Afghan Civilian Deaths Acknowledged By Pentagon, Officials Say 30 Killed In Strike

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PAULINE JELINEK | October 8, 2008 08:10 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — The military said Wednesday that U.S. airstrikes in Afghanistan on Aug. 22 killed 33 civilians, far more than previously acknowledged. While expressing regret, it blamed the Taliban, the targets, for taking up fighting positions near civilians.

The civilian toll of 33 compares with an original U.S. estimate of five to seven. The Afghan government and U.N. investigators claimed there were 90 civilian deaths. In a summary of its findings from a detailed investigation, Central Command said 22 militants died in the assault on a village compound intended to kill or capture an unnamed "high value individual."

U.S. Central Command spokesman Rear Adm. Greg Smith said the matter is considered closed and no disciplinary action is contemplated against anyone involved, in light of the investigation's conclusion that due diligence was exercised and there was no violation of the laws of war.

Working with the crew of an AC-130H gunship crew, the on-scene U.S. commander established positive identification of legitimate targets before ordering attacks with small arms and air power, according to the summary signed by the chief investigating officer, Brig. Gen. Michael Callan.

"Unfortunately and unknown to the U.S. and Afghan forces, the (militants) chose fighting positions in close proximity to civilians," the report said.

Of the 33 dead civilians, the U.S. investigators counted eight men, three women and 12 children. The 10 others were undetermined.

The acting commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, Lt. Gen. Martin Dempsey, asserted that despite the civilian deaths, U.S. forces involved in the attack in western Herat province acted based on credible intelligence, in self-defense and in line with their rules of engagement.

"We are deeply saddened at the loss of innocent life in Azizabad," Dempsey said. He blamed the Taliban.

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"We go to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties in Afghanistan in all our operations, but as we have seen all too often, this ruthless enemy routinely surround themselves with innocents," he said.

Central Command rejected the claims of the Afghan government and U.N. officials, saying they relied primarily on statements from villagers and limited forensics and had no access to U.S. intelligence.

"Their reports lack independent evidence to support the allegations of higher numbers of civilian casualties," the U.S. report said.

Pentagon press secretary, Geoff Morrell, said Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who was in Afghanistan last month to get briefed on U.S. military procedures for avoiding civilian casualties in airstrikes, is determined to make sure that U.S. forces operate "with more care."

At the same time, Morrell said in an e-mailed statement while traveling Wednesday with Gates in Europe, the Central Command report showed that the Taliban deliberately puts "innocent bystanders in harm's way."

The issue of civilian deaths has outraged Afghans and strained relations with foreign forces in Afghanistan to help fight the insurgency. Afghan President Hamid Karzai has warned U.S. and NATO for years that they must stop killing civilians on bombing runs against militants, saying the deaths undermine his government and the international mission.

The investigation was based on 28 interviews resulting in more than 20 hours of recorded testimony from Afghan government officials, Afghan village elders, officials from nongovernmental organizations, U.S. and Afghan service members, 236 documents and 11 videos, according to Central Command.

On Sept. 2, less than two weeks after the raid in the village of Azizabad, NATO's commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David McKiernan, issued a revised order meant to govern the tactics and procedures followed by U.S. forces when engaging in air and ground fights against the insurgents.

Several days after that, McKiernan ordered a second U.S. investigation into the deaths because pictures and video images surfaced that appeared to show 30 to 40 victims, including at least 10 dead children, laid out in a village mosque.

Zemeri Bashary, Afghanistan's Interior Ministry spokesman, said Wednesday that he had not yet seen the new U.S. report, but that the Afghan government stood by its original findings.

A joint delegation of Afghan lawmakers and local officials investigated within days of the strike and concluded that around 90 Afghan civilians, including 60 children, were killed. That finding was backed by a preliminary U.N. report.

McKiernan has said there are not enough U.S. ground forces in Afghanistan, so the military is relying more heavily on air power _ a greater risk in a conflict where insurgents don't wear uniforms and intentionally mix with the general population for protection.

In a trip to Afghanistan in mid-September, Defense Secretary Robert Gates offered the people of Afghanistan his "personal regrets" over the civilian deaths and said he would try to improve the accuracy of air operations.

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Associated Press writers Robert Burns in Washington and Jason Straziuso in Kabul, Afghanistan, contributed to this report.

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WASHINGTON — The military said Wednesday that U.S. airstrikes in Afghanistan on Aug. 22 killed 33 civilians, far more than previously acknowledged. While expressing regret, it blamed the Taliban...
WASHINGTON — The military said Wednesday that U.S. airstrikes in Afghanistan on Aug. 22 killed 33 civilians, far more than previously acknowledged. While expressing regret, it blamed the Taliban...
 
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"The new U.S. report not only raises the number of civilians killed but says fewer than 20 militants died in the operation, according to the New York Times, which first reported the new findings in Wednesday editions."

A two-to-one ratio of innocent civilians to SUSPECTED militants. One can only imagine the level of trembling, inconsolable rage the U.S. is inducing in generations of Afghans and Iraqis. Only a fool -- or a rabid neocon -- would fail to realize the potential for big-time payback in our future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 10/09/2008

Arretez le massacre!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 10/08/2008

Americans have no idea how many US soldiers or civilians have been killed over this so called war against terror Bush and McCain conjured in the Whitehouse. US Government will never tell us the statistics and one must wonder was it worth it. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfied, Rice, Powell can be seen in the light as war criminals and this is how the world sees the USA. McCain and lunatic Palin will be no good, the lesser of both evils is Obama/Biden.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 10/08/2008

Let's place the blame where it should be, on the Taliban. Should we not attack them because they hide around innocents? If not, we should leave Afghanistan now. Al-Qaeda and other Islamic terrorists have no problem using their own families and other innocent civilians as shields. They could care less if the innocents die. In fact, they prefer we kill as many civilians as they (the terrorists) can make us kill. Then they use it as propaganda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 10/08/2008

ToKinCoNseRvaTive:"In fact, they prefer we kill as many civilians as they (the terrorists) can make us kill. Then they use it as propaganda."

It's only propaganda when one Country tries to deny such situations as this one, then People from the other Country that this event/tragedy took place in can cry/scream/say fool!

Most People know that Civilians get caught/killed in Violent Conflicts/Wars, and also if you don't know already as Yourself most other People have come to accept the fact that Civilians get caught/killed in Violent Conflicts/Wars;

However just because I accept the fact that fact doesn't mean I accept Violent Conflicts & Wars!!

Obama-Biden-Democrats 08'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 10/08/2008

So you mean you conde_mn 9-11 and British train act ?! This I gotta hear. Go ahead All_in_All don't be shy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 AM on 10/09/2008
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I was disgusted to read that Mujahedeen Khalq were granted US Citizenship , but then again I remembered , they were terrorizing Iranian lives inside iraq and that s ok .

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=71190&sectionid=351020101

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 10/08/2008

There is a picture posted on the ny times web-site that shows children that were killed in the raid. it is beyond sad.....if Sarah Palin reads the Times, like she claims, she should stop spreading those lies and get a reality check.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 10/08/2008

Wrong! Gubna Palin said we shouldn't say stuff like this. We are suppose to pretend it didn't happen. Shame on you Huffpost! You obviously don't love America and you hate our troops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 10/08/2008
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Why we gave bin-Laden and Zawahiri and al-Qaeda a truce at Tora Bora and allowed them to escape is something the Democrats have never directed enough focus on or directed attention of the America people too..

That was key to the War on Terror and is why now Afghanistan is going down the tubes..!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 10/08/2008

Taliban, smartly , is selling out Al Qaeda. Attacked from P-stan and A-stan they're suing for surrender right now in Saudi Arabia. It wouldn't be surprising if Omar's reps. are not giving up Al Qaeda membership lists as we speak.

PAKISTAN TRIBES ATTACK TALIBAN Tribal volunteers in Pakistan have threatened to destroy the house of Mullah Omar. The volunteers surrounded Omar's house on Monday and also said that the homes of other Taliban supporters would be targeted.The threats are part of a crackdown on the Taliban some tribes people are launching in the Bajaur Agency. The volunteers' commander says they have 20,000 men ready to carry out the campaign and that they are not asking for any government help. Mullah Omar's representatives were keen to stress the reclusive cleric is no longer allied to Al Qaeda.
Taliban leaders are holding Saudi-brokered talks with the Afghan government to end the country's bloody conflict -- and are severing their ties with al Qaeda."
Nothing like defeat to get the mullahs to negotiate ( beg for their lives).
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2008/10/2008106102554195452.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 10/08/2008
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...just wait until the US runs out of bribe money.

Nope, no one who believes in a world of "goodies and baddies" can possibly understand that...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 10/08/2008
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Just a reminder: Taliban fighters do NOT wear uniforms. They are all civilians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 10/08/2008
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Sounds like Vietnam all over again.

SOT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 10/08/2008
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mybe we should just kill everyone and let God sort them out, huh saral23? Would that be barbaric enough for your good Republican conscience?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 10/08/2008
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Besides, if they didn't want to be bombed they could move. I mean, look at all that open space.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 10/08/2008
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Can you explain what an enemy combatant is then? You know the ones with absolutely no rights under any law .... you know, the ones who were sold to the U.S by the Northern Alliance and who were rivals to the Northern Alliance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 10/08/2008

We are talking civilians (women, children and innocent bystanders) here, not Taliban fighters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 10/08/2008

How to win friends and influence people.

This is what you get when you try and fight a counter insurgency war on the cheap. You cannot destroy the Taliban from 15,000 feet. You need boots on the ground.

Preferably Afghani boots.

I am extremely curious about this. The article states the killings occurred in Herat Province. I don't know much about the situation but my understanding was that the Taliban had most of their support from Pashtun tribal members.

As I understand it, Herat, the city, is outside Pashtun influence.

Has the war been expanded to include areas outside Pashtun influence?

Have the Taliban made inroads with other ethnic Afghans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 10/08/2008

Stupid Sarah will ignore this report and go right on calling out Obama for his treasonous insistence on using the truth about Afghanistan to formulate his policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 10/08/2008
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Shameful! As an American who is financing this genocide over the last 7 years, I am mortified. How many My Lai massacres have we committed by now? What we dont realize is that according to our philosophy and goals we will not be able to stop this evil insanity until we have killed every last man, woman and child in Afghanistan and Iraq for they are all "the enemy" trying to defend their homeland against us invaders, just like in Vietnam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 10/08/2008
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Don't forget McCain wants to add Iran to the mix.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 10/08/2008

Where are the right wing Christian pro-lifers when these stories come out?

Oh yeah...these aren't American lives. Who cares, right? Not very Christian.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 10/08/2008

When they talk about pro-life, the only life that is worth anything to them is a WASP's life

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 10/08/2008

Bush and the pro-lifers don't care about THESE kind of lives. These people see the world "different than we do" (thank you Governor Palin) so therefore they are non-lifers. See? It's simple. It reminds me somewhat of Australia during the colonial period. The catholic church wasn't sure whether it should send missionaries to save the souls of the natives because it couldn't determine whether or not the aboriginal people were human or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 10/08/2008

Our government continues to lie about the number of innocent people they kill.

I am a military veteran and I am appalled at the number of innocent lives we are destroying in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Others and I who have no control are complicit in this madness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 10/08/2008
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I am so sorry that our government did this to these innocent civilians, and to you. I have VOWED that my young sons will NOT be drafted to fight these "profiteering" wars that have been waged over the last 50 years and I don't care what I have to do to prevent this...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 10/08/2008

I know we are talking about Pakistan and not Iraq but I would like to make a comment.

I like Obama a lot, but whenever he talks about Iraq's "surplus" it makes me queasy.

I don't like it when he panders to people who think it is all right for us to invade a country, kill millions of people, destroy the infrastructure (which was already destroyed from years of sanctions and millions dead from disease and hunger) and then imply that Iraqis should pay for their own re-construction.

I think he's better than that and he should stop it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 10/08/2008

You may not like it and i may not like it but i got news. He has to in order to win a election. We are living in a new America where if you dont talk tough you aren't cut out for the job in the unwashed masses minds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 10/08/2008
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We have no more money for re-building. We can't even rebuild America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 10/08/2008

i agree.....the afghanistan and pakistan talk is mostly to show that he is tough.....
hopefully he wont actually do anything that will result in loss of innocent life....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 10/08/2008

OBAMA VOTED AGAINST THIS WAR................NOW HE HAS TO COPE WITH A WAR STARTED BY BUSH ET AL..MCCAIN.......HE HAS TO TAKE CARE OF THE SOLDIERS WHO ARE THERE....AND TO BRING THIS WAR TO A RESPONSIBLE END........NO-ONE, INCLUDING MCCAIN...HAS EVER ARTICULATED WHAT 'WINNING' IS.............MCCAIN IS STUCK IN A 40 YEAR VIETNAM FOG.....AND WANTS TO DRAG THE COUNTRY INTO THE FOG WITH HIM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 10/08/2008
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