Dow plunges 679 for 6th triple-digit loss in a row

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TIM PARADIS and MARTIN CRUTSINGER | October 9, 2008 10:48 PM EST | AP

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Traders gather at a post on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, Thursday Oct. 9, 2008. Stocks plunged in the final minutes of trading Thursday, sending the Dow Jones industrials down more than 675 points, or more than 7 percent, to their lowest level in five years after a major credit ratings agency said it was considering cutting its rating on General Motors Corp. (AP Photo/Richard Drew)

NEW YORK — A runaway train of a sell-off turned the anniversary of the stock market peak into one of the darkest days in Wall Street history Thursday, driving the Dow Jones industrials down a breathtaking 679 points and deepening a financial crisis that has defied all efforts to stop it.

Stocks lost more than 7 percent, $872 billion of investments evaporated, and the Dow fell to 8,579. When the average crashed through the 9,000 level for the first time in five years in the final hour of trading, sellers had only begun to hit the gas pedal.

As bad as the day was, even worse was the cumulative effect of a historic run of declines: The Dow suffered a triple-digit loss for the sixth day in a row, a first, and the average dropped for the seventh day in a row, a losing streak not seen since 2002.

"Right now the market is just panicked," said David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's in New York. "Nobody wants to take on any risk. Everybody just wants to get their money and put it under the mattress."

It all took place one year to the day after the Dow closed at its record high of 14,164. Since that day, frozen credit, record foreclosures, cascading job losses and outright fear have seized the market and sapped 39 percent of its value.

Paper losses for the year add up to an staggering $8.3 trillion, according to figures measured by the Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 Composite Index, which tracks 5,000 U.S.-based companies representing almost all stocks traded in America.

It was the second straight day that Wall Street was rocked by a final-hour sell-off, but this one was particularly shocking.

Most of the day was relatively calm, and the trading floor was quieter than usual because of the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur. Wall Street awoke to news the federal government was brandishing a new weapon against the financial crisis _ considering seeking an equity stake in major U.S. banks in order to stabilize them.

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But that step appeared to be as ineffectual as the others Washington has rolled out in recent weeks, including a $700 billion bailout of the financial industry, a coordinated interest rate cut by central banks around the world and direct lending by the Federal Reserve to private companies to provide them with short-term cash.

Acquiring a stake in the banks would be yet another startling intervention by the government in the free market, but economists said President Bush was left with little choice because of the credit markets, where tight lending has choked off the everyday cash that is the lifeblood of the economy.

"In normal times, this would be out of the question, but in the present dire situation, I think the government should be employing all the powers that it can," said Sung Won Sohn, an economics professor at California State University, Channel Islands.

After the closing bell, shellshocked traders and bankers gathered at Bobby Van's Steakhouse and downed beers and drinks to chase the ghastly numbers. One Wall Streeter joked things had gotten so bad that he should apply for a job as a waiter.

"It was an ugly day, there's no ways to put it," said another customer, Alan Valdes, director of floor operations for Hallard, Lyons. "Guys were frustrated, just fed up. ... We're in an area no one has been in since 1930."

Wall Street has been teetering on the brink of panic for a month now, vulnerable to any bad news. Thursday's sell-off was triggered when a major credit rating agency put General Motors Corp. and its finance affiliate under review to determine whether it should be downgraded.

Stock in GM, one of the 30 components of the Dow Jones industrials, lost 31 percent of its value and closed at $4.76 _ its lowest in more than half a century, since the Korean War began.

For the Dow, it has been nothing short of a free fall:

_The average is down 2,338 points, or 21 percent, in the last four weeks, since the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy escalated a long-running credit crunch into a full-fledged crisis.

_The point decline Thursday was the third-worst in Dow history. The worst, 778 points, came less than two weeks ago.

_Of the last 19 trading days, there have been 11 triple-digit losses _ including the unprecedented six straight. The six gains have all been triple-digits, and only one of them was enough to make up the losses of the day before.

_The Dow now stands only about 1,300 points above its lowest close of the bear market that followed 9/11. In a market as volatile as this, that gap can be closed in a couple of trading days, or less.

In fact, triple-digit declines can happen almost in an instant.

On Thursday, the Dow was above 9,200 after 1:30 p.m. and still above 9,000 after 3 p.m. The pressure to sell was so intense that the Dow kept dropping precipitously for 10 minutes after the 4 p.m. closing bell as the day's losses were tabulated.

In percentage terms, the drop in the Dow exceeded the day the markets reopened after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. It was not close to the 22.6-percent decline on Black Monday in 1987, the last stock market crash.

Still, it is becoming increasingly clear that Washington has ever fewer places to reach in its toolbox to stop, or perhaps even slow, the crisis. Among the options still left are buying up foreclosed properties and making direct loans to homeowners, both of them hard for free-market supporters to swallow.

Speaking in the afternoon before the market closed, President Bush told an audience on the South Lawn of the White House that the economy was going through a "very tough stretch." But, he said: "I'm confident in our economy's long-term prospects."

After the market closed, the White House said Americans should remain confident despite the market plunge, and Bush planned to speak from the Rose Garden on Friday morning _ though he was not expected to unveil any new policy proposals.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid asked Bush on Thursday to call an emergency meeting of the G-8 industrial nations' heads of state to address the continuing global credit freeze and instability in world markets. The G-8 comprises France, Germany, Italy, Great Britain, Japan, the United States, Canada and Russia.

In the markets Thursday, the broader stock indicators registered similar declines to the Dow's. The Standard & Poor's 500 index fell 7.6 percent to the 909 level, and the Nasdaq composite index fell 5.5 percent to 1,645.

Meanwhile, the credit markets remained stubbornly locked-up. The benchmark rate that banks charge each other for loans, known as Libor, rose to 4.75 percent from 4.52 percent a day earlier, signaling banks are still afraid to make loans because they worry they won't be paid back.

"The story is getting to be like that movie Groundhog Day," said Arthur Hogan, chief market analyst at Jefferies & Co. "Everything we're seeing is historic. The problem is historic, the solutions are historic, and unfortunately, the sell-off is historic. It's not the kind of history you want to be making."

Adding to Wall Street's nervousness, a ban on short selling _ a process in which investors borrow shares of stock and essentially bet the value will fall _ expired.

With three and a half weeks before voters elect Bush's successor, there was also no immediate comment on the Wall Street action from the presidential candidates, Democratic Sen. Barack Obama and Republican Sen. John McCain.

Earlier in the day in Dayton, Ohio, Obama took aim at McCain's plan to have the government absorb the full cost of renegotiating mortgages for borrowers under strain from the dramatic decline of the values of their homes.

McCain rolled out the idea at the second presidential debate earlier this week, a forum in which he also told voters it was important to have a steady hand in the White House during a time of economic crisis.

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AP Economics Writer Martin Crutsinger reported from Washington. Associated Press writers Tom Raum in Washington and Patrick Rizzo in New York contributed to this story.

NEW YORK — A runaway train of a sell-off turned the anniversary of the stock market peak into one of the darkest days in Wall Street history Thursday, driving the Dow Jones industrials down a br...
NEW YORK — A runaway train of a sell-off turned the anniversary of the stock market peak into one of the darkest days in Wall Street history Thursday, driving the Dow Jones industrials down a br...
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Guys, you laughed at me when I said this would happen at least 3 times after the first one. Nobody is laughing anymore. This is getting serious and scary. There isn't confidence in the markets, here or abroad, and obviously the fact the same things keep happening over and over proves we are headed for someplace very scary indeed. This is more than just a bad day on wallstreet. Something very sinnister is going on behind our backs. Bush could very easily declare martial law with this. Its not out of the realm of possibility anymore. This falls under the guidelines he created. It can be financial crisis, not just war. Should he do this before the elections? He could block them altogether. Folks, this is more than bad mortgages, this is a plot against our own people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 10/16/2008
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Pranto -- DDH

He'll usually at some point respond with ...

"yeah finally someone else smart here!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 10/10/2008
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Are you the keeper of this thread? Heh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 10/10/2008
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Fvck, is he still here? Geesh..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 10/10/2008
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I am (I hate to admit it) a bit thick when it comes to economics, but even I saw this coming. Thanks for the heads-up Greenspan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 10/10/2008
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Wow almost 700 points down on DOW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 10/10/2008
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What happened to SuzyHein? Her profile has been removed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 10/10/2008
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Now suzycolorado

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 10/10/2008
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Ahh, good. TY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 10/10/2008

It's a bit feaky when you think the dow is down 40% in one year. And it will likely go lower.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 10/10/2008
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Our sense of our worth was overinflated. The air is being let out a bit. To what we're truly worth. Buy American, that'd help. It does take a village.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 10/10/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 10/10/2008
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I won't be voting for ANYONE that voted for the bailout. You be happy to know that that means I'll vote to ditch Mitch even though I think Bruce Lunsford is repulsive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 10/10/2008
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How about not voting for anybody that voted for Gramm-Leach in 1999. Of course most of those people voted for the bailout to cover their arse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 10/10/2008

The narrative for the 15% simpleton base, Acorn, Fannie Mae and Mac, code for black people, Bill Ayres, Barnie Frank and Obama. The reality is hemorrhaging barrowed money on a preemptive trillion-dolor war, which has devalued the dolor to Peso status, which lead to $4.00 plus gasoline, which lead to the collapse of the auto companies, which need at least 5 years to re-tool.

Poor regulation of the financial markets, which led to under capitalization of investment banks, selling bad paper over and over again, making it impossible to track. Flagrant non-enforcement of ant-trust laws and regulation in place since since the New Deal, the target of the movement conservatives for the last 30 years. The neo-cons got what they wanted, a war that we can’t afford, the movement conservative Milton Friedman laissez-faire zealots got what they wanted. Massive ineffective government AKA, Supply Side economics the most flawed economic ideology ever unleashed on America, taken to its natural conclusion by George Bush.

The Great Depression which has it’s roots in Milton Friedman’s laissez-faire, neo liberalism was the result of a decade of the same abuses, remember the Roaring 20s under 2 Republican presidents, yet the mob wants simple answers, and who’s going to fix it Sarah Palin a taking point spewing Barbie doll, John MaCain a laissez-faire conservative a month ago and now Huey Long. Yes simpleton is a good description of the mob base.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 10/10/2008
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You are probably watching the demise of this website.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 10/10/2008

???? huh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 10/10/2008

HT : How so ??


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 10/10/2008
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When they allow or do not respond to warnings of virus links and screen names like C**CrustedC*** ( or basicall all of the ddh socks, people will either stop signing up or just stop coming back.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 10/10/2008

It looks like my ploy worked to get rid of the person who had that very vulgar name.
I copied and pasted their post, but separated the 3 words in their name so it went into
the "comment pending approval" moderation. There was no way for them to miss it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 10/10/2008
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I was also getting rampant with the M.O.D. over that person, already.

Thank god, it finally worked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 10/10/2008
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I did it since last night. No one seems to be at the wheel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 10/10/2008
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I criticized Henry Waxman and my comment was deleted. 5 of my comments were held up and not posted for 6 hours. they were plenty busy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 10/10/2008
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My Friends,

The World Markets are Crashing.

I know about Crashing.

I crashed 5 planes.

I know how to crash, My Friends.

I will do for the Stock Market what I did for the Jets.

I know how to do this, My Friends.

I am John McCain and I approve this message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 10/10/2008

breakingnews : Heh...

( And good morning to you... )

... On that note, I'm going to freshen - up my coffee...


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 10/10/2008

There is an editorial in our local paper(wilm., DE) about a nationwide scam going on. People who are in foreclosure are being told, "Lose your house, lose your vote"

Has anyone else heard of this? If not spread the word about this scam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 10/10/2008
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Sounds like a media created story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 10/10/2008

It is reality. I have read about it. It is something the republican party is trying to enact state by state.
I know they were pushing hard for it in MI

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 10/10/2008
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I saw something about that on CNN about 3 days ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 10/10/2008
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This was a big issue on CNN's "Situation Room" yesterday.

Yes, The Reps are trying to purge voter-lists with that scam.

There are lots of pages on the internet dealing with this topic, actually.

(Also check H.u.f.f.P.o. for more).

There's an easy way to verify such a story: If Pronto (see below) dismisses it, it must be true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 10/10/2008
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Yes. It is similar to what's happening in MI with the GOP here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 10/10/2008

We would not be in this mess if the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act had not passed in 1999.
The mortgage fiasco would not have bled over into insurance companies and other financial institutions. It would have been isolated to one sector and the monetary ramifications would have been nowhere near so severe.
The blame rests squarely on Phil Gramm, John McCain, all the republicans in the house and senate at the time as well as Billy Clin ton who could have vetoed the bill.
BTW only one dem voted for the bill--> Hollings of SC

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 10/10/2008
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Only 57 Congressmen and 8 Senators voted against the final version of Gramm-Leach. The 57 Congressmen were mostly from the Congressional Black Caucus. The 8 Senators were all Dems except Richard Shelby Republican from Alabama. John McCain did not vote on the final version of the bill.

McConnell, Reid, Pelosi, Boehner, Dodd, Schumer all voted for the bill.

In a nutshell, Gramm-Leach-Bliley of 1999 allowed the banks to do whatever they wanted except underwrite insurance as long as they expanded sub prime lending at the same time. Take of your partisan hat for a minute.......This is a failure of the political system, not the fault of any one party. There has to be a fundamental change in the way Congress considers and writes legislation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 10/10/2008

Bush thretened house and senate with martial law if they didn't vote his way. he wasnt' kidding. If this goes back to the tables, yet again, this time, it wont be a threat, it will be the announcement we all have dreaded, another 4 years of the bush white house. Time to clean house and senate. Its the only way the public will get a fair shake. Guys, its not a matter of can they, its a matter of do it already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 10/16/2008
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My Friends the Surge is working, I will send General Petraeus to Wall Street to do exactly what he did in Iraq and defeat the insurgency on Wall Street... My Friends I know how to fix wall Street Obama does not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 10/10/2008
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lol, good one

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