Halperin On Ayers: As Stupid As It Gets

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First Posted: 10- 7-08 04:48 PM   |   Updated: 11- 7-08 05:12 AM

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Well everyone, it's time for another installment of "UGH...The Effing Page" with its zombie-prince proprietor, Mark Halperin. You know, it wasn't long ago that I actually praised Mark Halperin for a rare moment of making a lick of damn sense up in the newshole! I remember the date: it was September 10, and I was marveling at Halperin, passionately saying things on CNN such as, "I think this is the press just absolutely playing into the McCain campaign's crocodile tears," and, "This is a victory for the McCain campaign in the sense that every day they can make this a pig fight in the mud. It's good for them because it's reducing Barack Obama's message even more. But I think this is a low point in the day and one of the low days of our collective coverage of this campaign. To spend even a minute on [lipstick on a pig], I think, is amazing and outrageous."

But today, the man has got a video up on The Page in which he fully indulges himself in the "low point" of the campaign's latest "amazing and outrageous turn," namely, the reinjection of William Ayers into the political conversation. Mind you, we are at this point because the McCain campaign is all out ideas on how to win and can do nothing else, and we know that the McCain campaign is all out ideas on how to win and can do nothing else because this is precisely what they told the press at the start of this week! But McCain wants to jump off a bridge, and I guess Mark Halperin has to follow.

So he engages Obama campaign flack Robert Gibbs in an interminable interrogation over William Ayers, signaling that the exchange is going to be full-on idiotic by beginning the interview with this question: "Have you ever been on a board with any terrorists?" From there, Halperin accepts two aspects of the Ayers story as true: first, he acknowledges that it is clear that Obama, himself, does not support terrorism, domestic or otherwise, from the Weather Underground or anyone. Second, he's willing to accept that the two men enjoy no close friendship or relationship, and that William Ayers radical viewpoints are specifically divergent from Obama's. You'd think that, having accepted these two principles, there'd be little else to talk about.

But Halperin soon gets to his harangue, asking Gibbs repeatedly, "Does Barack Obama think it's okay to have professional associations with Bill Ayers?" In this case, remember, by "professional associations," Halperin means "coincidentally ending up on a pair of boards with each other." Halperin asks the question because there's really no way to answer it -- these "associations" happened in the past, which is immutable. Just as John McCain's associations with lefty radical David Ifshin are in the past and cannot be changed. But let's not leave Gibbs off the hook, either: Gibbs is here as a campaign flack, and so his answer has to be a safe, politic answer.

It's a dumb, purely gotcha question, and its one that Gibbs, as a P.R. man, cannot answer truthfully. So I will answer it truthfully: while it's never okay to associate with anyone in the commission of a criminal act, it is absolutely, and always, okay to associate professionally with William Ayers on such activities as the Annenberg Challenge board. And here's why.

In the first place, if you want to pin down the responsible party for putting Obama and Ayers in the room together on these boards, you really have to go to whoever is responsible for naming people to the board itself. Obama and Ayers have no say in the matter, other than to agree or disagree to participate. In my previous life as a government contractor, I assembled grant review boards all the time, and the task basically boiled down to this: find any warm body I could to fill the positions we needed filled. Acting in concert with the appropriate agency, I worked very hard to keep known idiots and antisocial weirdos off the panels, but if someone ridiculous ended up serving, that was on me -- the other people that I put in the room were not responsible.

But, you say! Once Barack Obama learned about William Ayers radical politics and criminal past, shouldn't he have left the board, refused to participate? Again, from my own experience as a government contractor, I'll say this: Thank God people don't actually do this! I would have rarely, if ever, completed a grant review process on schedule! But more to the point: why would someone in Obama's position, continue to serve alongside someone with a repellent point of view? Well, as it turns out, there are people out there that put what's good for other people ahead of what's good for them. It's possible that Obama is one of them!

If you're a budding politician, with ambition and a bright career, and you find yourself sitting on some sort of committee, that makes real decisions, with real impact, alongside someone who you, and others, find objectionable, you are absolutely entitled to quit. Why not? You just spared yourself some potential embarrassment down the road. You want to have a career in politics, right? Well, go ahead. Leave that committee! Wash your hands of it. No one's ever going to blame you for your decision. Indeed, in all likelihood, no one will ever even know about it.

Except for you of course! And one of the things you might have to accept, in quitting this hypothetical panel, is that your decision to quit has potentially increased the influence of a deluded radical over important decisions. If you're the type who puts themselves first, this will not bother you. But if you're the type who puts others first, can it not be said that you have an obligation to sit in that room and serve as a strong voice that shepherds the decision-making process away from someone who's viewpoint is toxic? Is it not your duty to offset the opinions and beliefs of a man like William Ayers? Isn't this why parents join the PTA? To ensure that the bad decisions of misguided people can be opposed?

Let's be absolutely clear. I am not trying to convince anyone that this was Obama's line of thinking. He'll have to do his own convincing on that regard. Honestly, it seems to me that Obama did not find cause to rigorously oppose Ayers' in the context of their professional associations, though I'll let his condemnation of Ayers' past stand as sincere. Personally speaking, I'm much more concerned about Obama's "friendship" with Tom Coburn, who's always seemed like an outright loon to me.

But practically speaking, there's nothing anyone can do about the fact that these two men "associated professionally" at some point in the past. It would appear, however, that for all the alarmist blather we've had to endure over the matter, these "professional associations" have done no discernible harm to our Republic. This is more than I can say for some more pressing, and current concerns that we face as a nation. But if Mark Halperin just cannot get back to being the person who a month ago decried the very nonsense he's now yammering into his flipcam without first getting an answer to his question, "Is it okay to have professional associations with Bill Ayers?" then the answer is yes. Now, please, let's move along.

Well everyone, it's time for another installment of "UGH...The Effing Page" with its zombie-prince proprietor, Mark Halperin. You know, it wasn't long ago that I actually praised Mark Halperin for a ...
Well everyone, it's time for another installment of "UGH...The Effing Page" with its zombie-prince proprietor, Mark Halperin. You know, it wasn't long ago that I actually praised Mark Halperin for a ...
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- Decipherer I'm a Fan of Decipherer 98 fans permalink

Having served in situations exactly as you describe, I appreciate the fact that there are people out there we should not forget who take the high road, looking beyond their own parochial self-interest to serve the larger good in spite of what other people might say or believe.

That's what used to be known as "character," a rather quaint notion nowadays.

We don't yet know whether Barack Obama decided to stay on that board for the reasons you describe, but I am much more inclined to believe that he would than I am about John McCain under similar circumstances (see commentary about his relationships with Gordon Libby, Gen. Singlaub, etc.).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 10/08/2008
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 520 fans permalink
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We free falling into a depression and all they can come up with is attacking yippies? Yeesh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 10/08/2008
- Bademus I'm a Fan of Bademus 12 fans permalink
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Here is a great post on Daily Kos about Ayers and the Annenburg Foundation that he served on the board of with Obama and other civic leaders, buisnessmen Republicans, Dems and Independants. A statement also by a former Republican Rep. saying the whole Ayers hoopla is just silly. It's a good read.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/7/131120/885/357/622049

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 10/08/2008
- novowel4me I'm a Fan of novowel4me 2 fans permalink

I notice in the debate tonight, all the questions were about the economy, healthcare and Iraq. Nobody gave a rats *** about William Ayers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 10/07/2008

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www.republicansareliars.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 10/07/2008

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 10/07/2008
- lainey I'm a Fan of lainey 44 fans permalink

I sit on a board with members whose names I do not know and therefore whose lives I am unaware. Should I discover that they have something in their past or current life that is unsavory, does that make me a "friend" or complicit? I think not. Let's use some common sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 10/07/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

Besides common sense, try using some research. You'd be amazed what you could learn if you get off of huffpo once in a while. Then you'll see how silly your comment sounds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 10/07/2008
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I have researched it and there is NOTHING to that story. Maybe you should quit watching Faux Noise and listening to Rush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 10/08/2008

the comment isn't silly at all, yours is. Who researches the background of people they happen to sit on a board with? How many boards have you been on? I've been on 2 and I can tell you for damn sure I wasn't on google doing research on fellow board members. These are not close friends and in fact you generally make an effort NOT to know too much about them to keep the relationship superficial and professional. You usually only see them once or twice a year at a board meeting!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 10/08/2008
- imfedup I'm a Fan of imfedup 42 fans permalink
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This does not constitute an argument. You do know that, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 10/08/2008
- betabeta I'm a Fan of betabeta 2 fans permalink

HI Lainey. I put something similar on CNN's blog last night and I don't think they ever cleared it for posting, but your argument is absolutely correct. I worked with a guy for 17 years only to have him confess to me he was a Klan member in his youth, but after becoming a born again Christian he left the Klan. I'm black... I continued to work with him for 3 more years (total 20 years)... does that make me a Klan supporter because I didn't quit my job? These republicans need to get a grip.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 10/08/2008
- Imago I'm a Fan of Imago 98 fans permalink
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"Have you ever been on a board with any terrorists?"

Are you now, or have you ever been, a communist?
Have you known any?

Joe McCarthy lives!

I'd hoped we'd outgrown this nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 10/07/2008
- imfedup I'm a Fan of imfedup 42 fans permalink
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And Reagan, John McCain's hero (although he seems to have a lot of them), was one of McCarthy's henchmen in Hollywood. It all makes sense, doesn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 10/08/2008

Obama camp cites SC school invites to Ayers
By SEANNA ADCOX – 1 hour ago

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Barack Obama's campaign is citing the University of South Carolina's speaking invitations to William Ayers and Republican Gov. Mark Sanford's role as school trustee to counter GOP efforts to link the presidential candidate to the 1960s radical.

The governor dismissed the effort as "totally bogus" and said he never heard of Ayers.

Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has said Obama was "palling around with terrorists" and referred to Ayers.
In an e-mail to reporters, the Obama campaign said Ayers is a "distinguished scholar" at the University of South Carolina, where Sanford serves as the ex-officio trustee while governor.

"By Governor Palin's standards, that means Governor Sanford shares Ayers' views," the e-mail read.

"This is a totally bogus story. I've never even heard of the guy" until this weekend, Sanford said Tuesday. "This is a guy I don't know, I've never met."

But the campaign did not back down, saying the connection in both cases is equally tenuous.

"The point is that by Sarah Palin's logic, serving on a board with someone establishes an association with them," said campaign spokeswoman Melanie Roussell. "Obama has served on the board but did not have a relationship with William Ayers. He only met him a few times.

"If her logic is to stand, it could be said that Gov. Sanford has been palling around with William Ayers," she continued.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 10/07/2008
- imfedup I'm a Fan of imfedup 42 fans permalink
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It doesn't just establish an association -- it makes him a FRIEND.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 10/08/2008
- wanj I'm a Fan of wanj 7 fans permalink

Have you guys noticed Tom Brakow has a breathing problem? My lawd! He totally butchers the Qs during the debate.... Robert Gibbs rocks! He has a great sense of humor

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 10/07/2008

Your jab at Coburn at the end was a little offside- as far as conservatives go, hes not an absolutely terrible dude... otherwise, spot on as usual jason!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 10/07/2008
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