translated the words of "Annie Had a Baby" into Polish? The Polish leaving Iraq reminds me of the lines, "...now it's known & understood, that's what happens when the getting gets good...Annie had a baby. Annie can't work no more...". The getting [out of Iraq] may not get better than now.
If the USA isn't out of Iraq within 16 months of 1/20/09, the getting [out] will get much worse. How will whom ever is POTUS #44 respond if 60 or more US troops become de facto POW's of any Iraqi faction or separate factions? What happens if US POW's are rendered to Iran or N Korea or elsewhere?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 10/04/2008
- foxbat I'm a Fan of foxbat 111 fans permalink
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Guess that's one more country that won't be a US ally if McCain becomes president. Wait a minute? Where are they going to end up putting all of missiles for the European missile shield that Bush just negotiated with Poland? Maybe Georgia might want them, NOT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 10/04/2008

For many year, American make joke on Polski. Now, Polski make joke on American ! Ha ha ha ! Joke on you it very funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 10/04/2008
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

This just goes to show how the liberal press distorts the imagined accomplishments of President Pan's delusional foreign policy.

Of course, Poland is withdrawing.

Has no one out there been paying attention? The surge is "working".

Now, you're probably asking why our troops aren't coming home.

Well, after throwing a party, the host always leaves last.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 10/04/2008
- ralph10 I'm a Fan of ralph10 24 fans permalink
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Well heck. They should use that surge in Afghanistan then and any wars in the future because it works so well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 10/04/2008
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

I think the next application will be in the current presidential campaign.

Just how much will you have to be paid not to vote for Brother Neo but to vote for Honest John?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 10/04/2008
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Will this withdrawal from Iraq put Poland on McCains $*it list along with Spain? Only time will tell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 10/04/2008

Of course not, Poland is a neocon tool, with this whole missile shield project.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 10/04/2008

And remember, the Polish also see Russia from their houses!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 10/04/2008
- DCato I'm a Fan of DCato 4 fans permalink

No, McCain will always care for Poland -- but only because he thinks it's that country in Central America where he was born.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 10/04/2008
- secret38b I'm a Fan of secret38b 12 fans permalink
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Soon, the U.S. Military will need us 45 to 60 yr olds.....DAMN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 10/04/2008
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Good for them! War is not the answer. It has never been.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 10/04/2008
- aturner18 I'm a Fan of aturner18 6 fans permalink
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I think the colonist, blacks and jews would disagree considering it took war to free them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 10/04/2008

The right war at the right time IS sometimes necessary...like WW2!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 10/04/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 161 fans permalink

If you consider enriching the Rothschilds worthwhile.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 10/04/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 161 fans permalink

No, but as you well know, resistance by a determined people can make a difference. Budapest in 1956 caused the Soviets to think twice before trying such heavy handed tactics with the Magyars again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 10/04/2008

Soviets didn't NEED to do it twice. The Huns got the message on the first try. Next you gonna say that Huns won in 1956.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 10/05/2008

Can you point to a specific example of a country that succeeded with pacifism? I cannot think of a single one! War is often the only answer, as it was for Poland, France, Belgium, England, Philippines, and America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 10/05/2008
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