Retirement Accounts Have Lost $2 Trillion

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | October 7, 2008 07:27 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Americans' retirement plans have lost as much as $2 trillion in the past 15 months _ about 20 percent of their value _ Congress' top budget analyst estimated Tuesday as lawmakers began investigating how turmoil in the financial industry is whittling away workers' nest eggs.

The upheaval that has engulfed financial firms and sent the stock market plummeting is also devastating people's savings, forcing families to hold off on major purchases and even delay retirement, Peter Orszag, the head of the Congressional Budget Office, told the House Education and Labor Committee.

As Congress investigates the causes and effects of the meltdown, the panel pressed economists and other analysts on how the housing, credit and other financial troubles have battered pensions and other retirement funds, which are among the most common forms of savings in the United States.

"Unlike Wall Street executives, America's families don't have a golden parachute to fall back on," said Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., the panel chairman. "It's clear that their retirement security may be one of the greatest casualties of this financial crisis."

More than half the people surveyed in an Associated Press-GfK poll taken Sept. 27-30 said they worry they will have to work longer because the value of their retirement savings has declined.

Orszag indicated the fear is well-founded. Public and private pension funds and employees' private retirement savings accounts _ like 401(k)'s _ lost about 10 percent between the middle of 2007 and the middle of this year, and lost another 10 percent just in the past three months, he estimated.

Private retirement plans may have suffered slightly more because those holdings are more heavily skewed toward stocks, Orszag added.

"Some people will delay their retirement. In particular, those on the verge of retirement may decide they can no longer afford to retire and will continue working," Orszag said.

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A new AARP study found that because of the economic downturn, one in five workers 45 and older has stopped putting money into a 401(k), IRA or other retirement savings account during the past year, and nearly one in four has increased the number of hours he works. More than one-third of these workers have considered delaying retirement, according to the study, which also found that more than half now find it difficult to pay for basic items such as food, gas and medicine.

The hearing came just as workers are receiving _ or about to receive _ their quarterly retirement savings account statements, which are likely to show disheartening drops in the value of holdings.

Jerry Bramlett, the head of BenefitStreet Inc., a retirement savings plan administration company, said there's a risk that people will overreact to the bad news by pulling their money out of the accounts, which could add to their potential losses.

"For participants with many years of retirement, a drastic abandonment of equity positions in their retirement account will only serve to lock in as-of-yet-unrealized losses. Markets do go up and down, and 401(k) participants must try to think long-term," Bramlett said.

Still, he said workers should do their best to diversify their retirement savings accounts and "perhaps consider less volatile investments."

On the heels of enacting a $700 billion market bailout, lawmakers are searching for ways to help workers who are feeling the ripple effects of the financial crisis.

"What should we be doing to try to find a way to salvage the retirement position of American workers?" said Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, an opponent of the government rescue plan. Congress, he added, "rushed to protect Wall Street in hopes that some benefits would trickle down to workers."

The massive losses have already reopened a bitter and long-running debate about what role _ if any _ the government should play in helping workers save for retirement.

Some experts argue that the hefty tax subsidies that Congress has put in place in recent decades for 401(k) and other worker-contribution accounts have made people's retirement income less secure by shifting risks, decisions and costs from employers to people who often know little about investing.

"They are fatally flawed," Teresa Ghilarducci, an economist at the New School for Social Research, said of the tax-advantaged plans. "They're too risky, and it's not good policy to have workers run their own retirement plan. They want government help."

Common mistakes workers make include overinvesting in a single stock _ often their company's _ and participating in funds that carry large fees or involve excessive risk, the witnesses said.

"You cannot tell the participants at the bottom of your fund prospectus, 'Warning: Your psychology may lead you to make irrational choices,'" said Christian E. Weller of the University of Massachusetts Boston.

The current market turmoil adds to an already difficult retirement savings picture for Americans, who are increasingly shouldering the burden of managing and funding their own company-sponsored retirement savings plans as firms eliminate traditional pensions.

Even before the recent downturn, older Americans were on track to continue working longer. Twenty-nine percent of people in their late 60s were working in 2006, up from 18 percent in 1985, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Over the next decade, the number of workers who are 55 and older is expected to increase at more than five times the rate of the overall work force, the BLS reported.

Falling home values and now the decimation of much of their savings could plunge older Americans into period of austerity not seen in decades, Miller said: "The fear factor is huge, and they don't see the availability of resources to them to get well."

Orszag said the situation has little precedent in American history.

"The period that we're experiencing is arguably the greatest collapse in confidence that we've experienced since the Great Depression," he said.

WASHINGTON — Americans' retirement plans have lost as much as $2 trillion in the past 15 months _ about 20 percent of their value _ Congress' top budget analyst estimated Tuesday as lawmakers be...
WASHINGTON — Americans' retirement plans have lost as much as $2 trillion in the past 15 months _ about 20 percent of their value _ Congress' top budget analyst estimated Tuesday as lawmakers be...
 
 

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- juangault See Profile I'm a Fan of juangault permalink

More planes, into more buildings. Eventually, maybe everything will be local, and electronic. Fewer jobs for the gorillaz in suits. You vote for republicans, you get what you pay for. Or was that you pay for your gitmo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 10/08/2008
- nezumi See Profile I'm a Fan of nezumi permalink

I think that it is certainly wrong, to expect non-financial people to make smart investment decisions, when even very smart financial people failed to do so.

Psychology plays a great role in investment decisions, and very often a bad one (actually, this is what makes finance really interesting). When advising others, I found psychology, most often a kind of herding instinct, and, but to a lesser extend, greed, to stand in the way of sound investment decisions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 10/08/2008
- scadabout See Profile I'm a Fan of scadabout permalink

I have never found a "financial person that makes smart decisions"
every single Broker we ever used, gave us BAD stock advice.
We never took their advice, but just watched the stock the Broker advised.
Every single, stock suggested, with out exception, lost badly.
We aren't allowed to invest our own retirements, but an idiot broker can!
What a SCAM, steal from the poor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 10/08/2008
- ItHasToGetBetter See Profile I'm a Fan of ItHasToGetBetter permalink

As one of the people who's lost money, I'd like to know when I'm going to get my money back. I didn't do anything wrong. Perhaps the lovely execs who've been paid millions for causing this problem can have their assets seized (like you would for a drug dealer) and have that money redistributed to those whose money they gambled and (personally won), but publicly lost. I don't want just a bunch of "hearings." I want retribution. They're stealing from my future and the future of others. They deserve payback.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 10/07/2008
- BobSF94117 See Profile I'm a Fan of BobSF94117 permalink

In rosier economic news, cat-food futures are up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 10/07/2008
- mouselion See Profile I'm a Fan of mouselion permalink

So that's what they're betting investors will be turning to for sustenance in months to come.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 10/07/2008
- Fightnmad See Profile I'm a Fan of Fightnmad permalink

Pssst. While we weren't looking, our Congress passed TWO bills in Sept '08, one of which is the well-known "Bailout" bill ("Rescue", my a$$) for over $800 Billion. What got only 1 small blip in the news (Yahoo), was S. 3001, which granted another $612.5 Billion for defense spending. S. 3001 was also a BIPARTISAN (there's that word again) effort. Sen. Russ Feingold was one of eight who voted nay: I'm guessing maybe it's because there is no time line for troop withdrawal.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r110:8:./temp/~r110RcvJgK::

$2 Trillion is chump change for the re-thugs. "Death. Destruction. Debt". should be their motto. When they talk of "golden parachutes", they're not kidding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 10/07/2008
- Fightnmad See Profile I'm a Fan of Fightnmad permalink

Here's the single article I found. Sorry about the bad link.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOF0B8GYgrBqrCPiUj0wsQcMkvhQD93DBPT82

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 10/07/2008
- mouselion See Profile I'm a Fan of mouselion permalink

What's a couple of trillion here and there?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 10/07/2008
- sandrarita See Profile I'm a Fan of sandrarita permalink

I really cannot understand how families, retirees and any American can continue to support a Republican candidate in face of the failure of Republican policies and an administration that has worked against the American middle class since it took office in 2001. I hate to see financial harm coming to old people, but those that voted for BUsh should probably be the first to suffer the consequences. Let us hope, however, that noone of the middle or working class will suffer under an Obama presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 10/07/2008
- Social_Construct See Profile I'm a Fan of Social_Construct permalink

I fear that this is a major reason that the markets are going south; there is no freakin' way that all those baby boomers could begin to retire and expect the markets to give up that cash. Most of it wasn't there or anywhere ... it did not exist except on some market financier's database. Surprise, baby boomers!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 10/07/2008
- Pragmatus See Profile I'm a Fan of Pragmatus permalink


I hope the lesson of this headline is not lost on anybody. Remember all those Republican quacks who were shouting about letting people manage the money in their Social Security accounts, instead of letting Uncle Sam do it? If they had won that argument, imagine the destition there would be today amongst the retired.

The very reason Social Security was created in the first place was to take a certain amount of money every month and set it aside for when a person retired. The impetus was all the old folks (among others) who lost everything when the stock market crashed in 1929.

Want to bet that in sixty years some Republican president starts shouting from the rooftops (as the current nimrod has) that Social Security should be privatized? People have amazingly short memories.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 10/07/2008
- Zeje See Profile I'm a Fan of Zeje permalink

The shouting has already begun. There will be no more Social Security or Medicare in the future. Poverty for all except that 2% who will be very, very, very, very rich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 10/08/2008
- FredOCal See Profile I'm a Fan of FredOCal permalink

Yup. Thank goodness Bush and Co didn't pass that garbage. The bailout will end up having much the same affect however, when soon we realize that there isn't any money left for social security.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 10/07/2008
- rich_misty See Profile I'm a Fan of rich_misty permalink

Yup the GOP had to figure out a way to hurt the elderly, they wrote derivitives on the retirement funds and sold them short to take a nice profit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 10/07/2008
- ElvisGump See Profile I'm a Fan of ElvisGump permalink

Now I don't feel so bad about not having any savings or 401k.

What I want to know if all the money is lost, where did it go? Down the memory hole, or is there somewhere we can go with pitchforks and torches and get it back?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 10/07/2008
- Zeje See Profile I'm a Fan of Zeje permalink

It went to the billionaires.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 10/08/2008
- jimme See Profile I'm a Fan of jimme permalink

What do retirement accounts matter to mccain when he's got a sugarmomma . All that matters to him is becoming Prez.....at all costs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 10/07/2008
- Imago See Profile I'm a Fan of Imago permalink

Twenty percent losses by 401(k)s since 2007. This is horrifying, and suddenly feels personal.

My folks are living on retirement money -- my father spent almost forty years working for a public university rather than raking in the big bucks in the corporate sector (he was an economics professor before he became an administrator).

He spent a lifetime committed to educating young people, and my mother spent most of her professional life volunteering for civic, cultural, and local government, because she believed in the power of community and wanted hers to be strong.

They carefully planned for retirement so they could live comfortably -- not exuberantly -- but be secure. He thought about this a lot, as his dissertation many moons ago was on individual family finance. (Debt was a four letter word in our household growing up!) But I don't know who could plan for this.

And they are much better off than many!

We must stem this tide. We must bring economic justice and balance and sanity back to this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 10/07/2008
- FredOCal See Profile I'm a Fan of FredOCal permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 10/07/2008
- Hufferton See Profile I'm a Fan of Hufferton permalink

People like your parents did everything right and with integrity.

I am doing okay also although if we lose the full faith and credit of the U.S. Government then we all fail financially and nothing we can do will change that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 10/07/2008
- kimmie69 See Profile I'm a Fan of kimmie69 permalink

WOW congress, thanks for the update. So enlightening. Now, a question for you, how is your retirement plan doing? Oh really, it is "guaranteed" by the government, that is nice to know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 10/07/2008
- instagladiator See Profile I'm a Fan of instagladiator permalink

Sure is! They wrote it and voted it in just like their pay raises, etc. because they deserve it for doing such a (coff coff) good job for the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 10/07/2008
- RStone See Profile I'm a Fan of RStone permalink

When will it hit bottom! The markets are showing no confidence in the Bush Bailout!

We cannot get him out fast enough.

http://www.boppoll.com

Obama 'o8

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 10/07/2008
- FredOCal See Profile I'm a Fan of FredOCal permalink

Obama voted for the Bush bailout. Why did he do that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 10/07/2008
- scadabout See Profile I'm a Fan of scadabout permalink

Fear

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 10/08/2008
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