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First Posted: 10- 9-08 08:39 PM   |   Updated: 11- 9-08 05:12 AM

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Everyone wants the media to "talk about the issues." But it's rare to see a reporter provide a deep and intricate dive into a particular issue or policy proposal with any degree of real expertise. Take the issue of health care. The press has typically tipped off the public to the facts that there are foundational differences between the health care policies of Barack Obama and John McCain. We're also made aware of the "Cliff's Notes" snapshot of each plan. Yet, in the debate the other day, each man said the other man's healthcare plan wouldn't work, to which the second responded to the first that it wasn't true. Wouldn't it be great if one could find out what everyone was talking about?

Over at Swampland, Ana Marie Cox has done what many of her commenters are calling a "public service," by subjecting John McCain's healthcare plan to up close, nuts and bolts scrutiny. Not from a reporter. Not from a campaign surrogate. But from an actuary. (Specifically, her father. A real live actuary.) In part, here's what Samuel H. Cox says about the plan:

Most Americans with health insurance get it through an employer and those folks are relatively happy with it. Employers are not happy with it generally and would like to get away from providing it. The government allows companies to deduct health care expenses from income and does not count the cost of health benefits as income to the employee. In effect it is a way of paying employees tax free income, as long as it goes to heath care. (Originally this was a way to work around the WWII freeze on ordinary wages.) McCain's proposal does away with this setup, making the heath care benefit taxable income. On average that is $12,000 per year for a family of four. If a family continues in an employer program it will pay an additional tax. If they are in the 25% bracket (say $75000 income) then they pay an additional $3000 in taxes. An individual in an employer plan with health benefits of about $6000 so will pay an additional $1500 in taxes.


McCain's proposal gives individuals a $2500 tax credit so the net for an individual is a tax credit of $1000. For a family with two persons filing, they get a tax credit of $5000, so get a net $2000 credit they can use to off set other taxes. (Actually it is not clear on this; maybe you do not get an offset.) So far it looks good for those who that already have health care through an employer. However, the costs are escalating faster than overall price inflation, so unless the tax credits are indexed to heath care costs, the advantage will disappear in a few years. While this aspect looks good now (for those who have and can continue with employer coverage), that may change without indexing. The proposal says nothing about indexing.

There's two takeaways from this analysis (and there's more to be had than just what I've cited...do indulge). First of all: when Obama says that McCain's plan extends a tax break with one hand and then takes it back with the other, this is technically true. BUT! At the same time, those who qualify for these tax break do, nevertheless, receive a net benefit in tax relief. BIGGER BUT! No one knows if these breaks and cuts and take-backs are indexed to future increases in health care costs. McCain is probably glossing over the fact that he knows this. Perhaps Obama isn't hitting McCain on this score because the math that underpins his own healthcare plan is similarly unindexed.

Actually, there's a third takeaway. Why can't there be more reporting like this? I'm not suggesting that we replace all the pretty political reporters with actuaries, but in looking over this health care issue, it seems we have a classic example of those who know more not telling, those who would tell more not knowing, and campaign press serving as stenographers for all the not-telling knowers and not-knowing tellers. If you read the post, you'll see that Samuel Cox is willing to provide a thorough disclaimer, attesting to both his expertise and his limitations. When was the last time a reporter took the time to stipulate to their precise expertise, or otherwise admit they don't know enough about a topic to discuss it (Ana Marie's own admission in this post is pretty unique in this regard. Must be a blogger thing.)

There are reporters out there who specialize in health care, who specialize in education, who specialize in regional foreign policy, technology, the environment. Their sort of reporting is not sexy or sensational and it doesn't speak to matters that the traditional media find important, like, for example: "YYYAGAGAGAAGHHH! BILL AYERS!!! BOOOOOGAAHHH!" But, don't you have a clearer idea about McCain's health care plan? Wouldn't you like the same sort of scrutiny applied to Obama's? Maybe it's time for some of the unsung experts to trade places with some of the campaign reporters we know and love. Hey! I know one guy who's ready to pack it in!

Everyone wants the media to "talk about the issues." But it's rare to see a reporter provide a deep and intricate dive into a particular issue or policy proposal with any degree of real expertise. T...
Everyone wants the media to "talk about the issues." But it's rare to see a reporter provide a deep and intricate dive into a particular issue or policy proposal with any degree of real expertise. T...
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10:30 PM on 10/12/2008
FAMILY OF SIX

How does McCain's health insurance plan work for a family of 6? Can someone please figure this out and reply to this posting. Thank you.
09:33 PM on 10/10/2008
There is a much bigger BUT. The analysis assumes you can keep your employer-based insurance AND get the $5,000 credit. BUT this does not appear to be the case. Accounts of the system reach different conclusions. Three possibilities: 1) I KEEP MY INSURANCE AND GET CREDIT. But this would be a double-dip for me and would defeat McCain's goal of reducing the role of employment-based insurance. In this scenario I would actually make money, as would anyone in my bracket. So not revenue-neutral. 2) I KEEP MY INSURANCE AND GET TAX CREDIT EQUAL TO THE AMOUNT I PAY TOWARD THE INSURANCE PLAN. That is, if my plan requires $7,500/year, I get a $5,000 tax credit; if I only pay $1,500, my credit would be $1,500. In this scenario, I pay about $500 more tax. 3) TO CLAIM THE TAX CREDIT, I MUST OPT OUT OF EMPLOYER'S INSURANCE AND BUY A PRIVATE PLAN. To me this is the plain meaning of what I see on the McCain site. In this scenario, my taxes would not increase, but the credit would not fully pay for insurance. And keep in mind two things we know for sure about the McCain plan. First, he needs to raise enough money to pay for the credit (which seems to rule out scenario 1). Second, the credit is paid directly to the insurer, which only makes sense in scenarios 2 and 3.

Anyone with a good explanation?
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Decipherer
Objects may be closer than they appear
03:05 PM on 10/10/2008
As far as the country is concerned, I suppose Sarah Palin is McCain's health care plan for the treatment of his Stage 3 melanoma. Good call, John.
02:37 PM on 10/10/2008
IMAGINE: If every American simply cancelled their health insurance (and supplements) all at once, and we instead went to a cash based health care system. EVERY single health care provider, including private practice, doctor, nurse would go ballistic. The health care industry would collapse due to lack of funds.

NOW IMAGINE: If every American was provided preventative care, health care, and health education. We would ALL be paying less, get BETTER care, return to WORK faster, be a HEALTHIER nation, and in turn be able to raise our country up as a proud symbol of what a people can do when working TOGETHER instead of splitting apart.

RELIGION has broken the last bone in our country's body by perverting politics into a US versus THEM game of monopoly. Religious ideologies never had a place, should not have a place, and hopefully someday WILL NOT HAVE A PLACE IN GOVERNMENT. Get your GOD out of my government, state capital, local government, and all of our politics.

If you are so happy being a worshipper of Jesus Christ, then have YOUR leaders start acting like CHRISTIANS instead of DEVILS.
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lwilkerson50
01:04 PM on 10/10/2008
All you have to do is pull up the information on the Afghanistan statement and see the whole thing - and yet he only states part of it.
I need everyone Dem and Rep to go online and check out any statements that are being made. Yes I am saying Dems also, becasue everything needs to be checked out. Oh by the way the health plan that McSalin are introducing will cost you money. Look at this way:
Has your job ever said "We will reimburse you for your classes (maybe books?)?" You take the class, submit justifcation. They give to you in payroll and guess what -- it increases your income, and you are taxed on a higher amount (reg pay $30K x (2 classes (2x$700=$1400) = $38,400.00). Answer - You just got cheated out of some of your reimbursement because you are being taxed.
To you math wiz - If this is wrong - let us know - this is the closest scenario that I could think of..
The other thing is, I live in a metropolitan area and I am able to go across state lines. I think that unless you are in an HMO you may not be able to go too far, but again even with that I am able to go into the surrounding metro area, which includes three to four states.
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donklinestiver
Country doctor for 48 yrs
12:53 PM on 10/10/2008
Even the Medical Profession is for Universal Health Care by a weak majority. As a country doctor have felt the need for years. I see children with MRSA (antibiotic resistant staph infection) not getting to the doctor on time and patients with cancer reaching fatal stages before finding a physician due to no insurance. It uncivilized, its unamerican, its inhumane..
11:54 AM on 10/10/2008
This column is right on. We get millions of words a day, generally repeating and passing along the same pieces of gossipy stuff. I know, bad news moves better than good news. But sometimes we the people should get what we need, not what we want.

Real beat reporters, real experts examining and reporting the holes in different plans are exactly what we need. Give us "Harpers Index" boxes with the bare comparisons, but paste them in the center of a real articles that are a help, not just an expose.
11:51 AM on 10/10/2008
health plan???
McCain the fake POW (pound puppy), where are your POW records? (hidden) where are your HEALTH records?
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LetMeUnderstandThis
12:34 PM on 10/10/2008
A lot of what he did as a POW is in the hands of the Vietnamese, and also there are items (to understanding) in a museum there.
sonoffestus
Got smart & got out!
11:37 AM on 10/10/2008
Universal healthcare Insurance is the only thing that will move you into the 20th century. Yes, I said and mean 20th century. The world is passing you by.

To vote for McCain is INSANE! If you are undecided, you're just plain STUPID. Go OBAMA/BIDEN!
11:35 AM on 10/10/2008
One of the best analysis I've read. Thank you for the enlightenment. We all could use some analysis on these policies from such people as actuaries so we are informed and can vote appropriately. Thank you!
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booker52
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11:29 AM on 10/10/2008
The McCain plan is just to win, to hell with us the American public. To hell with what we need. No plan for us on the economy, no working plan for healthcare, no working plan for those with arm that is adjusting. No working plan period except to incite hate at their rallies. Losers!!!! Coward would decribe Sen McCain,leaving it to the woman to talk trash about Sen Obama.
11:18 AM on 10/10/2008
If McSicko is elected, millions of people who today have medical insurance will have NONE.

Their employer provided insurance will be dropped and they will not be able to buy insurance because of a pre-existing condition. Even if the condition has been cured.

When individual people are buying insurance instead of being in a GROUP, insurance companies cherry pick the applicants.
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susierr
10:20 AM on 10/10/2008
I will be 55 in November, I work full time and my employer provides Medical Mutual, it covers me and my son who just turned 19 and attends community college using FAFSA.

Things are very slow here at work (obviously I have time to write this) and if I lost my job, my son & I are both OUT of medical insurance coverage! Not good.

ALSO, if my son decides to take a break from community college and work for a year, (and return to college later) he will automatically be dropped from my employer medical insurance coverage.

Neither of us can afford to purchase private insurance for him or me if I lost my job.

I do not see anything in McCain's bill that would help us in this situation, and I think I speak for many families.

OBAMA 08
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03:22 PM on 10/10/2008
My daughter was on my health care plan until she graduated this May. Her job had no benefits and I wasn' able to keep her on mine.
Unfortunately, she had a health emergency and now we are in debt up to our ears with bills. She got her first teaching job but still these bills are overwhelming her and my husband and I. She tried to get help from our state and they basically told her unless she's pregnant they can't help her.

As Obama said, all those in the government are more than happy to accept government funded health care. We are supposedly the government aren't we?
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susierr
09:51 AM on 10/10/2008
OBAMA 08

Please people, help - continue to volunteer, donate money to this cause.

OBAMA MUST WIN!
08:07 AM on 10/10/2008
Mr. Cox is also making the point that the tax-free status means employers offer hiring incentives of $6000 in health insurance for the cost of $4500 additional salary (plus $1500 taxes). $6000 clearly more attractive to prospective employees than $4500, employers look better at no cost offering health plans

Absent the tax break its $4500 health (+$1500 taxes) vs $4500 salary (+$1500 taxes.) There's no advantage to the employer offering health plans. The employer will simply (at best) offer an additional $4500 salary, avoid all the extra paperwork and admin. costs of maintaining a health plan, and the employee can use the money to buy health insurance, or not, as they please.

If the individual credit nets the employee an additional $1000 the employer may even offer only $3500 extra and effectively pocket the difference themselves. In an uncompetitive job market an employer might simply drop health coverage and offer NOTHING to employees pocketing the entire $6000. Then ALL the employee would have would be a $5000 credit replacing a $6000 benefit for a LOSS of $1000. And that IGNORES the cost of switching from a group plan to a MUCH more expensive individual plan (if you can get one) unless you join another group.

McCain's plan would end employer sponsored health coverage. There would be no reason for employers to offer it, numerous savings to the employer who stopped and no way to ensure that ANY savings to employers were passed on to employees.
11:15 AM on 10/10/2008
More likely is people would lose their health coverage AND see no increase in their salary.

Employers have been on a race to $0/hr for years now (anyone's job been outsourced lately?) and this would be an easy way for everyone to drop their expenses at the same time.