Working Class White Voters Are Ditching McCain

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KIMBERLY HEFLING | October 10, 2008 10:26 AM EST | AP

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Georgia Lutz, right, sits with Darryl Hendon on the stoop outside their home in Beaver Falls, Pa. Thursday, Oct. 9, 2008. Lutz said she's voting for Obama, as did Hendon, 50, both Democrats. Hendon said he thinks some white Democrats in the region are reluctant to back Obama simply because of his race. (AP Photo/Keith Srakocic)

KITTANNING, Pa. — The steel mills and coal mines of western Pennsylvania helped fuel the nation's economic engine. Today, old factory shells and boarded-up storefronts stand as bleak reminders of those once-prosperous times.

But the voters in working-class enclaves such as this still are a sought-after prize in presidential politics, and many are belatedly backing Democratic nominee Barack Obama.

In the Democratic primaries, working-class whites consistently supported Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Later polls showed them overwhelmingly favoring Republican nominee John McCain.

Now, driven by fears that their personal finances could further deteriorate, many see Obama as the better choice _ their thinking in some cases driven more by concern about how McCain would handle the economy than any growing admiration for his rival.

"I don't know that there's anything I particularly like about him (Obama), but I dislike McCain, and I dislike the way the country is, and Republicans need to change," said lifelong Republican Ruth Ann Michel, 64, a retiree shopping in a market in Butler on a recent day. She said her vote for Obama would be her first for a Democratic presidential candidate.

While talk in these parts is mostly about the economy, a prominent _ if not unspoken subtext _ is race. A study of the impact of racial attitudes on the election conducted by The Associated Press with Yahoo News and Stanford University found that whites without a college education were much more likely to hold negative views of blacks than those with a college education.

Democratic Gov. Ed Rendell says a drowning man doesn't care what color the person is who throws him a life preserver.

"This election is going to be decided when a husband and wife sit at a kitchen table, or a single parent sits at the kitchen table, looks at their bills and figures out who is most likely to help them with their financial condition," Rendell said. "If the answer's Barack Obama, nobody's going to care whether he's black, green, orange, purple, fuchsia or whatever."

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In April, Rendell backed Clinton in the primary and had to answer questions after saying some whites in his state were likely to vote against Obama because of his race.

Darryl Hendon, 50, of Beaver Falls, who is black and on disability, said he thinks some white Democrats are reluctant to back Obama because of his race.

Since early September, growing numbers of whites who have not finished college have been expressing the view that Obama cares about people like them, even as fewer say so about McCain, according to AP-GfK polling.

In early September, McCain had a 26-point advantage among white voters without a college degree who were likely to vote, according to the poll. But by late September, the advantage had dropped to 7 points, with McCain leading 46 percent to 39 percent among this group.

For Obama, that's far better than Democrats have done in recent presidential elections. President Bush carried whites who haven't finished college by 23 points in 2004 and by 17 points in 2000.

In Pennsylvania, a recent Quinnipiac University poll showed Obama with a double-digit lead over McCain, compared with a close race after the political conventions. Clay Richards, a Quinnipiac pollster, said that's because support among working-class voters in the state is growing, and he suspects many former Clinton supporters are moving to Obama's camp.

The candidates' campaign schedules make clear the importance they attach to Pennsylvania's working-class voters.

McCain and running mate Sarah Palin staged a rally Wednesday in the former steel town of Bethlehem in northeast Pennsylvania. On Friday, Palin was stopping in Pittsburgh, then heading for Johnstown in western Pennsylvania, where unemployment recently topped 7 percent. The self-described hockey mom planned to drop the ceremonial first puck when the Philadelphia Flyers open their season against the New York Rangers on Saturday.

Obama, for his part, will be in Philadelphia on Saturday. And on Sunday, his running mate, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, will be joined in his blue-collar hometown of Scranton by Clinton and her husband, former President Clinton.

In western Pennsylvania, Republican and Democratic voters alike tend to be socially conservative, pro-gun and anti-abortion rights. Many are so-called Reagan Democrats willing to vote for a Republican because of social issues.

While some pockets in this region have recovered and flourished after hard times in the 1980s, many never did. Populations have dwindled and many of those left are elderly.

"The ones who can get a good education ... they leave, which I don't blame them because there's nothing here, really," said Georgia Lutz, 55, who was eating breakfast at a diner in Beaver Falls recently with Hendon. "The economy is absolutely horrible and we're going into a depression right now."

The working-class vote is particularly important in the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio, where the percentage of adults without a college degree ranks exceeds the national average.

They also are a key voting bloc because those personally affected by the current economic woes appear to be among the more persuadable voters, according to a recent AP-Yahoo News poll. Among them is Michelle Smith, 41, who works retail during the day at a surplus shop in Kittanning and tends bar at night. Combined, she and her husband have six kids.

"Decent working families can't survive. It's very sad," Smith said. "They raised minimum wage, but now you're paying triple in gas to get to work. It evens itself out."

A Democrat, Smith said she's leaning toward McCain. While she said she likes Obama on a personal level, she wonders if Obama has what it takes to fix the economy.

Obama's already won over Don Melochick, 58, a construction worker from Whitehall, Pa., in northeast Pennsylvania. A registered Democrat who's voted Republican in the past, Melochick said he plans to vote for Obama because he's "somewhat better" than McCain.

If McCain "hasn't changed nothing in his 30 years ... he's not going to change anything now," Melochick said, from the counter of a diner outside Philadelphia. But he adds: "I don't think Obama will either."

KITTANNING, Pa. — The steel mills and coal mines of western Pennsylvania helped fuel the nation's economic engine. Today, old factory shells and boarded-up storefronts stand as bleak reminders o...
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- 23e45 I'm a Fan of 23e45 5 fans permalink

I guess that now she has buttons without McCains name on them.
What happend to McCain is he no longer in the race? Who will her running mate be?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 10/11/2008

My own working-class, white father, now living in rural upstate New York, voted for these nefarious "trickle down" characters over and over since 1980, in spite of the toll their policies have taken on him economically. But you see, to him, Ronald Reagan seemed like an amiable father, and George W. seems like a righteous guy you'd - UGH! - want to have a beer with. John McCain seems like the grumpy but brave grandfather he wished he'd had, and finally, Sarah Palin, appears as the snappy, clear-eyed, baby-making machine he perhaps fantasized his mother was. Yes, that all made people like my father feel emotionally secure... even as they were filling out their bankruptcy papers and paying taxes through the nose. Maybe, though, just maybe - the bad dream is over.
Peter Loffredo
http://fullpermissionliving.blogspot.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 10/14/2008
- 23e45 I'm a Fan of 23e45 5 fans permalink

I was over at Cafepress.com and was looking at there buttons and I hope this is a mistake.......

http://buttons.cafepress.com/design/29917105

or maybe not.
I see Vote for Palin but I don't McCains name on some of those buttons.
Palin 08

Is she trying to hijack his election now? hmmmm I wonder

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 10/11/2008

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 10/11/2008
- invisible I'm a Fan of invisible 3 fans permalink

We've heard they won't vote for him because of his race. When will ONE journalist follow up and ask WHY?!?!? What about his race? Do you think he'll go anti-white when he's half white? Do you think he's dumb when he went to Harvard? Will someone PLEASE DIG DEEPER INTO THIS and get to the bottom of it?!?!?? We're STILL not dealing with this and it's frustrating! Get below the surface so we can move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 10/10/2008

The economic meltdown we're currently undergoing is the fruit of 25 years of neoconservative mismanagement of our economy. I guess we're about to find out just how many of the New Deal safety nets still exist, because we'll need them. I guess these folks just need to be hit in the side of the head with a board to realize they've been voting against their own self interest for years and years and years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 10/10/2008

Rendell is kinder than McCain and Palin in that he said when you are drowning, you don't care about the skin color of the person who throws you a lifesaver. Well, he should have said, while "that one", presumely black, throws them a life server, the other, white, man just goes around saying "who is he?" without doing anything to save the drowning man! McCAIN AND PALIN: PLEASE PUT OUR COUNTRY FIRST BEFORE YOUR AMBITION TO WIN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 10/10/2008

When I didn't vote for Al Gore or John Kerry, I thought - the Democrats, and the country, need some time in the "wilderness." Many of my friends thought this was reckless of me, what with the wars, corruption, financial debacles, and horror show the Bush-Cheney years have wrought, but I say - it could have been even worse if we had eight years of wimpy Democrats deadlocked with greedy, psychopathic right wingers, only to arrive at 2008 without a clear mandate to throw them all out. Maybe now, we're ready to take a quantum leap towards a more enlightened future. Just maybe.
Peter Loffredo
http://fullpermissionliving.blogspot.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 10/10/2008

When the investment of labor and money by the bottom of the pyramid ends up in the control and ownership of the top 2%, the pyramid collapses. This was taught in economics classes in 1942. This is the reason a Capitalistic Society cannot survive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 10/10/2008

Like a Big ol' Ponzi Scheme. And now Obama and other centrists are going to have to save capitalism from itself just like FDR had to, with the shrieks and protests of the Right Wing blaring from all directions, even as it's primarily their A-$-$es he's saving.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 10/10/2008
- RRG64 I'm a Fan of RRG64 51 fans permalink
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It`s about time we read something like this. Some of these people really need deprogramming from the trash that has been tube-fed over the last 30-40 years.

NEW MEDIA OUTLETS that tell it like it is.

When are we going to see the Huffington News Channel? or Something Similiar? GO!:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 10/10/2008
- edwarvir I'm a Fan of edwarvir 36 fans permalink

It is not good for our country when we are talking
about race more than the real issues. The issue
is my 401k plan which as of today has turned into a 101k
whatever. It's certainly not what I planned. I don't
want to hear a word out of gramppies mouth.
He has no plans for this country. He sprews nonsense
and none of it pays for rent., a tank of gas or buys
any food for me and my family.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 10/10/2008
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Politcs of distraction. It's worked quite well the last 8 years, he figures it'll work again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 10/10/2008

As I see it, there are two types of issues going on right now - Policy and people.

The policy issues are the big ones that we are facing now: deregulation, devaluing of the dollar, huge corporate loopholes that were never closed (Enron).

Then you have the people issues - gay rights, abortion, racism,etc.

The republicans love to look at the world through mi-optic, people-issue lens. The problem is that its the POLICY ISSUES that will destroy this country. You can always go back and "fix" a people issue, but once you destroy the economy, rob the coffers, and plunge us into a depression - you ride that road for a VERY long time - generations worth.

McCain has no answer for the big policy-issue problems, because he helped create them.

The other thing that I cannot understand is people who say they are Reagan republican and that's why they vote repub. These people need to wake up and realize that their party of today in no way, shape or form represents what once existed. They also need to realize that the "liberal" democrats of today are more reflective of what a Reagan republican stood for.

Time to let go of the past and rubber stamping labels on a party. Look at the individual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 10/10/2008
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they use what you call people issues to try and distract and divide us. they made a big deal about flag burning and same-sex marriages before the elections in 2006 and look what happened.

Here's to having that trend continue.

I'm with you, to a point, but 7 years of lockstep voting makes me very wary of any republican. Yet after that same 7 years I wonder what happened to the party I (thought I) knew.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 10/10/2008

If a working class white is trapped in a burning building and a black fireman is there to rescue him, is he really going to refuse help because the fireman is black?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 10/10/2008

Amen! It's like the white fool who denies a life saving blood transfusion because he doesn't want "black" blood in them. All of this is just a throw back to the kind of dangerous ignorance we saw in the "Dark Ages" -- where ignorance, prejudice & superstition ruled the world and we died off by the millions because we burned cats who ate the rodents which carried the fleas that harbored the plague.
Renaissance anyone? Obama-Biden 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 10/10/2008
- XME I'm a Fan of XME 26 fans permalink
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Most will accept the help. The sad thing is that there ARE some people who'd sooner die than accept help from a black person...though I do think people who are that full-blown racist are fewer in numbers every year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 10/11/2008

well i guess both parties have some accounting to do then . but lets take reagan for example . republicans take all the glory for the downfall of the soviet union when in fact it was ...1 . the afghan war which we are involved in now , and 2 . the chernobyl melt down which caused the financial collapse of the soviet . and 3 the market for their radioactive crops . we could go on all day about who is right or wrong . but face the facts . black or white ....obama is the smartest man to run for president in at least eight years.............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 10/10/2008
- DS1Roger I'm a Fan of DS1Roger 3 fans permalink

Looking back into history. I realize that isn't a popular subject here.
When Carter got in office remember how well he performed under the gas crisis?
His application of the military force was so good Iran took hostages for 444 some odd days.
Inflation was sky high. The liberal approach was not the solution to the problem then and will probably bring the same results this time.
Why when everyone places blame on this money meltdown is it focused on Bush instead of the actual crooks? Why isn't anyone trying to collect the money that got away? How can Congress under Pelosi maintain it wasn't their fault? How much progress on the economy has been made since the Dems are in control of Congress? They got all of the funding they asked for apparently.
The ultimate source of this problem is career politicians that care more for their pet projects than real progress.
Another matter take Obamas historical data.Much of his interesting records seem to be off limits. Remember the uproar about Cheneys keeping some data under wraps? No such interest about this info.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 10/10/2008
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"Why when everyone places blame on this money meltdown is it focused on Bush.."

Because he's been in charge for the last eight years and his party had the senate for 6 of 'em.

Your myopia is hilarious. While you're looking back, blaming the "liberals" and the "democrats", don't forget McCain, the "career politician" promoting deregulation for most of his history and now he's suddenly...changed his mind?

Yeah, that's the ticket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 10/10/2008
- DS1Roger I'm a Fan of DS1Roger 3 fans permalink

Fun and games for all!
How much profit did the government get from cutting back military funding, the selling of military bases?
Our lack of a historical perspective prevents us from seeing this pattern.
The normal progression has been built up the military under the Republicans. Take care of the issue at hand. Then Democrats come in and reduce and cut back on it. Then a problem erupts and we have to rebuild. Over and over.
You are correct about Mcain being in office for a long length of time. Is he the only one in Congress with that long a service? We have all to many representatives of all parties that have been in office way to long.
My perspective, slanted though it may be is tired of listening to both of the candidates platitudes and giveaways. They aren't talking about stopping the problem only finding new ways to throw our money at it.
I would like to start a new party to throw all of the bums out of office! We at least deserve the right to replace this round of crooks with a new bunch!
I like you reserve my rights to be foolish! We can respectfully disagree without being disagreeable.
;')

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 10/10/2008

Compare the Clinton adminstration with the Bush administration.

Under Clinton the standard of living of working people was rising and we went from deficits to surpluses.

Under Bush the standard of living of workers went down while the rich got richer and we went from surpluses to deficits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 10/10/2008

DS1Roger:

Valid criticisms of Obama, perhaps. But we've had Conservative, and often-times Right Wing control of our economy for quite some time now, including the Clinton-NAFTA years. How again, is that working out for us?

Do you really want to put current leadership up to Reagan's famous question to Americans about being better off? Really?

The burial of Soviet Communism might not be the only big burial we get to see here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 10/10/2008

It is the deregulate everything, the government is not the solution, it is the problem, philosophy, as practiced by the Republicans, that caused the meltdown of the financial system. And Ronald Reagan was the one who started the process that has lead to this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 10/10/2008

Congress under Pelosi holds a roaring majority of ONE, facing repub obstructionism that is as flamingly rabid as mccain's rallys!
cheney is not withholding "some data", he is concealing lies, criminal activity, and fraud, and is doing it by the truckload! Nothing "some" about it. Stop being foolish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 10/10/2008
- AKAchip I'm a Fan of AKAchip 7 fans permalink

what pray tell is the Liberal approach??? Carter did the best he could- not one of the best on foreign policy. But look at Bill Clinton- the country was booming. A 401 k was worth something and families could afford to send their kids to college and save some money to boot. Get over it. Bush and McCain and the "deregulate at any cost" attitude is what got us in this mess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 10/10/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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In case you haven't figured it out -
When Republicans say "Country First"-
They're talking about China

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 10/10/2008

McCain is from the school of thought that believes the people exist to provide security for their armed forces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 10/10/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Now, why in the world would working-class whites be moving away from McBanker?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 10/10/2008

and Lady Baroness von Lagerglassen who wears a $300,000 outfit while she calls someone else 'elitist'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 10/10/2008

Working class whites are finally waking up to the fact that the Republican's economic program is to reallocate income and wealth upward from the working people and the poor to the haves and have mores.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 10/10/2008

Briefly, perhaps...but I think we'll have to be hurt alot worse (I am working class White, with smattering of education) before we rediscover the activism and self-preservation instincts of our grandparents. I do not think Blue Collar whites are there yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 10/10/2008
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