Wall Street Punishment: The Insatiable Urge To Find Accountability

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First Posted: 10- 7-08 07:59 AM   |   Updated: 11- 7-08 05:12 AM

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The public urge for punishment that helped delay the passage of Washington's economic rescue plan is more than a simple case of Wall Street loathing, according to scientists who study the psychology of forgiveness and retaliation. The fury is based in instincts that have had a protective and often stabilizing effect on communities throughout human history. Small, integrated groups in particular often contain members who will stand up and -- often at significant risk to themselves -- punish cheaters, liars and freeloaders.

Scientists debate how common these citizen enforcers are, and whether an urge to punish infractions amounts to an overall gain or loss, given that it is costly for both parties. But recent research suggests that in individuals, the fairness instinct is a highly variable psychological impulse, rising and falling in response to what is happening in the world. And there is strong evidence that it hardens in times of crisis and uncertainty, like the current one.

The catch in this highly sensitive system, most researchers agree, is that it most likely evolved to inoculate small groups against invasive rogues, and not to set right the excesses of a vast and wildly diverse community like the American economy. Some experts believe that Japan's disastrous delay in bailing out its banks in the early 1990s was caused in part by a collective urge to punish corrupt bankers, and they fear a similar outcome today.

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- pfc1369 I'm a Fan of pfc1369 90 fans permalink
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What a bunch of weiners...­ugh...whin­ers!

The current set-up was set up to enrich those who have been enriched.

And continue to be enriched in the new, improved set up.

Works like a charm every time...and it's still working!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 10/07/2008
- schatsie I'm a Fan of schatsie 73 fans permalink

Shock Doctrine Naomi Klein, I have to read this book now that these egregious practices are aimed at working class Americans.­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 10/07/2008
- mellene I'm a Fan of mellene 10 fans permalink

These crimes they've committed are worse than any before them. To bring an entire world to its knees and walk away with billions of handouts from their boards and shareholders. We're doomed and I want them thrown in prision for life. It's far worse than what Enron did to us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 10/07/2008
- RStone I'm a Fan of RStone 2 fans permalink

At least get them to write us a check!

http://www.boppoll.com

Organize a Bop McSame session for the debate tonight! It is pretty easy to add a couple hundred bops to McSame!

Obama '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 10/07/2008
- Maschine I'm a Fan of Maschine 4 fans permalink

Enron, that was a walk in the park, but it was a signal. Accountants and those miserables wretches who are paid a good salary , with pension and benefits, weren't doing their jobs.

Look i have no problems with company's tryign to cheat here and there.....­but I do have a problem with those that should be carrying the big stick.

They failed,. they allowed it to happen, they ignored the warning signs, they were bought off. PRISON, better yet, death penalty, that should set the future way of bureacrats on a stright line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 10/08/2008
- NewRiver I'm a Fan of NewRiver 21 fans permalink
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So in this case, you'd be referring to Jamie Gorelick and Franklin Raines? Or do you just think those corporate criminals linked to the GOP should do the perp walk? Don't get me wrong, you do the crime you should do the time, regardless of political party...ca­n you say the same thing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 10/09/2008

More insight into Barack Obama's favorite organization ACORN's activities.

Voter fraud? Makes one wonder about Hillary Clinton's lawsuit against Obama for his dirty union voter gathering activities in Nevada, and what other activities in sabotaging voter's rights to a fair count?
He ain't no saint.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93LPR783&show_article=1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 10/07/2008
- Bettysdad I'm a Fan of Bettysdad 56 fans permalink
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Good to know you're paying attention to what's in the business section.

When you've lost everything you own, I hope you'll continue to update us on ACORN.

Via the esteemed Breitbart.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 10/07/2008

I was/am not against the bailout because I want to punish bankers.
I was against the fraudulent banking industry before this started and I recognized the bailout as more of the same.
Maybe we're all tired of being manipulated in the same ways over and over again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 10/07/2008

If you want to know who's responsible for this disaster, start off by looking no further than Chris Dodd, Barney Frank and Barack Obama and his connections to the group called ACORN. It's so amazing that the one's who caused this tragedy are the ones who are portraying themselves as heroes for signing away more of the taxpayers dollars to try and clean up a mess they were partly responsible for starting.
They are you villains they are your culprits they opposed John McCain when he tried to do something about tending to this mess years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 10/07/2008
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 10/07/2008
- RStone I'm a Fan of RStone 2 fans permalink

Bush signs the bills!

Start at the top.

http://www.boppoll.com

Obama '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 10/07/2008

Nothing is wrong with Justice, it reverberates at a very high level. Revenge, like retaliation, gets you nowhere and usually incurs a high cost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 10/07/2008
- schatsie I'm a Fan of schatsie 73 fans permalink

You know that the French eliminated a lot of people during their revolution and afterwards it was not so nice. Bonaparte was a genius with a lot of what he did, mostly to put the fear of God in the royalty and aristocrac­y..

Interesting fact is that the French did not immigrate in the 1800s, it was not so great there either..
BUT THEY DID NOT HAVE THE MASSIVE EMIGRATIONS that Germany and England had...

The French strike at the drop of a hat. Now that REAGAN killed the Unions, we no longer stand up for ourselves and THIS IS WHAT WE GET.... We have given up our pensions and jobs so Wall Street can get rich and now they want even more... RETROACTIVE INCOME TAXES ON INCOME OVER 1 MILLION...­.We need to strike hard and fast otherwise this will slip away from us!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 10/07/2008

There is absolutely no reason why the "monetary crimes" that brought on this current catastrophe can't be criminalized, in the same way that treason is a crime. Wake up! read Alexander Del Mar's History of Monetary Crimes.

This would make an excellent book review -- and if nothing else would help you understand the current crisis, which few people understand well enough to call a crime ... Here's a quote from Del Mar below:

"The insidious crime of secretly or surreptitiously altering the monetary laws of a state - than which no more dastardly or fatal blow can be dealt at its liberties - is not a new one. There is a suggestion in the decree of B.C. 360, concerning the ancient iron money of Sparta, that Gylipus was not unfamiliar with this grave offence. In a later age, Pliny, who justly calls it 'a crime against mankind,' evidently refers to that alteration of the Roman mint code by which what remained of the nummulary system of the Republic was subverted, about B.C. 200, in favor of the authorised private coinages of the gentes."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 10/07/2008
- schatsie I'm a Fan of schatsie 73 fans permalink

Yes, genocide was not a crime, hate crimes were not criminal, you are so right!

However, I do believe that the stock holders have a case for fraud with regard to the CEO compensation and benefits..­... or criminal negligence­... Buffett knew about this in 2002, the fair state of Georgia tried to stop predatory lending in 2002, but the Bushies insisted on FEDERAL POWERS,,, (just like the 2000 election, you are for state rights until you are against them, or any port in a storm)... AND About the Accountant­s,,,,where in the world were they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 10/07/2008
- KOisGod I'm a Fan of KOisGod 327 fans permalink
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luckily

There's KARMA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 10/07/2008
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I once had a Karma Ghia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 10/07/2008
- ajax2 I'm a Fan of ajax2 22 fans permalink
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The problem as some see it is that the U.S. justice system doesn't have the tools or the desire to punish white collar crime. Most times the media will assist these criminals by covering the acts with euphemisms, fraud and theft becomes cheating and speculating. I think most people now believe that we have an unaccountable criminal class running are politics and finances.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 10/07/2008
- Bobleblah1 I'm a Fan of Bobleblah1 21 fans permalink

All in due time.

Whether the crooks believe they can be touched is irrelevant.
Instinct indicates that punishment will be dealt out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 10/07/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Millions of peoples lives were negatively affected or totally destroyed by the games Wallstreet intentionally played in order to further enrich themselves under "Free Market" rules....

....forgiv­e us if you think we're being "irrational" in wanting justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 10/07/2008

the only thing wrong with your comment is that it isn't a 'free market', it is highly manipulated. No truly free market exists in a fiat currency system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 10/07/2008
- schatsie I'm a Fan of schatsie 73 fans permalink

JUST LIKE ENRON!!! and we know Phil Gramm was behind that all the way with John McCain by his side like the Lone Ranger and Tonto....o­r Dorothy and Toto, or Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid...or the guys from Mice and Men....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 10/07/2008
- Mike169 I'm a Fan of Mike169 45 fans permalink
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I'm positive it was John McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 10/07/2008
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...what? As if it were some kind of atavistic reflex to scream for Phil Gramm's head on a platter? I think calling for the jailing of Gramm and other members of Congress and the government for corruption and racketeering is the only sane response one could possibly have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 10/07/2008
- mommadona I'm a Fan of mommadona 161 fans permalink
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Watch 'em..."Boo­k 'em, Danno"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u2qRXb4xCU

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 10/07/2008
- Hufferton I'm a Fan of Hufferton 6 fans permalink

The belief expressed by some of payback by karma is nonsense and that is as bad a believing some invisible *god* will someday sit on a ‘Great White Throne’ of judgment and judge/punish these white collared crooks.

They deserve their punishment­/retributi­on now and not later through *hope* or *wishful belief* that they will get what is coming to them.

There ‘ain’t no’ karma and there ‘ain’t no’ anthropomorphic god surveying this economic crisis. There are only the rules, regulations, and laws of humankind based on our U.S. Constitution to mete out justice to those U.S. citizens responsible for the financial meltdown.

The S&L crisis was only 18-20 years ago. Are we going to assume market bailouts from corruptness every 2 decades?

We must deter others from committing these same acts forevermore.

Excellent article Mr. Carey.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 10/07/2008
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