Rachel Maddow, Pat Buchanan TV's New Odd Couple

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DAVID BAUDER | October 5, 2008 12:32 PM EST | AP

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In this image released by MSNBC, Rachel Maddow from MSNBC's "The Rachel Maddow Show," is shown on Sept. 23, 2008. (AP Photo/ MSNBC, Ali Goldstein)

NEW YORK — At 19, Rachel Maddow shared a house with friends in Philadelphia and wasn't paying much attention to the 1992 Republican National Convention on television until Pat Buchanan took to the podium.

She was transfixed. Buchanan's combative conservative speech, which denounced gay rights, was a milestone for people on two sides of a political divide. Either a call to arms or intolerant, depending on your point of view, it couldn't be ignored.

"Pat's culture war speech at the Republican convention hit me right between the eyes," said Maddow, MSNBC's new star and a lesbian. "He was, without euphemism, declaring that my own country was at war with me. I get it intellectually and strategically now, but at 19, I only got it emotionally."

So there's a certain irony that Maddow and Buchanan have a prime-time date many nights now on television.

"It's Pat" is a semi-regular feature on "The Rachel Maddow Show," a program that has surprised even the people who put it on with its success after only a month on the air.

Maddow is a regular on the liberal "Air America" radio network and had appeared frequently on MSNBC, particular on Keith Olbermann's "Countdown." She was given the 9 p.m. EST slot when network executives judged Dan Abrams' show a failure.

Its second week on the air, Maddow's audience was bigger than CNN's "Larry King Live." King won the third week and the two are settling into what promises to be a competitive battle behind Fox News Channel's dominant "Hannity & Colmes." During the week of Sept. 22, Fox's show averaged 3.2 million, CNN had 2.1 million and Maddow was at 1.7 million.

She has more than doubled the audience that MSNBC had been getting in the time slot, according to Nielsen Media Research, and is keeping much of the audience that watches Olbermann.

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Naysayers told MSNBC chief executive Phil Griffin that Maddow would be too much like Olbermann, and there was a risk in turning his prime-time lineup completely over to one political point of view.

Instead, Maddow is something of a happy warrior compared to Olbermann's increasingly dark prince. The Rhodes Scholar can lap almost anyone intellectually without making you hate her for doing it.

"She's likeable," Griffin said. "She smiles, she has fun. She's interesting."

If Olbermann's show has a drumbeat that drives it, Maddow's "got a little bit of a symphony," he said.

She also doesn't back down from a fight. Olbermann's "Countdown" is well-written and meticulous, but he relies on guests who rarely disagree with him.

Maddow frequently brings on guests to argue with her, none more so than Buchanan.

He can exasperate her, and vice versa. To date, it hasn't become nasty.

To a certain extent, Maddow credits Buchanan with giving her television career a push. A few years ago when Buchanan hosted a show at MSNBC, he remembered her and sought her out for work.

"I like debating things with Pat," Maddow said. "He's funny and quick and intellectually coherent, even when his views are totally toxic."

Thinking back to the culture war speech, Maddow sees how one of Buchanan's contribution to Nixon-era politics was the idea of "positive polarization," or dividing the country against itself and siding politically with the bigger half.

Buchanan, by e-mail, said that "Rachel and I get along fine," but didn't elaborate since he prefers not to participate in feature stories about MSNBC shows. He's a paid MSNBC contributor, but the cable network has become particularly noxious to Republicans, mostly because of Olbermann.

Griffin said he liked how Maddow and Buchanan played off each other during MSNBC's primary coverage in the spring. "They're 180 degrees apart but they like each other," he said.

Maddow is still juggling several ideas around, even with the fast start.

"Every segment, every minute of the show is still a work in progress," she said. "We're still trying to figure out what works best on air, what we're capable of producing well, what's fun. I expect that if we're lucky enough to still be on the air in a year, the show will look very different than it does now."

Her show completes the transformation of MSNBC, in prime-time, into a politically liberal network ("Countdown" and "The Rachel Maddow Show" repeat in another two-hour block at 10 p.m. EST). That has caused some consternation at NBC News, where some feel that MSNBC has damaged the network's reputation for impartiality. NBC was targeted for angry chants at the GOP convention, and John McCain's campaign pointedly snubbed Brian Williams in giving Sarah Palin interviews to Charles Gibson of ABC and Katie Couric of CBS.

Griffin feels the ratings prove that on cable, shows with a strong point of view have the best chance of success.

A board hanging in Maddow's NBC office is filled with scribbles, mostly indecipherable, of potential topics for her shows. It's still so new that the nameplate outside is blank.

"I still haven't really figured out when I'm supposed to be where, and how to make sure there's time in every day to do things like eat and sleep and read my e-mail," she said.

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EDITOR'S NOTE _ David Bauder can be reached at dbauder"at"ap.org

NEW YORK — At 19, Rachel Maddow shared a house with friends in Philadelphia and wasn't paying much attention to the 1992 Republican National Convention on television until Pat Buchanan took to t...
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- AnalyzeIT I'm a Fan of AnalyzeIT 65 fans permalink
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When Rachel is talking this man, (Pat) needs to shut the "F" up.

He thinks he's on Fox News, etc. We watch MSNBC to get away from the yelling and talking over the host when they're talking.

Pat, when you make your "guest apperances" , (which we hope are few) SHUT UP - CALM DOWN and do NOT interrupt Rachel when she is talking, we tune in to her show to hear what she's saying.

Obama-Biden 2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 10/26/2008
- AZTrueBlue I'm a Fan of AZTrueBlue 3 fans permalink

I ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT STAND PAT BUCHANAN!
HE SAYS THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS THINGS, USING HIS MOST ANNOYING VOICE.
HE STANDS FOR ALL THINGS BAD ABOUT CONSERVATISM!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 10/24/2008

Pat,
My background is similar to yours - Big-city (Chicago) Irish-Catholic, Jesuit-educated. My family was mostly (trade union) Democrat. I have been more mixed, hated Nixon, pro-Bush I, frightened about Bush II early, through despising him as time went on. I cannot stomach hypocrites of any stripe - so politics is dfficult for me to watch. I am sure that there are any number of issues on which we disagree. Nonetheless, I have a great deal of trouble figuring your public position on the Powell endorsement. It is very troubling to have you connected so closely to Rush Limbaugh - the only explanation that I can imagine has to do with Limbaugh's earnings projections. 'Tis a pity. Mike O'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 10/21/2008
- jimspy I'm a Fan of jimspy 15 fans permalink
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Did anyone watch Rachel Maddow last night? What was up with that camera? Did the GOP plant a cameraman on the set to sabotage the show? Inquiring minds want to know...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 10/18/2008
- newshawk14 I'm a Fan of newshawk14 8 fans permalink

This is a classic retelling of the story "Beauty and the Beast."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 AM on 10/08/2008
- BOin08 I'm a Fan of BOin08 7 fans permalink

Yes, Rachel is a home run for MSNBC. Keith is the AA player who moved into the bigs too soon. He's over matched at every level. Time to move KO back down to the minors and put Rachel into the strating line-up on prime time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 10/07/2008
- Yurdelite I'm a Fan of Yurdelite 26 fans permalink

Bull. If it was not for her filling in for Keith, she would not be where she is this fast and she knows it. So, back off Keith because he was the ONLY ONE STANDING UP to the REPUBLICAN SP IN
MA CHINE and still is. Campbell Brown is a wanna be and she cannot touch Rachel.

Rachel and Keith make a good one, two punch for CNN and Faux News.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 10/23/2008
- Golfer59 I'm a Fan of Golfer59 10 fans permalink
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"Odd Couple" until Pat tells her to shut up!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 10/07/2008
- Yurdelite I'm a Fan of Yurdelite 26 fans permalink

Oh no, Pat would NEVER say that to a white woman--disrespecting her that way--no way...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 10/23/2008

the thing i like about buchanan is that despite his extreme views is smart and funny, unlike OReilly who is just stupid and boorish

hey intimidation of the media works!! why isnt the Keating 5 or Pastor Muthie or Palin's connection to the Alaska Independence Party getting more coverage by the supposed liberal media...only rachel and keith are covering it..... ABC esp. are showing all the attacks about the weather underground which are getting full coverage (would be funny to see palin's answer if asked who the Weather Underground were)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 10/07/2008
- Ironquill I'm a Fan of Ironquill 14 fans permalink

I love Rachel and I have been trying to cut Buchanan a break. Buchanan is the embodiment of the have-not angry white voter so professional politicians would do well to learn from him. For my part, I have had it. Last night I was literally sickened by his venom. Why do I want a hate monger like him into my pysche? Of course, watching Rudy Guiliani this morning, it is clear that Republicans want to make this so sleazy that people will tune out. They want me to have the reaction I had. This negativity and audacious lying has worked in the past, but this time around Democrats are on it and have their registration and ground game well in progress. I think that within the next four years, the advent of sites like this will make cable news increasingly more irrelevant. I know that should McCain win this election, I will instantly cancel my cable subscription.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 10/07/2008
- newshawk14 I'm a Fan of newshawk14 8 fans permalink

I am not a fan of Pat Buchanan, but his one saving grace along with that of Richard
Nixon, is their streak of populism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 10/08/2008
- toocoldout I'm a Fan of toocoldout 20 fans permalink

MSNBC has a great lineup every night. Chris Mathews, Kieth, and now Rachel who is sensational. They also have really smart contributing guests like Howard Fineman

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 10/07/2008
- armyman72 I'm a Fan of armyman72 3 fans permalink
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Rachel Maddow is a real American hero!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 10/07/2008

She is a hero. Is there a prestigious award for raising the quality of public discourse? Nobel? Pulitzer? Oscar? All of the above? She gets my vote. Between her and Stephen Colbert, there is hope for this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 10/07/2008
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 150 fans permalink

On the news tonight it was mentioned that it looks like Proposition 8 may pass here in California. That is the proposition banning gay marriages.

Every single person I have spoken to says they are against the proposition, but apparently it may pass. How sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 AM on 10/07/2008
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 150 fans permalink

I think I get the whole thing between Pat and Rachel. As she said, even though he can be toxic, he is at least intellectually coherent, and it looks like they work well together. While most of the rest of the now neo-con dominated GOP refuses to even acknowledge Rachel or her show, old-fashioned Goldwater-era Pat comes on and treats her with respect. I get it. Words are one thing, actions are another, and by treating each other with respect they are showing America how it's supposed to be done. There is a subtext beneath the spoken words.

Please keep him on Rachel, and please keep up the good work. Your show is a ray of sunshine, and we love it. Looks to me like you will have a long and successful career on NBC, a well deserved one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 AM on 10/07/2008
- Marmann I'm a Fan of Marmann 8 fans permalink
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Well said. I couldn't agree more!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 10/07/2008
- Yurdelite I'm a Fan of Yurdelite 26 fans permalink

If he had said these things about YO UR people, would you still think he is so gre at? He's a b ig ot and a ra cist.

http://buchanan.org/blog/2008/03/pjb-a-brief-for-whitey/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 10/07/2008
- Yurdelite I'm a Fan of Yurdelite 26 fans permalink

Yeah like the way he di s respects this bla ck wom an and Rachel has to straighten him out because Dan the p u n k would not ber ate his fellow whi te m a n for this chick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SQPpCDbup0&feature=related

Pat Buchanan is so t o x i c that every time he sees Obama or talks about him his dis like is hard to miss. Old Alab ama Pat was right up there with the rest of the ra cists in Alabama in the '50's and '60's sticking it to black fol ks. He just has to do it in a different way these days.

Respect for Pat and his rabid other half Bay Buchanan is ZERO...they are rac ist s. Two for the pri ce of a h alf one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 10/07/2008
- bobbysgurl I'm a Fan of bobbysgurl 2 fans permalink

That woman has not been back on MSNBC since that day. Pat Buchanan was wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 10/07/2008
- bobbysgurl I'm a Fan of bobbysgurl 2 fans permalink

Pat Buchanan is a paid analyst for MSNBC. I love Rachel to pieces, but I cannot stand Pat Buchanan. He is too far right for my taste.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 10/07/2008
- toochie50 I'm a Fan of toochie50 13 fans permalink

I have to leave the room when she brings Buchanan on - i cannot stand the man -he is infactuated with Palin almost to a sickness. I agree with the other poster here - when does that man go home? He is on first thing at 6 a.m. on morning Joe and then til 10 at night - he really is pushing this rethug ticket isn't he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 10/07/2008
- FdeBear I'm a Fan of FdeBear 52 fans permalink

I like Rachel. She also has a stronger stomach than I. I can't get past his racism and demagoguery! I'm sorry Rachel, but when that son of a something comes on I turn down the sound that go do something else until the air is clear. I detest him. Can't they find some other hate/fear monger for her to debate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 10/07/2008
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