Rachel Maddow, Pat Buchanan TV's New Odd Couple

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DAVID BAUDER | October 5, 2008 12:32 PM EST | AP

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In this image released by MSNBC, Rachel Maddow from MSNBC's "The Rachel Maddow Show," is shown on Sept. 23, 2008. (AP Photo/ MSNBC, Ali Goldstein)

NEW YORK — At 19, Rachel Maddow shared a house with friends in Philadelphia and wasn't paying much attention to the 1992 Republican National Convention on television until Pat Buchanan took to the podium.

She was transfixed. Buchanan's combative conservative speech, which denounced gay rights, was a milestone for people on two sides of a political divide. Either a call to arms or intolerant, depending on your point of view, it couldn't be ignored.

"Pat's culture war speech at the Republican convention hit me right between the eyes," said Maddow, MSNBC's new star and a lesbian. "He was, without euphemism, declaring that my own country was at war with me. I get it intellectually and strategically now, but at 19, I only got it emotionally."

So there's a certain irony that Maddow and Buchanan have a prime-time date many nights now on television.

"It's Pat" is a semi-regular feature on "The Rachel Maddow Show," a program that has surprised even the people who put it on with its success after only a month on the air.

Maddow is a regular on the liberal "Air America" radio network and had appeared frequently on MSNBC, particular on Keith Olbermann's "Countdown." She was given the 9 p.m. EST slot when network executives judged Dan Abrams' show a failure.

Its second week on the air, Maddow's audience was bigger than CNN's "Larry King Live." King won the third week and the two are settling into what promises to be a competitive battle behind Fox News Channel's dominant "Hannity & Colmes." During the week of Sept. 22, Fox's show averaged 3.2 million, CNN had 2.1 million and Maddow was at 1.7 million.

She has more than doubled the audience that MSNBC had been getting in the time slot, according to Nielsen Media Research, and is keeping much of the audience that watches Olbermann.

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Naysayers told MSNBC chief executive Phil Griffin that Maddow would be too much like Olbermann, and there was a risk in turning his prime-time lineup completely over to one political point of view.

Instead, Maddow is something of a happy warrior compared to Olbermann's increasingly dark prince. The Rhodes Scholar can lap almost anyone intellectually without making you hate her for doing it.

"She's likeable," Griffin said. "She smiles, she has fun. She's interesting."

If Olbermann's show has a drumbeat that drives it, Maddow's "got a little bit of a symphony," he said.

She also doesn't back down from a fight. Olbermann's "Countdown" is well-written and meticulous, but he relies on guests who rarely disagree with him.

Maddow frequently brings on guests to argue with her, none more so than Buchanan.

He can exasperate her, and vice versa. To date, it hasn't become nasty.

To a certain extent, Maddow credits Buchanan with giving her television career a push. A few years ago when Buchanan hosted a show at MSNBC, he remembered her and sought her out for work.

"I like debating things with Pat," Maddow said. "He's funny and quick and intellectually coherent, even when his views are totally toxic."

Thinking back to the culture war speech, Maddow sees how one of Buchanan's contribution to Nixon-era politics was the idea of "positive polarization," or dividing the country against itself and siding politically with the bigger half.

Buchanan, by e-mail, said that "Rachel and I get along fine," but didn't elaborate since he prefers not to participate in feature stories about MSNBC shows. He's a paid MSNBC contributor, but the cable network has become particularly noxious to Republicans, mostly because of Olbermann.

Griffin said he liked how Maddow and Buchanan played off each other during MSNBC's primary coverage in the spring. "They're 180 degrees apart but they like each other," he said.

Maddow is still juggling several ideas around, even with the fast start.

"Every segment, every minute of the show is still a work in progress," she said. "We're still trying to figure out what works best on air, what we're capable of producing well, what's fun. I expect that if we're lucky enough to still be on the air in a year, the show will look very different than it does now."

Her show completes the transformation of MSNBC, in prime-time, into a politically liberal network ("Countdown" and "The Rachel Maddow Show" repeat in another two-hour block at 10 p.m. EST). That has caused some consternation at NBC News, where some feel that MSNBC has damaged the network's reputation for impartiality. NBC was targeted for angry chants at the GOP convention, and John McCain's campaign pointedly snubbed Brian Williams in giving Sarah Palin interviews to Charles Gibson of ABC and Katie Couric of CBS.

Griffin feels the ratings prove that on cable, shows with a strong point of view have the best chance of success.

A board hanging in Maddow's NBC office is filled with scribbles, mostly indecipherable, of potential topics for her shows. It's still so new that the nameplate outside is blank.

"I still haven't really figured out when I'm supposed to be where, and how to make sure there's time in every day to do things like eat and sleep and read my e-mail," she said.

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EDITOR'S NOTE _ David Bauder can be reached at dbauder"at"ap.org

NEW YORK — At 19, Rachel Maddow shared a house with friends in Philadelphia and wasn't paying much attention to the 1992 Republican National Convention on television until Pat Buchanan took to t...
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- kasv I'm a Fan of kasv 15 fans permalink

Rachel is extraordinary - best political "talk" show on teevee. And, God help me, I have found myself agreeing with Pat on one or two occasions, causing me to lose a night's sleep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 10/06/2008
- WriterGuy I'm a Fan of WriterGuy 10 fans permalink

I find myself agreeing with about half of what most libertarians say. It's the other half that's so scary...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 10/06/2008

Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann are keeping me sane during this campaign!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 10/06/2008
- coot I'm a Fan of coot 3 fans permalink

Me too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 10/06/2008

Rachel Rules!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 10/06/2008
- qdog112 I'm a Fan of qdog112 68 fans permalink
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MSNBC needs Pat as much as I detest him. He is as crooked as his old boss, "Tricky Dick"

The problem is they need him, lest they become FOX Noise - Left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 10/06/2008

Pat is a Dinosaur that slows and stagnates progress. I suppose the USA needs George Wallace and Bull Connor for balance too.

The USA is much better without negative, outdated views and Tactics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 10/06/2008
- donchep I'm a Fan of donchep 6 fans permalink

Rachel Maddow has the uncanny ability to make Pat likable enough. There's a certain avuncular quality in their relationship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 10/06/2008
- JJaycee I'm a Fan of JJaycee 2 fans permalink

I love Rachel Maddow and am very impessed wtih her knowledge. But, I wish she would ask Buchanan about his remarks that John McCain would be a war president and that he is very dangerous; that he would make George W. Bush look like a peace time president. I believe these comments were made on Meet the Press but I'm not sure. I have the audio in an email and it's clearly Buchanan but I'm not sure of its source.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 10/06/2008
- Taiyo I'm a Fan of Taiyo 39 fans permalink
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I have long tolerated Buchanan's right-wing rants, but when he said that Palin's VP debate performance was "sensational" and that she "wiped the floor with Biden," I lost all respect for him. He is so obviuosly smitten with Palin that he can't see through her facade. Everything about her is phony, even her cutesy, folksy way of speaking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 10/06/2008
- Earl I'm a Fan of Earl 90 fans permalink
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Well, maybe deep down, he's just Joe Sixpack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 10/06/2008

I agree with you! when he said that I change the channel to CNN because I knew what was coming. He drives me crazy! he is just in love with Palin. ahh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 10/06/2008

Rachel Maddow is fabulous. Wouldn't she make a fabulous VP? When you consider what JM offered up a a potential "first woman" in the office, I believe that Rachel would truly be "a breath of fresh air" and a actual "Maverick"! She would really shake things up. I think that she and Corey Booker would make one hell of a team. I would love to sit down to dinner with her, what a facinating evening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 10/06/2008

If not VP...she'd make a great press spokesperson!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 10/06/2008
- Kahill I'm a Fan of Kahill 7 fans permalink

The pursuit of ratings does make for strange bedfellows!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 10/06/2008
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'It's Pat' - Bwahahaha, and crazy old Uncle Pat doesn't get it!

"Many people did not care for Pat Buchanan's speech; it probably sounded better in the original German." -- Molly Ivins on Buchanan's speech at the 1992 Republican convention

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 10/06/2008

Love Rachel, she is a breath of fresh air.

http://www.cafepress.com/socaltees/5773082

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 10/06/2008

I would love to see her as host of Meet The Press. I think that while she does come from a left of center background, (so did South Buffalo's TIm Russert). I think she more than anyone else will push for an intellectually honest answer.

I could not agree more that Gregory, Williams and Brokaw are under prepared and vapid compared to Rachel. Superficially, she could not look more different than Tim Russert, but is his true heir. Gregory especially trades in the glib and the surface appearance of politics. Rachel has more there, "there". And oh, she is very prepared. Doesn't that sound like Tim?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 10/06/2008
- popizzy I'm a Fan of popizzy 4 fans permalink

Gregory is very boring to me....everytime he's on I change the channel

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 10/06/2008
- WRPrintz I'm a Fan of WRPrintz 12 fans permalink

I stopped watching his "after debate" hosting...he is boring, and not very insightful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 10/06/2008
- plooger I'm a Fan of plooger 14 fans permalink

Pat Buchanan is to Rachel... like a ball of yarn is to a cat.

> "I like debating things with Pat," Maddow said. "He's funny and quick and intellectually coherent, even when his views are totally toxic."

Reminds me of Obama's approach to the first debate... emphasizing points of agreement, but then differentiating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 10/06/2008
- Sammy00400 I'm a Fan of Sammy00400 4 fans permalink

A debate requires two different points of view. Olbermann does need to get more opposing views on his show occasionally. Pat is full of hot air but its fun to watch him debate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 10/06/2008

More opposing views? When has he ever had just one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 10/06/2008
- kylie I'm a Fan of kylie 25 fans permalink

After all the "conservative" viewpoints that dominate the political news networks, Olbermann deserves to have his "liberal viewpoints", he is representing the majority of Americans, and I think he and Rachel are great!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 10/06/2008
- missjabez I'm a Fan of missjabez 18 fans permalink
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Rachel Maddow has become my favorite host on MSNBC. Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann are a bit much at times--a little of them goes a long way. Dr. Maddow is charming, and though she is extremely intelligent, she expresses her views in a way that it is easy to understand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 10/06/2008
- dmsdzinr I'm a Fan of dmsdzinr 19 fans permalink

RACHEL RULES! It is OUTSTANDING to have a WOMAN of Rachel's caliber on TV. She is a Rising Star that will be ONE of THE TOP Journalist­s/Commenta­tors on the AIR within 1 YEAR!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 10/06/2008
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