Wall Street Punishment: The Insatiable Urge To Find Accountability

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First Posted: 10- 7-08 07:59 AM   |   Updated: 11- 7-08 05:12 AM

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The public urge for punishment that helped delay the passage of Washington's economic rescue plan is more than a simple case of Wall Street loathing, according to scientists who study the psychology of forgiveness and retaliation. The fury is based in instincts that have had a protective and often stabilizing effect on communities throughout human history. Small, integrated groups in particular often contain members who will stand up and -- often at significant risk to themselves -- punish cheaters, liars and freeloaders.

Scientists debate how common these citizen enforcers are, and whether an urge to punish infractions amounts to an overall gain or loss, given that it is costly for both parties. But recent research suggests that in individuals, the fairness instinct is a highly variable psychological impulse, rising and falling in response to what is happening in the world. And there is strong evidence that it hardens in times of crisis and uncertainty, like the current one.

The catch in this highly sensitive system, most researchers agree, is that it most likely evolved to inoculate small groups against invasive rogues, and not to set right the excesses of a vast and wildly diverse community like the American economy. Some experts believe that Japan's disastrous delay in bailing out its banks in the early 1990s was caused in part by a collective urge to punish corrupt bankers, and they fear a similar outcome today.

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The public urge for punishment that helped delay the passage of Washington's economic rescue plan is more than a simple case of Wall Street loathing, according to scientists who study the psychology o...
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HUMANS BEING HUMAN?

"Responsibility for the evolution of the volatile liquidity crisis lies with a coalition of disparate participants, mortals and organizations. From the White House of the late ‘90s, to Congress, banks, non-bank lenders, brokers, money market funds and borrowers, the abuse spread through all levels of society.

Although we may relish witnessing the spectacle of some of the most egregiously offensive abusers parading in front of Congress, we should remember that trillions of dollars were made, spent or put away throughout the period of the bubble’s creation.

Whether such dollars found their way to political campaigns, oceanfront mansions in the Hamptons, or Senators’ homes purchased with favorable mortgage rates, or to Toshiba for wide screen TVs, all who participated ate from the feast. That some ate more, much more than others, is basic common human nature where egos often serve the self first and best."

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 10/09/2008
- lechatnoir I'm a Fan of lechatnoir 7 fans permalink

There's an old video that says it all really, The Money Masters, should be around somewhere on the internets...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 10/09/2008
- wm1066 I'm a Fan of wm1066 29 fans permalink
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Well, we saw how alot of Nixons people escaped justice and now look at the mess they have caused!
Hadcheney been properly judged and punished he would not have been able to put us in this pickle. Had georgie not been able to skate from his responsibilities as a kid and an adult he wouldn't have put us all in harms way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 10/08/2008
- Maschine I'm a Fan of Maschine 4 fans permalink

Personally I think alot of people need to be taken out to the woodshed for this fiasco. From president on down. You gotta be kidding me, these are the people we free society's entrust our welfare to.

If they can't handle it, then perhaps we shoudldgo back to the old days and protect ourselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 10/08/2008
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Psssst! IMPEACH NOW! (Make it viral across the bloggosphere in caps so MSM picks it up. Everyday until Congress has no choice but to bring up HR 333 DENNIS KUCINICH'S BILL to impeach now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 10/09/2008

Yermammy. You are not only a witness to the decline; you are one of the victims.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 10/08/2008

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 10/07/2008
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i'm not denying that an emotional need exists to punish, an sort of urge for vengeance. however, the implication of this article suggest that the bailout bill was a necessary and positive action, and the negative response from the public was based purely on an emotional level to get back at those rogue wall street people.

this implication is false. the public outcry was not directed at wall street but our elected officials. many of us read the proposed 3 page bailout when it was made available, and even the 110 page bill, and saw it as a transparent attempt by the administration for more power and money to it's interests.
furthermore, we were outraged by the panic created by high ranking officials in order to pass the finalized 400 page version, which both the house and senate had little time to read.
the people have come to understand the principles of disaster capitalism, and we are now cautious to pass any such drastic measure with haste. and yet, despite a 300 to 1 ratio of constituents against the bill- our elected officials passed it- but not without adding an extra 140 billion in pork.

to suggest that the public response was any sort of base need for vengeance is insulting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 10/07/2008
- lechatnoir I'm a Fan of lechatnoir 7 fans permalink

Can't really blame 'em for trying to spin it. Nice try guys, but no cigar. Not for a looooooong time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 10/09/2008

Sorry, Pritzger family invented the mortgage bundle wrap, a dish sold and resold around the world.
She is (daughter) Obamas campaign money manager......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 10/07/2008
- schatsie I'm a Fan of schatsie 70 fans permalink

Fool me once, That was Iraq...
Fool me twice, That was the infrastructure collapse in New Orleans
Fool me three times and now we are really pissed!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 10/07/2008

The citizens are finally demanding accountability from their leaders---too late. The damage can not be undone. But it does serve as a history lesson. Leaders who besmirch and trample upon the Constitutional processes of governance must be brought to account by other segments of the government's leadership.
These checks and balances have failed because of the corruption of lobbyists with unlimited monies and incompetent presidents who failed to live up to their sworn duty to protect and defend the Constitution. Now we are in a heap of trouble and unparalleled peril.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 10/07/2008
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A total vortex of BUSH IT!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 10/09/2008
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 136 fans permalink
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OK, I'll translate all that gobbledegook. The Government (the lawless godlike class) have sought to distract us, by all sorts of Coliseum Games (Football, Ultimate Fighting etc). And after being led into violent invasions of different countries, our blood lust knows no bounds. Now we need Christians (CEO's) ripped apart by all assortment of wild animals- for entertainment. Where do I buy popcorn?
(nothing compares to having a front row seat to an Empire in Decline :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 10/07/2008
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IMPEACH NOW!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 10/09/2008

Why can't the someones here finally be punished? Why are we to be punished for the someones manipulating this mess? Why is it that we the poeple must have no Justice but only the reigns of pay back? The ones who say it is futile to expect justice are precisely those who are seeking to make Joe Shmo and his tiny loan in Osh Kosh, Minn. pay for this. I say CUT OFF THE HEADS OF THOSE WHO DID THIS AND THE DERIVATIVE TSUNAMI THAT IS COMING! Most of all, get rid of the Feral Reserve and Wallstreet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 10/07/2008
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Americans, the roof was on fire in 2000 when Clinton left office, and the Republicans added OIL to it. At 70% increases worldwide, and no green tech money (hyjacked by Paulison and Bush as the "mother or Christmas Presents" on the taxpayer dollar of bombardic proportions.

Like the OIL men that set OUR energy policy behind closed doors, WALL STREET EXECS are setting our incomes and stealing OUR future.

WTF is OUR CONGRESS AND SENATE? IN WHOSE POCKETS ARE THEY?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 10/09/2008
- Wiredwilly I'm a Fan of Wiredwilly 23 fans permalink

Mayer Rothschild started it in 1763

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 10/07/2008
- NewRiver I'm a Fan of NewRiver 21 fans permalink
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CRA of 77 didn't hurt either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 10/09/2008
- ktal I'm a Fan of ktal permalink

This kind of evolutionary pop psychology is utter bullshit. It reflects the beliefs and understandings of the "scientists" who make the argument, rather than any real, verifiable conclusions about human nature. Look at this sentence: "Some experts believe that Japan's disastrous delay in bailing out its banks in the early 1990s was caused in part by a collective urge to punish corrupt bankers, and they fear a similar outcome today." What experts? Come on. It's just a scare pitch to push us to approve more Bush admin bailouts of pirate corporations in the guise of an evolutionary "lesson." Bad science and worse economics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 10/07/2008
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 136 fans permalink
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Science and higher math is how they calculated all of this complication and failure. (Someone didn't carry the six :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 10/07/2008
- Subterfuge I'm a Fan of Subterfuge 17 fans permalink

"Get 'Em!: That Insatiable Urge To Punish Whoever Started This"

I bet they're hiding in Iraq!--err... Iran! No Venezuela! Russia-- RUN!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 10/07/2008
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 136 fans permalink
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I hope they try to escape to Tahiti, but make a wrong turn and land on the next island over. You know, the cannibal island :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 10/07/2008

Try Dubai

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 10/09/2008
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